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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:04 PM Mar 2012

Grrrrrrrrrr: Scalia Rewrites History - Claims 5-4 Bush v Gore Decision - ‘Wasn’t Even Close'

At the end of the speech, Scalia took questions from the audience. One person asked about the Bush-Gore case, where the Supreme Court had to determine the winner of the election.

“Get over it,” Scalia said of the controversy surrounding it, to laughter from the audience.“

Scalia reminded the audience it was Gore who took the election to court, and the election was going to be decided in a court anyway—either the Florida Supreme Court or the U.S. Supreme Court.

It was a long time ago, people forget…It was a 7-2 decision. It wasn’t even close,” he said.


Bush v. Gore was not a 7-2 decision — and indeed, Scalia could tell this is true by counting all four of the dissenting opinions in that case. Although it is true that the four dissenters divided on how the Florida recount should proceed — two believed there should be a statewide recount of all Florida voters while two others believed a narrower recount would be acceptable — not one of the Court’s four moderates agreed with Scalia that the winner of the 2000 presidential election should effectively be chosen by five most conservative members of the Supreme Court of the United States.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/09/441313/scalia-rewrites-history-claims-5-4-bush-v-gore-decision-wasnt-even-close/
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Grrrrrrrrrr: Scalia Rewrites History - Claims 5-4 Bush v Gore Decision - ‘Wasn’t Even Close' (Original Post) kpete Mar 2012 OP
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2012 #1
Speaking of P-resident wonder what he is doing these days Giantsfootball10 Mar 2012 #93
The last I heard, he was sucking at whatever he's doing. n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #94
He's not where he should be (if there was any actual justice in America). Solly Mack Mar 2012 #96
He sold the place in Crawford ASAP. harmonicon Mar 2012 #105
how nice, the students invites him to their school and he lies to them Enrique Mar 2012 #2
Hey, Scalia! Vaffanculo! sakabatou Mar 2012 #3
And you thought billybob537 Mar 2012 #4
The name " Bush v Gore " tells us Bush filed the case. How stupid does he think we are? nt Vincardog Mar 2012 #5
Exactly. Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #25
Impeach him for Lying. bahrbearian Mar 2012 #30
I believe he was saying Gore was the first to the judicial branch jeff47 Mar 2012 #34
Yes, jeff47. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #62
The very first legal filing in a Florida court was filed by the Republicans Samantha Mar 2012 #66
I was going to point that out, as well. Fawke Em Mar 2012 #73
Gore followed Florida state law, which is where this case should have remained, Bush took it to Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #6
You got it. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #10
The logic was FL going to Gore would cause irreparable harm to the Bush presidency jeff47 Mar 2012 #35
It's tragic that they never considered irreparable harm to Gore or the people Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #86
Scalia is a deluded sack of fecal material or just a lying sack of shit? AlbertCat Mar 2012 #21
He is a Supreme Court Justice CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #37
So? Zoeisright Mar 2012 #51
So was Taney, he ruled that slaves were property Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #87
He's a criminal. He helped steal an election so I guess like all criminals, he does not want people sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #28
Hmm, I didn't know that. Did FL have selective recounting? joshcryer Mar 2012 #36
As I said Gore followed Florida State Law, which allowed counting or recounting only in areas Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #85
The decision on the recount dispute was 7-2. The remedy was 5-4. former9thward Mar 2012 #7
It's just so funny, because as a result, our nation suffered, and as many as a million people died! Gregorian Mar 2012 #8
This should be the number one story in America malaise Mar 2012 #9
But according to the media, Limbaugh's lies are more fun alp227 Mar 2012 #57
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #11
no true judge would say, "Get over it" in reference to a controversial decison Skittles Mar 2012 #12
and he said it to a room full students ThomThom Mar 2012 #67
Hey Scalia! MrMickeysMom Mar 2012 #13
P.S... MrMickeysMom Mar 2012 #15
P.P.S. : Figlio da putana!!! Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2012 #56
How can these so called Christians Iliyah Mar 2012 #14
The problem is that there are no real consequences for him. LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #29
It's kind of ironic because the wife of the attorney which won the case in Bush vs Gore died on 9/11 Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #88
Here is Scalia's defination of "Wasn't even Close" on Bush v Gore.... LynneSin Mar 2012 #16
Any judge who's ability sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #17
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #18
Here's an article on the back stage dealings during Bush v. Gore LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2012 #19
Scalia spoke at my law school in 2004...same response MrCoffee Mar 2012 #20
He's spoken at a number of schools. xmas74 Mar 2012 #74
I think the wrong question is being asked. newspeak Mar 2012 #100
Let's just assume it WAS 7-2. Hell, let's assume it was 9-0. FedUp_Queer Mar 2012 #22
Had it gone to Congress, the results would have been the same nvme Mar 2012 #23
It doesn't matter, the point is the SC does not get to decide elections regardless. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #32
Exactly. Stopping the vote while Bush was ahead is the worst decision Zoeisright Mar 2012 #50
I gotta go with Citizens United as the worst decision since tclambert Mar 2012 #78
Oddly. FedUp_Queer Mar 2012 #91
Or Santa Clara County vs Southern Pacific Railroad nxylas Mar 2012 #99
You are dead on GD right. FedUp_Queer Mar 2012 #90
Good post, thank you. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #104
+1000 Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #26
Nino The Fixer The Wizard Mar 2012 #24
What an ass clown Scalia is / jimlup Mar 2012 #27
He's counting on the American people having the attention spans of guppies. Crunchy Frog Mar 2012 #31
I don't agree, but it was 7-2 backtomn Mar 2012 #33
That's wrong; 7-2 did not stop the recount BeyondGeography Mar 2012 #81
I can say this because wishing has no practical effect. Deep13 Mar 2012 #38
Funny davidpdx Mar 2012 #60
Vafanculo, Nino. n/t beac Mar 2012 #39
Seven Justices of the Court agree that there are constitutional problems with Fla_Democrat Mar 2012 #40
And let's never forget that one of the direct beneficiaries of Scalia's decision Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #41
Comrade Scalia is correct JHB Mar 2012 #42
He said the same thing in 2009 on 60 Minutes hfojvt Mar 2012 #43
Quack Quack Scalia has been repeatedly reciting this same bullshit for over a decade now. Lasher Mar 2012 #64
The name of the case "Bush vs Gore" means Bush filed the lawsuit and is the plaintiff Gman Mar 2012 #44
Gore filed the original suit in Florida state courts. former9thward Mar 2012 #70
I stand technically corrected Gman Mar 2012 #84
Someone should tell Scalia: Roe vs. Wade was also "a long time ago," and it was also 7-2. BzaDem Mar 2012 #45
Still trying to cheat there is he. Well we know the truth. His lies are not going to change a lonestarnot Mar 2012 #46
Oh Scalia... if you were not a Supreme Court Justice and said that to me fascisthunter Mar 2012 #47
Lol, you mean he can't count votes either? caseymoz Mar 2012 #48
Fuck you, Fat Tony Zoeisright Mar 2012 #49
+1. RiffRandell Mar 2012 #98
Vast majority of Nation believes... davidthegnome Mar 2012 #52
Wouldn't it be carmic, if President Obama got to replace Scalia in the next several years! madinmaryland Mar 2012 #53
5-4 or 7 -2 doesn't change one thing PatrynXX Mar 2012 #54
This is the second time this fucking windbag has told me to "get over it." Never. Ever. nt Stardust Mar 2012 #55
An awful lot of people really want us to 'get over' that crime. I guess just when he sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #63
I'm still trying to wake up from this nightmare they caused. Stardust Mar 2012 #92
Hold Scalia Accountable YOHABLO Mar 2012 #58
If Gore had been President disndat Mar 2012 #71
Nader made it possible. It wasn't just Florida. Gore wouldn't have needed Florida if he had won libinnyandia Mar 2012 #82
Didn't Nader admitted to disndat Mar 2012 #102
I agree. I wish the Nader apologists could name one positive thing that occurred because of libinnyandia Mar 2012 #103
Every day I hope that SOB will drop dead davidpdx Mar 2012 #59
He really is a miserable waste of skin NICO9000 Mar 2012 #61
7 to 2 said Florida supreme court decides final ruling, 5 to 4 said they would not let that happen graham4anything Mar 2012 #65
AND many states didn't file their results by the deadline anyway underpants Mar 2012 #77
Scalia is old. He won't have the last word on anything abelenkpe Mar 2012 #68
Were his pants on fire at the time that he stated this? RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #69
I guess it is OK to lie if you are a Supreme? nt MADem Mar 2012 #72
Scalia, the Scoundrel, is the leader of the cadre of the five most dangerous men in the nation. olegramps Mar 2012 #75
Justice John Paul Stevens NAILED IT with his dissent in Bush v Gore: bvar22 Mar 2012 #76
Scalia has now proved he can't do math OR the law. McCamy Taylor Mar 2012 #79
Don't worry fuckface, you will be remembered Rex Mar 2012 #80
WTF!!!!! Initech Mar 2012 #83
Term limits for judges are Madmiddle Mar 2012 #89
The case the should have heard was the violation of federal election law. VPStoltz Mar 2012 #95
Scalia and the other 4 never signed their opinion Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #97
well, because of their decision newspeak Mar 2012 #101
Lyin' sack Blue Owl Mar 2012 #106

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
105. He sold the place in Crawford ASAP.
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 08:14 PM
Mar 2012

He's a city-boy. The place in Crawford was purchased for publicity, to make him look like a cowboy - pictures of him "clearing brush" and other such nonsense. Once he was out of the Whitehouse, they sold that place and moved to a gated community outside of Dallas.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
2. how nice, the students invites him to their school and he lies to them
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:07 PM
Mar 2012

I hope there is a strong negative reaction from the University for this.


by the way he's delusional to think this is ancient history and that people have forgotten it. If there's anything that Scalia will be remembered for, it will be being on the wrong side of Bush v. Gore.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. I believe he was saying Gore was the first to the judicial branch
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:05 PM
Mar 2012

Which he was, in Florida's courts. In response, the Bush team filed in federal court, thus naming the federal suit Bush v Gore.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
62. Yes, jeff47.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 03:56 AM
Mar 2012

Here is a decision of the Florida Supreme Court stating that Gore filed the case in the State of Florida.

In my opinion, the Supreme Court's decision in Bush v. Gore will become an object of ridicule in the history books. Equal protection????

It's a very confused decision, I think. I do think that the majority on the Court were looking for a way to help Bush, but I was not sitting in their offices, so I, of course, do not know what was going through their minds.

Anyway, we know that their decision cast a dreadful curse on our nation.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
66. The very first legal filing in a Florida court was filed by the Republicans
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 10:17 AM
Mar 2012

They had tried to goad Gore into seeking relief from the courts, but Gore refused to throw out the first ball in that court because he knew the American people would never accept the election as legitimate if it were determined by the courts as opposed to the literal votes. Any winner of such contest would be considered "illegitimate" in the eyes of those disenfranchised. Jim Baker planned from the beginning to get this issue to the Supreme Court and taunted the Gore campaign to be the first to move. When it did not, the Republicans were forced to do so. Baker knew if he could just get the issue to the Supreme Court, odds were it would decide in favor of the Republicans.

And so to Scalia, here is my message. 51 million Americans WILL NEVER simply forget what happened in Election 2000. That is exactly how many American votes were nullified by the Supreme Court's appalling decision. For additional information, see Justice Stevens scathing dissenting opinion, and keep in mind as you read it, he is a Republican.

Some of us will continue to refute the misinformation that continues to be spread to this day about that theft. And YOU need to GET OVER that.

Sam

Uncle Joe

(58,370 posts)
6. Gore followed Florida state law, which is where this case should have remained, Bush took it to
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:24 PM
Mar 2012

federal court, that's why they call it "Bush vs Gore," not the other way around.

The Supreme Court had no Constitutional reason to even take Bush's case, it was up to the people of Florida, and if they couldn't resolve it, the Florida Legislature and then ultimately the U.S. Congress in determining which set of electors to seat.

I can't decide whether Scalia is a deluded sack of fecal material or just a lying sack of shit?

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
10. You got it.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 04:01 PM
Mar 2012

I remember that. What grounds did the appeal use? I can't remember. The legislature was going to go in the favor of Bush and over rule the Florida Supremes and appoint the electors for Bush. After SCOTUS ruled then Gore conceded.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
35. The logic was FL going to Gore would cause irreparable harm to the Bush presidency
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:07 PM
Mar 2012

Which I suppose is true, since it wouldn't exist.

Uncle Joe

(58,370 posts)
86. It's tragic that they never considered irreparable harm to Gore or the people
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 09:45 PM
Mar 2012

to be of equal significance.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
21. Scalia is a deluded sack of fecal material or just a lying sack of shit?
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:28 PM
Mar 2012

These are not mutually exclusive. He is both.

And so is Thomas.

And also "I will not let my personal feeling effect my decisions" Roberts.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
28. He's a criminal. He helped steal an election so I guess like all criminals, he does not want people
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:09 PM
Mar 2012

questioning him about it. And when questioned, criminals often lie.

But wait, someone will be along any moment to Blame Nader for Scalia's and his buddies' criminal act. Scalia is not the only one who has developed anmesia about that election.

They so desperately hope that people have forgotten that travesty. It must have been a shock to him in his bubble, to find out that people are never going to forget it.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
36. Hmm, I didn't know that. Did FL have selective recounting?
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:15 PM
Mar 2012

That's interesting. I still to this day think Gore should've done a statewide recount. He would've still won.

Uncle Joe

(58,370 posts)
85. As I said Gore followed Florida State Law, which allowed counting or recounting only in areas
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 09:39 PM
Mar 2012

which had obvious problems with the vote and the vote was close, but twice Gore offered Bush to recount the votes in the entire state to which Bush; declined, because the corporate media had already prematurely declared him the winner.

All Bush wanted to do was run out the clock and he knew the U.S. Supreme Court was in his pocket.

The Florida Supreme Court finally ruled to count all the votes in the state and that's when the U.S. Supreme Court which had been stalling the process the entire time basically ruled the clock had run out as some arbitrary date mattered more than determining the intent of the people.

When you speak of "selective recounting," Florida had selective voting, but the U.S. Supreme Court didn't give a rat's ass about that.

former9thward

(32,028 posts)
7. The decision on the recount dispute was 7-2. The remedy was 5-4.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:28 PM
Mar 2012

What was before the court was whether the ongoing recount was Constitutional. The vote was 7-2 that it was not. As remedy five Justices said to stop the count and four Justices offered different ways to count.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
8. It's just so funny, because as a result, our nation suffered, and as many as a million people died!
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:44 PM
Mar 2012

And it's just so funny because he's totally not impartial. And we should all just forget that we won the revolution. It was so long ago. What the hell, King George still reigns.

Cuckoo!...cuckoo!

Response to kpete (Original post)

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
12. no true judge would say, "Get over it" in reference to a controversial decison
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:17 PM
Mar 2012

a republican hack would though; yes INDEED

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
67. and he said it to a room full students
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 10:57 AM
Mar 2012

who where there to study and learn and get an education. They did not vote in the election and were just trying to get first hand the thinking behind the decision. A little touchy are we? Did he even attempt to explain the legal logic he used to make the decision or did he just get indignant because he knows the law was not served.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
14. How can these so called Christians
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:20 PM
Mar 2012

live themselves? He has broken one of the 10 Commandments "Thou Shall Not Lie".

Seriously, he needs to resign alongwith at least 3 more.

LiberalFighter

(50,953 posts)
29. The problem is that there are no real consequences for him.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:27 PM
Mar 2012

If his wife, children or grandchildren were to suffer the consequences of his actions then he might give more thought to the right decision.

Uncle Joe

(58,370 posts)
88. It's kind of ironic because the wife of the attorney which won the case in Bush vs Gore died on 9/11
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 10:05 PM
Mar 2012

his birthday, is that tragically cosmic or what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Olson

"Olson argued a dozen cases before the Supreme Court prior to becoming Solicitor General;[3] In one case, he argued against federal sentencing guidelines, and in a case in New York state, he defended a member of the press who had first leaked the Anita Hill story.[2] Olson successfully represented presidential candidate George W. Bush in the Supreme Court case Bush v. Gore, which effectively ended the recount of the contested 2000 Presidential election."

(snip)

"Olson has been married four times. Olson's third wife,[8] Barbara Olson, was a passenger on the hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, his birthday. The following year Olson met Lady Booth, a tax attorney and native of Kentucky, and the two were married on October 21, 2006, in Napa County, California."[8]





"

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
16. Here is Scalia's defination of "Wasn't even Close" on Bush v Gore....
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:26 PM
Mar 2012

We had our decisions made before we even heard anyone speak on the case.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
17. Any judge who's ability
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:30 PM
Mar 2012

to reason and to recall fact have degenerated as much as Scalia's should retire willingly or be persuaded to step down by his colleagues.

Response to kpete (Original post)

19. Here's an article on the back stage dealings during Bush v. Gore
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:52 PM
Mar 2012

"The Path to Florida", Vanity Fair, October 2004:

http://makethemaccountable.com/articles/The_Path_To_Florida.htm

Scalia is living in a fantasy world; he will go down in history as one of the most corrupt Supreme Court justices, IMO.

MrCoffee

(24,159 posts)
20. Scalia spoke at my law school in 2004...same response
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:54 PM
Mar 2012

Well, not quite the same, he didn't say anything except that he wouldn't say anything about it.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
74. He's spoken at a number of schools.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:48 PM
Mar 2012

He spoke at my local university a few years' back and when asked about it, he just ignored the questioner. He felt the need to spend all his time discussing abortion.

I enjoy attending lectures. I don't necessarily have to care about the subject matter or even approve of the pov. If I learn something, anything, I'm happy. Scalia was one person I learned absolutely nothing from. I left his lecture feeling drained. I felt as though I had a half day of my time stolen that couldn't be returned.

(and this is from someone who even attended Tom DeLay's speech at Westminster. http://www.churchillmemorial.org/lecture/green/Pages/TomDeLay.aspx )

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
100. I think the wrong question is being asked.
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 12:04 PM
Mar 2012

The question we need to ask scalia is why did two justices not recuse themselves because members of their families were directly involved in little boot's election?

I want him to answer that question. There are some in the supreme court I have no respect, because they do not deserve respect.

Even with the butterfly ballots "jews for buchanan" and the bogus voter suppression list and the intimidation at the polls, Gore still won florida. What we witnessed was a coup aided and abetted by a partisan supreme court, the corporate media and a bunch of paid bullies bussed in to florida.

And the damage the BFEE, darth cheney administration did to this country, is mind boggling. Hey cheney, how's halliburton doing since you put us into harm's way? Because they weren't fairing so well BEFORE the election was stolen.

 

FedUp_Queer

(975 posts)
22. Let's just assume it WAS 7-2. Hell, let's assume it was 9-0.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:50 PM
Mar 2012

I've read the Constitution, and I can't find the part where the Supreme Court gets to install the president. "Democratically elected" (at least I thought) means the entire citizenry gets the opportunity to vote, not 9 people in black robes in Washington.

nvme

(860 posts)
23. Had it gone to Congress, the results would have been the same
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:41 PM
Mar 2012

The Repubs controlled both houses at the time.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. It doesn't matter, the point is the SC does not get to decide elections regardless.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:47 PM
Mar 2012

They had no business deciding that election, they are not elected representatives of the people, it was a totally illegal decision. And the people had no input there. At least if Congress had handled it they would have been hearing from the people without a doubt and who knows, a few of them might have been honest enough to send it back to where it belonged, Florida!

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
78. I gotta go with Citizens United as the worst decision since
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 03:05 PM
Mar 2012

ever, though you could argue Bush v. Gore made that decision possible since Bush appointed Roberts and Alito.

 

FedUp_Queer

(975 posts)
91. Oddly.
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 12:02 AM
Mar 2012

I don't think Citizens United was the worst decision. It was a logical conclusion from Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad (which established corporations as "persons" under the 14th Amendment; which is utterly absurd, but makes Citizens United logical). I think, bar none, the worst decision was the Dred Scott decision or Plessy v. Ferguson.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
99. Or Santa Clara County vs Southern Pacific Railroad
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 09:37 AM
Mar 2012

As you say, without that, there could be no Citizens United.

 

FedUp_Queer

(975 posts)
90. You are dead on GD right.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 11:59 PM
Mar 2012

Here's the deal. As an attorney, I have realized the PROCESS MATTERS. Just because we think something is a foregone conclusion or "would have come out the same way" is never a reason to dispense with the process (because nobody REALLY knows the outcome...for me the best example is that Justice Kennedy wrote the majority Opinion in Lawrence v. Texas which overturned Bowers v. Hardwick). Second, the vote in the House of Representatives is not one person, one vote. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that regard, each STATE has an equal say. Who really knows what would have happened.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
104. Good post, thank you.
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 04:35 PM
Mar 2012

We have laws for a reason and when the legal process is corrupted, as it was in the 2000 election, nothing good can come of that, and it didn't.

And as you said, we have no idea of the outcome. Sometimes those in office surprise us when they realize their legacies are involved, eg, or simply because they do in the end, put the country before their personal feelings or their party. It has happened many times once the process was followed, as in the Impeachment of Clinton eg.

And as you pointed out, when Congress is involved it is not just one vote representing the entire country.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
24. Nino The Fixer
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:46 PM
Mar 2012

as he was known in the Nixon White House, should have recused himself from ruling on the case. His son worked for the firm representing Bush, thus, giving the appearance of a conflict of interest.
Thomas should also be impeached. His wife was on the Bush transition team and as such he stood to profit from his decision. Another conflict of interest.
Because of these two political hacks we were victims of the biggest treasury looting in history. As the repubes are wont to say: "That's your money."

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
31. He's counting on the American people having the attention spans of guppies.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:38 PM
Mar 2012

And he's mostly right about that, unfortunately.

backtomn

(482 posts)
33. I don't agree, but it was 7-2
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:01 PM
Mar 2012

7-2 stopped the recount, but 2 justices thought that a new recount could still occur under different rules......look it up. Geez.

My issue isn't only with Scalia (that is a long-standing problem) but with Souter and another justice voting against it. How does that happen. I don't think that we could trust that court.......and it is worse now. I am still hoping for a few retirements this year.

BeyondGeography

(39,375 posts)
81. That's wrong; 7-2 did not stop the recount
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 03:42 PM
Mar 2012

"Seven Justices of the Court agree that there are constitutional problems with the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court that demand a remedy. See post, at 6 (Souter, J., dissenting); post, at 2, 15 (Breyer, J., dissenting). The only disagreement is as to the remedy."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html

The 5-4 remedy vote is what stopped the recounts.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
38. I can say this because wishing has no practical effect.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:41 PM
Mar 2012

Dear Justice Scalia, please have a heart attack and die.

Fla_Democrat

(2,547 posts)
40. Seven Justices of the Court agree that there are constitutional problems with
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:03 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html



The Supreme Court of Florida has said that the legislature intended the State’s electors to “participat[e] fully in the federal electoral process,” as provided in 3 U.S.C. § 5. ___ So. 2d, at ___ (slip op. at 27); see also Palm Beach Canvassing Bd. v. Harris, 2000 WL 1725434, *13 (Fla. 2000). That statute, in turn, requires that any controversy or contest that is designed to lead to a conclusive selection of electors be completed by December 12. That date is upon us, and there is no recount procedure in place under the State Supreme Court’s order that comports with minimal constitutional standards. Because it is evident that any recount seeking to meet the December 12 date will be unconstitutional for the reasons we have discussed, we reverse the judgment of the Supreme Court of Florida ordering a recount to proceed.

Seven Justices of the Court agree that there are constitutional problems with the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court that demand a remedy. See post, at 6 (Souter, J., dissenting); post, at 2, 15 (Breyer, J., dissenting). The only disagreement is as to the remedy. Because the Florida Supreme Court has said that the Florida Legislature intended to obtain the safe-harbor benefits of 3 U.S.C. § 5 Justice Breyer’s proposed remedy–remanding to the Florida Supreme Court for its ordering of a constitutionally proper contest until December 18-contemplates action in violation of the Florida election code, and hence could not be part of an “appropriate” order authorized by Fla. Stat. §102.168(8) (2000).






Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
41. And let's never forget that one of the direct beneficiaries of Scalia's decision
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:26 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Sun Mar 11, 2012, 02:47 AM - Edit history (1)

was his longtime friend and hunting partner, Dick Cheney!

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-588582.html

And the SOB got his position on the Supreme Court when the plaintiff's father was vice president!

And another one who voted in bu$h's favor, Clarence Thomas, was actually appointed by bu$h's father!

And Sandra Day O'Connor, who was also appointed to the Court when bu$h's father was vice president, expressed relief that bu$h was awarded the presidency!

That warped decision, which had absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with the 14th Amendment upon which it was ostensibly based, was made by "justices" with serious conflicts-of-interest.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
43. He said the same thing in 2009 on 60 Minutes
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:50 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-4040290.html?pageNum=3&tag=contentMain;contentBody

"Gee, I really don't wanna get into - I mean this is - get over it. It's so old by now. The principal
issue in the case, whether the scheme that the Florida Supreme Court had put together violated the federal Constitution, that wasn't even close. The vote was seven to two," Scalia says.

Not the final decision, but the "principal issue in the case".

Lasher

(27,602 posts)
64. Quack Quack Scalia has been repeatedly reciting this same bullshit for over a decade now.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 04:46 AM
Mar 2012

He is almost as vile as his hunting buddy, Lord Vader.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
44. The name of the case "Bush vs Gore" means Bush filed the lawsuit and is the plaintiff
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:54 PM
Mar 2012

and Gore was the respondent. Every even PRE-law students knows person filing the suit is listed first. The person being sued is listed second after vs.. How can he even begin to say Gore filed the suit? It was during the recount and Gore was inching closer to going ahead of Bush that the recount was stopped by a lawsuit filed by Bush. How can he even say this?

Over the years, I have shoved it up the butt of every single conservative that came at me with that "Gore filed the suit" bullshit. I ask them if they even know what the significance of who is listed first means and what the name after vs. means? Every time I leave them with a blank look.

Son of a bitches.

former9thward

(32,028 posts)
70. Gore filed the original suit in Florida state courts.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:27 PM
Mar 2012

It went to the Florida Supreme court which ruled 4-3 to do a second recount. That was appealed to the U.S. Supreme court. Bush's name went first because he was the petitioner to the court.

BzaDem

(11,142 posts)
45. Someone should tell Scalia: Roe vs. Wade was also "a long time ago," and it was also 7-2.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:16 AM
Mar 2012

What did Scalia have to say about that old, 7-2 decision? From his dissent in Casey (reaffirming Roe vs. Wade in 1992):

There comes vividly to mind a portrait by Emanuel Leutze that hangs in the Harvard Law School: Roger Brooke Taney, painted in 1859, the 82d year of his life, the 24th of his Chief Justiceship, the second after his opinion in Dred Scott. He is all in black, sitting in a shadowed red armchair, left hand resting upon a pad of paper in his lap, right hand hanging limply, almost lifelessly, beside the inner arm of the chair. He sits facing the viewer, and staring straight out. There seems to be on his face, and in his deep set eyes, an expression of profound sadness and disillusionment. Perhaps he always looked that way, even when dwelling upon the happiest of thoughts. But those of us who know how the lustre of his great Chief Justiceship came to be eclipsed by Dred Scott cannot help believing that he had that case--its already apparent consequences for the Court, and its soon to be played out consequences for the Nation--burning on his mind. I expect that two years earlier he, too, had thought himself "call[ing] the contending sides of national controversy to end their national division by accepting a common mandate rooted in the Constitution."

It is no more realistic for us in this case, than it was for him in that, to think that an issue of the sort they both involved--an issue involving life and death, freedom and subjugation--can be "speedily and finally settled" by the Supreme Court, as President James Buchanan in hisinaugural address said the issue of slavery in the territories would be. See Inaugural Addresses of the Presidents of the United States, S. Doc. No. 101-10, p. 126 (1989). Quite to the contrary, by foreclosing all democratic outlet for the deep passions this issue arouses, by banishing the issue from the political forum that gives all participants, even the losers, the satisfaction of a fair hearing and an honest fight, by continuing the imposition of a rigid national rule instead of allowing for regional differences, the Court merely prolongs and intensifies the anguish.


So let's get this straight. Bush v. Gore, an old 7-2 case that most certainly "foreclosed all democratic outlet" for resolving the issue (the US Congress), and "banished the issue from the political forum that gives all... a fair hearing," is a decision that people should "get over."

But Roe v. Wade, an old 7-2 decision that Scalia accuses of doing the same thing, is comparable to Taney's decision in Dred Scott vs. Sanford (holding that African Americans have "no rights which the white man was bound to respect," and mandating that slavery be extended to the territories).
 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
46. Still trying to cheat there is he. Well we know the truth. His lies are not going to change a
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:16 AM
Mar 2012

fucking thing.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
47. Oh Scalia... if you were not a Supreme Court Justice and said that to me
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:20 AM
Mar 2012

without authorities around to protect your punk ass, I would knock your teeth out, and if I got arrested, I'd be satisfied. You are a very fortunate wimp.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
48. Lol, you mean he can't count votes either?
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 01:13 AM
Mar 2012

Well, that would explain a lot.

Or, more likely, he downright lies about it. This is the main guy who decided the election, the worst post-Dred Scott decision (up until the even worse Citizen's United?). His intervention was instrumental in saddling the country with the worst President ever, giving us 9/11 less than a year later, and then the Iraq and Afghan Wars, not to mention the Patriot Act and Gitmo.

Yeah, Scalia, having a dick like you say it just makes me want to get over it, especially when you show your intellectual fitness and honesty by fudging the vote count. You shouldn't even be on then bench in a traffic court.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
49. Fuck you, Fat Tony
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 01:59 AM
Mar 2012

You are a piece of slime and will go down in history as the man who subverted democracy in the United States.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
52. Vast majority of Nation believes...
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 02:01 AM
Mar 2012

that Scalia isn't even close to sane. Unfortunately, the lunatic is on the Supreme Court.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
53. Wouldn't it be carmic, if President Obama got to replace Scalia in the next several years!
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 02:01 AM
Mar 2012


Interesting choice!

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
54. 5-4 or 7 -2 doesn't change one thing
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 02:05 AM
Mar 2012

Supreme Court still Selected a president. So for 4 years we didn't have an elected president. so when we complain about screwy elections in any other country. our argument is shot

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
63. An awful lot of people really want us to 'get over' that crime. I guess just when he
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 04:00 AM
Mar 2012

thought we had, he realized he was wrong. I wonder if he knows that history will remember it and after he is gone his name will forever be associated with one of the worst decisions ever made by the USSC.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
58. Hold Scalia Accountable
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 02:28 AM
Mar 2012

Hold Scalia Accountable for his remarks. We can't allow the media to let this go. He's was an incredible liar. If Gore were there during 9/11 I can't imagine how much better he would have handled it. However it would have to have been better than the lies the Bush Adm. told us ... and still no one has been indicted. So we can never forget what went down in Florida ever.

libinnyandia

(1,374 posts)
82. Nader made it possible. It wasn't just Florida. Gore wouldn't have needed Florida if he had won
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 06:27 PM
Mar 2012

New Hampshire, which he would have won under normal circumstance. No 9/11, no tax cuts for the 1%, no citizens united.

disndat

(1,887 posts)
102. Didn't Nader admitted to
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 01:00 PM
Mar 2012

taking money to run from the Republicans? If so, Nader is just as responsible for what happened as the Supreme Court despicable 5.

libinnyandia

(1,374 posts)
103. I agree. I wish the Nader apologists could name one positive thing that occurred because of
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
Mar 2012

Nader's campaigns.

NICO9000

(970 posts)
61. He really is a miserable waste of skin
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 03:24 AM
Mar 2012

As an Italian-American, I am ashamed to share a culture with him. An awful, awful excuse for a human.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
65. 7 to 2 said Florida supreme court decides final ruling, 5 to 4 said they would not let that happen
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 06:20 AM
Mar 2012

they voted 7 to 2 to let FLORIDA SUPREME COURT make the final decision as it should have
(and they would have found a way for a full recount or partial recount and Gore would win.

the 5 to 4 vote (which was disputed and one sided said
NAH NAH NAH SUCKERS, THE TIME IS UP (as they waited and waited to give the ruling til
the last possible minute).

Scalia has a sleight of hand in his answer.

7 to 2 meant Gore would have prevailed
5 to 4 said he wouldn't be given the chance.


Remember when we hung on every word, the Florida Sup. Court Clerk/spokesman Craig Waters
read to us on the steps of Florida Supreme Court!
Remember how happy we were

VOTE DEMOCRAT in 2012 and let's change the court back.

underpants

(182,839 posts)
77. AND many states didn't file their results by the deadline anyway
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 02:28 PM
Mar 2012

there was no concrete deadline.

I can't remember the number or percentage - I heard this on the book on tape of Jon Krakauer EXCELLENT book about Pat Tillman "Where Men Seek Glory"

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
68. Scalia is old. He won't have the last word on anything
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 11:12 AM
Mar 2012

And history will remember him as an embarrassing mistake, a hateful fascist corporate whore.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
69. Were his pants on fire at the time that he stated this?
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:07 PM
Mar 2012

Such lies!
even stating the 12 years ago is a long, long time. Perhaps for a 20 year old, which Scalia is NOT.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
76. Justice John Paul Stevens NAILED IT with his dissent in Bush v Gore:
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 02:25 PM
Mar 2012
[font size=4]"Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the nation's confidence in the judge as the impartial guardian of the rule of law."[/font]
--- Justice Stevens, Bush v. Gore




You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
79. Scalia has now proved he can't do math OR the law.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 03:12 PM
Mar 2012

Sorry about your legacy, dude. Better luck in your next life.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
80. Don't worry fuckface, you will be remembered
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 03:17 PM
Mar 2012

as the pile of shit that started this all off...rot in Hell!!! Because of you, millions of people are now dead that would probably still be alive all these years later. All that blood on you hands Scarface...how do you sleep at night?

VPStoltz

(1,295 posts)
95. The case the should have heard was the violation of federal election law.
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 01:50 AM
Mar 2012

The Recons hired a mob of goons to disrupt the ballot counting process to the point where the counters felt endangered. I don't believe all the ballots were counted before the case went to the SCOTUS.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
97. Scalia and the other 4 never signed their opinion
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 04:31 AM
Mar 2012

And Scalia also said that, unlike every other Supreme Court decision, that decision only applied to that one case. They knew they were wrong.

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
101. well, because of their decision
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 12:23 PM
Mar 2012

the american people have suffered the consequences. Anyone listening to little boot's before the election would know what a sociopathic, narcissitic piece of work he is. When one thinks that daddy would have won if he only started another war or prolonged a war; because the people love them some war president. men who never saw the horrors of war; yet, their families have made plenty of profit off of war; would, in a heartbeat, find any excuse for war.

Before the election, these cretins had an agenda and it involved war and profits. Anyone thinking something more honorable, I have a bridge to sell you. The chuckling, like it's some joke, after 9/11, how he had hit the trifecta. The looking for WMDs around a desk, while our soldiers were still in harms way. Yeah, these cretins cared about their base; unfortunately, it wasn't the majority of american people and it wasn't the health and well being of this country.

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