I'd love to see Elizabeth or Bernie as Prez but outside of Vt and Ma they're too liberal, right?

[Scuba]

Um, no.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/13-5

There’s Hope for Republicans Yet

Most startling was the finding from those same national polls when respondents were asked which party was responsible for the economic crisis: “Republicans were precisely as likely as Democrats to blame ‘Wall Street bankers.’ ”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/08/17/706101/poll-republicans-oppose-paul-ryans-proposed-changes-to-medicare/

POLL: Republicans Oppose Paul Ryan’s Proposed Changes To Medicare

Americans’ opposition to the Republican ticket’s plan for Medicare is consistent across party lines. Two new polls from the Kaiser Family Foundation find that neither Democrats nor Republicans favor overhauling the government program, and a majority of Americans report they would trust Obama over Romney to make the right decisions about health care going forward.

...

Fifty eight percent of the total individuals surveyed favored the current system over Ryan’s plan, including a majority of the respondents in the Republican, Democrat, and independent groups.

http://www.ncpssm.org/pdf/poll.pdf

Medicare, Social Security & The Deficit

82% of Democrats, 73% of Independents and 58% Republicans, a majority, oppose cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

They would punish members of Congress and President Obama for supporting such cuts, and reward each for opposing them.

http://www.democracyjournal.org/arguments/2013/09/politicians-think-american-voters-are-more-conservative-than-they-really-are.php

Politicians Think Voters Are More Conservative than They Really Are

Breaking down misperceptions by the leanings of legislators reveals further imbalances:
The typical conservative legislator overestimates his or her district’s conservatism by a whopping 20 percentage points. Indeed, he or she believes the district is even more conservative than the most right-leaning district in the entire country.

Liberals also think their constituents’ views are more conservative than they really are, but are typically only off by about five percentage points.

Most conservative legislators believe their positions on same-sex marriage and health care command majority support in their districts—but only two-fifths are correct. In contrast, liberal legislators usually share views with constituents, but one in five does not know it.

[Le Taz Hot]

1. I'm thinking she'll fly just fine in California.

The fastest-growing "party" in California is "no party affiliation." Since Hillary Clinton's ONLY support is from the Party Faithful, that leaves it wide open for Senator Warren.

I know your Thread title was tongue-in-cheek but IF Warren would run and IF she would stay as long as the California primaries, she could easily take "I-love-the-1%" Clinton.

On edit: Love taking this from polling data since that's what the Party Faithful use in their "Hillary is inevitable" posts.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Elizabeth Warren is EXACTLY what this country needs right now.

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[xchrom]

2. du rec.

[Gman]

3. I dont think "too liberal" has anything to do with it

Obama won in 08. I think its more an issue of being able to get their name out there and build a following nationally as Obama did. And just as importantly, having the ability to raise massive amounts of money.

The big money people, many of whom were behind Obama in 08 are now behind HIllary.

[Scuba]

5. They sure are ...

[Gman]

10. Warren is completely unqualified.

Sanders would be a better choice. But no one is more qualified than Hillary. Sorry, she's a Democrat. Deal with it.

[Scuba]

17. I'm afraid your definition of "qualified" must be very different than mine.

[Marrah_G]

40. The qualified people are the ones who have gotten us into this mess.

I think as a people we need to rethink what qualified means.

[Gman]

41. Wouldn't it be wonderful if it were that simple!

[Marrah_G]

42. Yes it would

But as long as people are convinced that the status quo is the only viable choice then things will never change.

[bemildred]

4. That's what you are supposed to believe, but it's propaganda. nt

[Joel thakkar]

6. Many other states

like california, washington, oregon, NY will go into her favor.

[KG]

7. they prolly wouldn't run from the word liberal, like dam near every other dem politico would.

[Le Taz Hot]

8. Kick

for the morning crowd. Good reading here.

[ananda]

9. I think most Americans ARE liberal.

It's the nominating process that's screwed.

[librechik]

12. I think you are exactly right. Gerrymandering and money in politics obscure the facts

Which are blatant in most polls. The trick for the polltakers is to make those results seem unimportant and confusing.

[redstateblues]

14. You must live in a blue state

Here in TN the electorate is shockingly ignorant and right leaning-easily duped by the GOP.

[K.O. Stradivarius]

22. You couldn't be more wrong.

Most Americans are middle of the road/moderate on 'the issues', but it's all dependent on what those issues are.

Even after having been born in, and lived in and or around the Boston area for 56 years, MA is not nearly as Liberal as some would like to believe (including Republicans).

[librechik]

11. yes, and it shouldn't matter, if they advocate for what Americans want and need

and they do. But it matters to the shadowy robots who actually choose and finance our candidates nowadays. And that's the end of it.
Thank goodness they let them live and operate in some crippled capacity, they don't have to do that. But they do, as long as the people's candidates are poor and powerless.

[stillwaiting]

13. I think bought and corrupt politicians PRETEND that voters are more conservative than they are.

Polling on specific issues tends to favor liberal positions time and time again, but as Dick Cheney said on reflecting the will of the people: "So?"

[gtar100]

15. We could help make this possible by first focusing on getting more Democrats elected in 2014.

And more specifically, progressive Democrats. If something actually got done in Washington that was of benefit to the people (instead of just the rich and powerful), then there would be a better understanding that Warren and Sanders really want what is in the people's best interest. It's harder to only run on promises; but if that's all we got to work with, we'll have to make do.

[cantbeserious]

16. The Oligarchs And Corporations That Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us

Want you to believe that Warren is too liberal.

Why, Because, otherwise she would be elected to their detriment.

[BelgianMadCow]

25. I'm reading Failed States by Chomsky. He highlights the underreported polls of the US public

with LARGE majorities in favour of:
- having expanded social security, even if it means higher taxes
- single payer healthcare
- heavily reducing military spending
- in favour of spending on education
and on & on.

The people at large are much more "liberal" than what the puppeteers, as you rightly point out, try to make us believe.

[brooklynite]

18. If we had national popular elections, maybe...

But you still have to win Red or Purple states which aren't quite as liberal.

Also, doesn't mean the same voters will reject a more centrist Democratic candidate (Hillary Clinton perhaps?)

[Scuba]

19. Actually, those of us here in "the middle" are plenty progressive. I don't think Hillary can win ..

... because many in the base who would only vote for her holding their noses, and wont work hard for her. More importantly, Republicans hate her and will turn out in droves to vote against her.

Warren has a better chance as she will peel off lots of Republican votes thanks to her signature issue.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/13-5

Most startling was the finding from those same national polls when respondents were asked which party was responsible for the economic crisis: “Republicans were precisely as likely as Democrats to blame ‘Wall Street bankers.’ ”

[brooklynite]

20. I think "DU Bloggers" doesn't equate to "many in the Base"

A reminder that Hillary Clinton got 17 million votes in the 2008 Democratic Primary...and already has a lot of volunteer support lining up.

[Scuba]

21. I haven't spoken with every voter in the Country, but the Dems here in Wisconsin ....

... are more liberal than 75% of DU members.

[stevenleser]

27. Really? A recent primary poll of them has 64% of them wanting Hillary to be the 2016 nominee

So, if they are more liberal than 75% of DU members, it must mean Liberals want Hillary.

You kinda walked right into that one, didn't you?

http://www.argojournal.com/2013/10/poll-watch-marquette-university-law_29.html

[Scuba]

29. You need some eduction regarding the Marquette poll....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/19/1093070/-Marquette-poll-on-Wisconsin-Recall-oversampling-right-wingers#

http://freewisconsinblog.com/?p=12398

This is not the first time Mr. Franklin has been challenged as to the accuracy of his sampling methods, which consistently demonstrate anomalies that skew the findings in favor of conservative and very conservative voters.

Kind of walked right into that one, didn't you?

[stevenleser]

30. LOL, so the polls are skewed because you don't like the results? Where have I heard that before...

[Scuba]

31. If it was just me saying the polls are skewed you might have a case.

But it isn't, and you don't.

[stevenleser]

34. It's never just one person, just like the folks saying the polls were skewed against Romney.

They were wrong, and so are you.

[Scuba]

36. It's well known that Charles Franklin works at the behest of the Bradley Foundation ....

But you don't have to take my word for it, here's Ed Garvey on the topic ...


http://www.fightingbob.com/weblog.cfm?postID=4356

About a year ago, we discovered that the far-right Bradley Foundation front, the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute (WPRI), made a deal to "partner" with the political science department at UW Madison. The Poli Sci department agreed to conduct WPRI polls with questions provided by WPRI. WPRI and Political Science agreed that the agreement and all polling would be outside the reach of open records laws. Incredible. Reporters who routinely use Open Records to get information wouldn't think of asking Marquette Law School about their brand new polling operation. Keeping all the relevant data outside the reach of the public is not pants on fire it is "building burning down!" And they agreed that a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter would have first crack at revealing the poll's results. A scoop so to speak. We got this information under an Open Records request. We asked questions like Who is paying for the poll?

The poll released yesterday ignores the earlier unholy alliance between the Journal Sentinel and the Bradley Foundation's WPRI. Why raise that now since the partnership crashed and burned when they could not operate in scret? Well, guess who was with UW Political Science when we exposed their agreement with WPRI--Yes sir, Charles Franklin. Who directed the so-called Marquette University Law School poll? Yup. Charles Franklin.

If you're not familiar with the Bradley Foundation ....

http://seattletimes.com/html/politics/2016875571_conservatives28.html?mid=53

MILWAUKEE — Less than a week after being elected governor, Wisconsin Republican Scott Walker and his wife met privately with one of the most powerful philanthropic forces behind America's conservative movement.

It wasn't the Koch brothers — the boogeymen for the American left.

On Nov. 8, 2010, the Walkers broke bread at an upscale restaurant with the board and senior staff members of the Milwaukee-based Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation.

With more than $600 million in assets, the Bradley Foundation provides a cornerstone for the U.S. conservative movement. It has been the financial backer behind public-policy experiments that started in Wisconsin and spread across the nation — including a welfare overhaul, public vouchers for private schools and, this year, cutbacks in public-employee benefits and collective bargaining.

Since you're a "Democratic Strategist" I'd have expected you to already know this.

[SidDithers]

38. Russ Feingold might dispute that notion...nt

Sid

[Scuba]

39. Why? The Dems here elected him to the US Senate? You consider him a "corporate Dem"?

[stevenleser]

28. LOL, check my post downthread about Wisconsin voters. ;-)

[avaistheone1]

23. To know Bernie and Elizabeth is to love them.

They need more exposure. People will relate and like both Elizabeth and Bernie once they really get to hear them speak.

k&r

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

24. Most of being president is about image

They don't look like presidential material. Sad, but true.

A liberal who looked like say, Ed Schultz, might have a chance.

But it's all moot until we get a strong liberal majority caucus into the house and senate anyway. Obama had a chance to push more populist policies, until he saw the scaredy cats he was going to have to work with in the '08 Congress who all lost their jobs anyway to the dumb, misinformed public whim.

[Reformed Bully]

26. 2016 Obama - Biden

Michelle & Jill

[Enthusiast]

32. Kicked and recommended....nt

[marmar]

33. Warren's economic populist message would be very popular in a lot of the country .......

...... The neo-DLCers fail to grasp that. Trotting out another stilted, corporate, platitude-spouting candidate (that would be Hillary) isn't what we should be doing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. yes, they are