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I'd really like to know if it was the private contractors that f'd up (Original Post) applegrove Nov 2013 OP
If it was contractors who built the website, then Cleita Nov 2013 #1
Kathleen is not computer savvy and assumed it was being done right. fadedrose Nov 2013 #8
I cannot imagine somebody in a high level Cleita Nov 2013 #9
I went there several times.. fadedrose Nov 2013 #2
+ 1 russspeakeasy Nov 2013 #4
That does sound like sabotage. I've used databases, though not dynamic ones, and that should not applegrove Nov 2013 #5
you have never worked in programming, have you? hollysmom Nov 2013 #6
Nothing like this has ever happened to a major system fadedrose Nov 2013 #7
seriously? hollysmom Nov 2013 #10
check this out. hollysmom Nov 2013 #12
I really think it was sabotaged. liberalmuse Nov 2013 #3
It definitely was sabotaged politically, but if it was Cleita Nov 2013 #11

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. If it was contractors who built the website, then
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:14 AM
Nov 2013

it's them that effed up. Although I think Kathleen Sibelius should have been more hands on.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
8. Kathleen is not computer savvy and assumed it was being done right.
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:03 AM
Nov 2013

But I agree, she should have been curious enough to sample it..

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
9. I cannot imagine somebody in a high level
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:09 AM
Nov 2013

of responsibility not being computer savvy in this day and age. I hope future appointees to Cabinet positions are. Even I have been tested for some rather advanced computer skills applying for a low level minimum wage job.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
2. I went there several times..
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:16 AM
Nov 2013
this was a major f-up, and I can't believe that anything that screwed up and incoherent could be an accident or done thru stupidity.

There was some kind of duplicity involved, I'm sure of it.

This is the definition I like for whatever transpired:

Duplicity | Define Duplicity at Dictionary.com
Synonym Study 1. Deceit, guile, hypocrisy, duplicity, fraud, trickery refer either to practices designed to mislead or to the qualities that produce those practices.
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It was like chasing your tail. Click a link, and it takes you to something you started out with, try another link, and it doesn't take you where it said it would, click another, you end up at Marketplace where you started.

applegrove

(118,682 posts)
5. That does sound like sabotage. I've used databases, though not dynamic ones, and that should not
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:21 AM
Nov 2013

happen.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
6. you have never worked in programming, have you?
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:46 AM
Nov 2013

This is business as usual. The difference is that you don't hear about other major systems.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
7. Nothing like this has ever happened to a major system
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:59 AM
Nov 2013

where millions or billions of dollars were spent for something that everyone is either criticizing or laughing at. I've not made any websites, but I've been to enough to know that ACA was screwed up beyond "accidental."

Read FarCenter's OP in http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024044904 and his Post#6.

We're not talking a few glitches that we could all overlook here.

Nobody would ever even buy a computer if the whole internet was like that site. It was a relief when I left it, but then sorrow like you wouldn't believe replaced it.

My President put a lot of faith in these charlatans, one's already gone. I feel that he was deceived.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
10. seriously?
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:12 AM
Nov 2013

it is RW talking points that is forcing it to be a joke. Plenty of systems have gone wrong. Plenty of sub contractors have been bad. Usually companies can back out and go back to the old system, there is just no old system here. What they should have done is introduced it slowly. maybe a few states at a time. This is a huge system

I worked at Blue cross where incompetent consultants were a rule (and I say this as spending most of my career as a consultant) and a 6 year system had to be dropped because it was 10 times the original estimate and was never going to work. I had a friend work on a system fora brokerage that had to be backed out after a few hours because it threatened to take down the networks it interfaced with.

And you want to talk about the huge federal systems - try talking about the air traffic network. last I heard that was still simulating a computer from the 60's because no one has successfully been able to replace this system, they just don't talk about it because people would stop flying, people like me. I don't know how many times they tried to replace it, I think they finally did it piecemeal.

Why they did not expect it? I have no idea. But is it exaggerated - you betcha. I have seen a lot worse.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
3. I really think it was sabotaged.
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:20 AM
Nov 2013

Call me crazy, but this is just too convenient. There is too much corporate money involved, and if the ACA is a success, the insurance companies will no longer be making a killing off of sick people.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. It definitely was sabotaged politically, but if it was
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:13 AM
Nov 2013

hacked, I mean a suspicion of, the AG needs to launch an investigation.

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