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Why does a discussion of Rmoney's religion appear to be off limits (Original Post) malaise Mar 2012 OP
That's a great question. Firebrand Gary Mar 2012 #1
Corporations and all things white malaise Mar 2012 #5
Well, he's white, which means his religion is probably okay... Quantess Mar 2012 #2
Spitting coffee malaise Mar 2012 #3
A person can... lukkadairish Mar 2012 #4
I'm an atheist but if Obama has to explain attending an African American church then malaise Mar 2012 #6
You got it. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #18
Wingnut blogs attacked Obama for being a secret Muslin... pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #7
Hahahahaha malaise Mar 2012 #9
That is because the latter are good God fearing fabrics, you heathen! nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #38
Well! It's certainly inferior to pure cotton! Jazzgirl Mar 2012 #39
It's not off limits to me. MarianJack Mar 2012 #8
Well it's time to go country malaise Mar 2012 #10
I am surprised that Gingrich has left it alone liberal N proud Mar 2012 #11
i'd prefer we all admit that religion shouldn't have fuck all to do with governing........ piratefish08 Mar 2012 #12
Not so much off-limits as irrelevant, IMHO Owlet Mar 2012 #13
I like to understand the depths of nuttery the guy with the nuke trigger has bought in to. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #16
Nobody should ever mention that his family ran a notorious polygamist colony in mexico. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #14
Do you mean other than Article VI of the Constitution? longship Mar 2012 #15
What that means is that he can't be barred from office because he is Mormon KamaAina Mar 2012 #35
That is an excellent point cali Mar 2012 #17
Didn't Willard say that Obama is trying to change the essence of America malaise Mar 2012 #36
a very brief history... madrchsod Mar 2012 #19
Absolutely right Aerows Mar 2012 #31
He doesn't look even remotely Muslim lunatica Mar 2012 #20
The funny thing is that Evangelical Fundies probably have more in common with Islam aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #40
k and r panader0 Mar 2012 #21
He's not black. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #22
Why would we discuss that? Let the right wing MineralMan Mar 2012 #23
Are you complaining that Gingrich and Santorum groups aren't going after his religion? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #24
Romney believes that God communicated his plans to man in upstate New York in 1820. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #25
Mormons live in a glass house and they throw rocks siligut Mar 2012 #26
My only question about Romney's religion is whether it give him a secret political agenda starroute Mar 2012 #27
Not only a secret political agenda, but he has had secret support getting to where he is siligut Mar 2012 #28
Thank you for an excellent post malaise Mar 2012 #37
The only thing I like about Romney is that he doesn't mention God every two seconds aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #29
They are trying to keep this under wraps siligut Mar 2012 #30
k Go Vols Mar 2012 #32
It's not relevant. DearAbby Mar 2012 #33
Good luck ... GeorgeGist Mar 2012 #34

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
1. That's a great question.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:25 AM
Mar 2012

And a question that Romney needs to answer. Just goes to show you that media in general is designed to protect their own, corporations.

malaise

(269,067 posts)
5. Corporations and all things white
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:32 AM
Mar 2012

So African-American churches are anti-American blah, blah, blah, but Mormons are OK - ah well!!

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
2. Well, he's white, which means his religion is probably okay...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:29 AM
Mar 2012

Like, he probably doesn't dance around a fire with a bone through his nose, like Obama probably does whenever he's not being a muslim.

(/sarcasm)

lukkadairish

(122 posts)
4. A person can...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:30 AM
Mar 2012

A person can believe what they need and wish to believe when it comes to their faith. The rest of us can find that distasteful, whacky, nonsense, or whatever. I agree in that his faith base needs a little airing out: Mormonism's post death 'conversion/baptizing and one of their sect's polygamy practices call for open discussion. We can either be candid and open and real about it or we can scree on like Palin, Beck, and all the other pseudo faith leaders out there who really show their arse

malaise

(269,067 posts)
6. I'm an atheist but if Obama has to explain attending an African American church then
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:33 AM
Mar 2012

Willard Rmoney should explain his mumbo jumbo.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
18. You got it.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:50 AM
Mar 2012

I checked what Mormons believe. It is unreal. Other Planets. Special glasses. Top Hats with a rock in them. Wow. Ku-Ku.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
7. Wingnut blogs attacked Obama for being a secret Muslin...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:35 AM
Mar 2012

...which, I guess, must be inferior to polyester or rayon.

I love wingnut blogs.

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
11. I am surprised that Gingrich has left it alone
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:37 AM
Mar 2012

Totally shocked that he has not used it to try and stay in the race.

piratefish08

(3,133 posts)
12. i'd prefer we all admit that religion shouldn't have fuck all to do with governing........
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:37 AM
Mar 2012

yeah. i live in a dreamworld.

Owlet

(1,248 posts)
13. Not so much off-limits as irrelevant, IMHO
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:49 AM
Mar 2012

Who cares what church he does or doesn't go to? It sometimes seems to me that the very folks who want to keep religion out of politics are the same ones who want to insert it into the debate when it serves their purpose.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
14. Nobody should ever mention that his family ran a notorious polygamist colony in mexico.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:41 AM
Mar 2012

That would be wrong.

longship

(40,416 posts)
15. Do you mean other than Article VI of the Constitution?
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:41 AM
Mar 2012
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


That pretty much spells it out.

However, you can pretty damned much believe that Rmoney's Mormonism is a huge issue amongst the fundamentalist Christian right. They can't get away with saying so in public, but they are surely saying in private.

It will be interesting to look at polling data on this. The question is, will this help Obama in Nov? Do they hold their noses and take the Hobson's choice? Or do they stay home from the polls, or vote some third party wackaloon?
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
35. What that means is that he can't be barred from office because he is Mormon
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:53 PM
Mar 2012

in the Colonial period, Jews and even Catholics were often disqualified.

Like the First Amendment, Article VI protects you from government action. That is, Rush Limbaugh is free to call a woman a "slut" and a "prostitute" and demand to see sex tapes of her. He cannot be thrown in jail. However, his advertisers and affiliates are free to express their displeasure by dumping his show. Similarly, We the People are free to express our disgust with any and all aspects of Rmoney (of which, to me, his religion is a relatively minor one) by not voting for him.

malaise

(269,067 posts)
36. Didn't Willard say that Obama is trying to change the essence of America
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 04:04 PM
Mar 2012

I'd ask him what he means about that and if that view is based on the racism associated with his religion or if he's just a garden variety racist.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
19. a very brief history...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:55 AM
Mar 2012

the baptist `s have hated the mormons since the early 1800`s. in fact they were in a shooting war. over the years their hatred has dimmed a bit but deep down inside rmoney does`t have a chance in hell with the baptists.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
31. Absolutely right
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 01:18 PM
Mar 2012

I live in the South, and among Southern Baptists, his name is mud because he's a Mormon. I don't like him for too many reasons to list, but I ALWAYS get the Mormon jab in whenever I can among conservatives. I just love watching their faces fall when they realize he's probably going to be the nominee.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
40. The funny thing is that Evangelical Fundies probably have more in common with Islam
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 05:06 PM
Mar 2012

than they do with Mormonism. But they'd never admit that.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
23. Why would we discuss that? Let the right wing
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:13 AM
Mar 2012

do that. Romney's religion is a hot topic in that group. Let the Republicans destroy their own candidate. We needn't bother.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
24. Are you complaining that Gingrich and Santorum groups aren't going after his religion?
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:20 AM
Mar 2012

Well, as you say, racism would then be part of it; he's the same colour as them, while Obama is not. Also, he's a Republican, and they've been trying to build a coalition of all the right wing religionists, because they need every single one of them in the general election. Attack a fellow Republican for his religion, and you may well lose the votes of his sect in November.

I hope you aren't saying we ought to be imitating racist scumbags.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. Romney believes that God communicated his plans to man in upstate New York in 1820.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:23 AM
Mar 2012

Obama believes that God communicated his plans to man in Palestine in 0-34 AD.

Is one of these beliefs really a lot more credible than the other one?

siligut

(12,272 posts)
26. Mormons live in a glass house and they throw rocks
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:49 AM
Mar 2012

So they needed to develop an invisible force field, consisting of misinformation, media control, posing in the position of the victim/persecution and money. Feel free to add to this.

When the University of Washington elected a Mormon as president, the media made it look like the people questioning his appointment were being cruel, petty and prejudiced against his religion. It's like Mormonism is the new race card.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
27. My only question about Romney's religion is whether it give him a secret political agenda
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:33 PM
Mar 2012

I figure people are free to believe any wacky thing they choose as long as it doesn't slop over into real-world political decisions. But the Mormon Church appears to have serious political ambitions -- as suggested in part by it getting involved so deeply in the Prop. 8 mess in California -- and I want to know to what extent Romney is part of that.

(Looking at the Joseph Smith quote in the excerpt below, I'm also struck by the bit about God damning America. Bit of a Jeremiah Wright vibe there, don't you think?)

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/

When Mitt Romney received his patriarchal blessing as a Michigan teenager, he was told that the Lord expected great things from him. All young Mormon men — the “worthy males” of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as it is officially known — receive such a blessing as they embark on their requisite journeys as religious missionaries. But at 19 years of age, the youngest son of the most prominent Mormon in American politics — a seventh-generation direct descendant of one of the faith’s founding 12 apostles—Mitt Romney had been singled out as a destined leader. , , ,

Upon completion of his foreign mission, he immersed himself in the 1970 senatorial campaign of his mother, Lenore Romney, who was running against Phillip Hart in the Michigan general election. That same year, the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.

Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. He had predicted the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle. . . .

Out of Smith’s national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the “White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would “hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it. Romney is the product of this culture. At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the “One Mighty and Strong.”

siligut

(12,272 posts)
28. Not only a secret political agenda, but he has had secret support getting to where he is
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:39 PM
Mar 2012

He is so unqualified to be in the position he is in, he has had help from a powerful group with their own secret agenda.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
29. The only thing I like about Romney is that he doesn't mention God every two seconds
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:40 PM
Mar 2012

unlike Santorum. But in Romney's case, he doesn't mention God to the intolerant Republican Fundie base because he believes in the Mormon God Elohim, who lives on the planet Kolob, who visited Earth 2,000 years and impregnated the Virgin Mary with his divine penis. Can you imagine how long Romney would last if he revealed that Mormons believe Jesus was fathered by an alien from outer space?

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
33. It's not relevant.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 01:41 PM
Mar 2012

I don't subscribe to any organized religious belief. I think they are all cults (MHO)I also agree with the constitution of there being no religious tests regarding elected positions.

I won't lower myself to their standards. But let me put your mind at ease. Christians, especially those like Rev. Franklin Graham are very aware of the differences between "christianity" and "mormonism" They won't need our help.

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