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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy does a discussion of Rmoney's religion appear to be off limits
Wasn't Obama's church fair game for these racist scumbag ReTHUGS?
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)And a question that Romney needs to answer. Just goes to show you that media in general is designed to protect their own, corporations.
malaise
(269,067 posts)So African-American churches are anti-American blah, blah, blah, but Mormons are OK - ah well!!
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Like, he probably doesn't dance around a fire with a bone through his nose, like Obama probably does whenever he's not being a muslim.
(/sarcasm)
malaise
(269,067 posts)A great response
lukkadairish
(122 posts)A person can believe what they need and wish to believe when it comes to their faith. The rest of us can find that distasteful, whacky, nonsense, or whatever. I agree in that his faith base needs a little airing out: Mormonism's post death 'conversion/baptizing and one of their sect's polygamy practices call for open discussion. We can either be candid and open and real about it or we can scree on like Palin, Beck, and all the other pseudo faith leaders out there who really show their arse
malaise
(269,067 posts)Willard Rmoney should explain his mumbo jumbo.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)I checked what Mormons believe. It is unreal. Other Planets. Special glasses. Top Hats with a rock in them. Wow. Ku-Ku.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)...which, I guess, must be inferior to polyester or rayon.
I love wingnut blogs.
malaise
(269,067 posts)Noe even linen????
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)Jazzgirl
(3,744 posts)MarianJack
(10,237 posts)Any way we can sow discord in the rethug base is fine with me.
PEACE!
malaise
(269,067 posts)liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)Totally shocked that he has not used it to try and stay in the race.
piratefish08
(3,133 posts)yeah. i live in a dreamworld.
Owlet
(1,248 posts)Who cares what church he does or doesn't go to? It sometimes seems to me that the very folks who want to keep religion out of politics are the same ones who want to insert it into the debate when it serves their purpose.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)That would be wrong.
longship
(40,416 posts)The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
That pretty much spells it out.
However, you can pretty damned much believe that Rmoney's Mormonism is a huge issue amongst the fundamentalist Christian right. They can't get away with saying so in public, but they are surely saying in private.
It will be interesting to look at polling data on this. The question is, will this help Obama in Nov? Do they hold their noses and take the Hobson's choice? Or do they stay home from the polls, or vote some third party wackaloon?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)in the Colonial period, Jews and even Catholics were often disqualified.
Like the First Amendment, Article VI protects you from government action. That is, Rush Limbaugh is free to call a woman a "slut" and a "prostitute" and demand to see sex tapes of her. He cannot be thrown in jail. However, his advertisers and affiliates are free to express their displeasure by dumping his show. Similarly, We the People are free to express our disgust with any and all aspects of Rmoney (of which, to me, his religion is a relatively minor one) by not voting for him.
cali
(114,904 posts)and this post should stay bumped to the top of the page.
malaise
(269,067 posts)I'd ask him what he means about that and if that view is based on the racism associated with his religion or if he's just a garden variety racist.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)the baptist `s have hated the mormons since the early 1800`s. in fact they were in a shooting war. over the years their hatred has dimmed a bit but deep down inside rmoney does`t have a chance in hell with the baptists.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I live in the South, and among Southern Baptists, his name is mud because he's a Mormon. I don't like him for too many reasons to list, but I ALWAYS get the Mormon jab in whenever I can among conservatives. I just love watching their faces fall when they realize he's probably going to be the nominee.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Therefore it doesn't matter.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)than they do with Mormonism. But they'd never admit that.
panader0
(25,816 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)MineralMan
(146,318 posts)do that. Romney's religion is a hot topic in that group. Let the Republicans destroy their own candidate. We needn't bother.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)Well, as you say, racism would then be part of it; he's the same colour as them, while Obama is not. Also, he's a Republican, and they've been trying to build a coalition of all the right wing religionists, because they need every single one of them in the general election. Attack a fellow Republican for his religion, and you may well lose the votes of his sect in November.
I hope you aren't saying we ought to be imitating racist scumbags.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Obama believes that God communicated his plans to man in Palestine in 0-34 AD.
Is one of these beliefs really a lot more credible than the other one?
siligut
(12,272 posts)So they needed to develop an invisible force field, consisting of misinformation, media control, posing in the position of the victim/persecution and money. Feel free to add to this.
When the University of Washington elected a Mormon as president, the media made it look like the people questioning his appointment were being cruel, petty and prejudiced against his religion. It's like Mormonism is the new race card.
starroute
(12,977 posts)I figure people are free to believe any wacky thing they choose as long as it doesn't slop over into real-world political decisions. But the Mormon Church appears to have serious political ambitions -- as suggested in part by it getting involved so deeply in the Prop. 8 mess in California -- and I want to know to what extent Romney is part of that.
(Looking at the Joseph Smith quote in the excerpt below, I'm also struck by the bit about God damning America. Bit of a Jeremiah Wright vibe there, don't you think?)
http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/
When Mitt Romney received his patriarchal blessing as a Michigan teenager, he was told that the Lord expected great things from him. All young Mormon men the worthy males of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as it is officially known receive such a blessing as they embark on their requisite journeys as religious missionaries. But at 19 years of age, the youngest son of the most prominent Mormon in American politics a seventh-generation direct descendant of one of the faiths founding 12 apostlesMitt Romney had been singled out as a destined leader. , , ,
Upon completion of his foreign mission, he immersed himself in the 1970 senatorial campaign of his mother, Lenore Romney, who was running against Phillip Hart in the Michigan general election. That same year, the Cougar Club the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. If not Mitt, then who? was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the churchs founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an army of God advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them. Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. He had predicted the emergence of the one Mighty and Strong a leader who would set in order the house of God and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle. . . .
Out of Smiths national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the White Horse Prophecy a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber and the Mormon priesthood would save it. Romney is the product of this culture. At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the One Mighty and Strong.
siligut
(12,272 posts)He is so unqualified to be in the position he is in, he has had help from a powerful group with their own secret agenda.
malaise
(269,067 posts)Didn't know about any of this.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)unlike Santorum. But in Romney's case, he doesn't mention God to the intolerant Republican Fundie base because he believes in the Mormon God Elohim, who lives on the planet Kolob, who visited Earth 2,000 years and impregnated the Virgin Mary with his divine penis. Can you imagine how long Romney would last if he revealed that Mormons believe Jesus was fathered by an alien from outer space?
siligut
(12,272 posts)Pearls before swine you know, that is what they tell themselves.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)I don't subscribe to any organized religious belief. I think they are all cults (MHO)I also agree with the constitution of there being no religious tests regarding elected positions.
I won't lower myself to their standards. But let me put your mind at ease. Christians, especially those like Rev. Franklin Graham are very aware of the differences between "christianity" and "mormonism" They won't need our help.
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)with that role model.