Pit bull likely ate owner's hands

[XemaSab]

The pit bull that viciously attacked its owner on Monday likely ate the woman's hands, sources said.

Ann Murray, 65, lost all of one arm and the other up to the elbow in the attack, and suffered bite wounds all over her body, police said. The pit bull was shot and killed by the responding officer, after passing motorists called 911.

Murray was found under a car in her driveway, trying to shield herself from further attack.

Lt. Don Wakeman said Wednesday morning that police have not questioned Murray about what happened, but that they plan to "when she is able.''

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pit-bull-likely-ate-owner-s-hands-4980338.php

[yesphan]

1. What a ghastly and

horrifying experience for that poor woman.

[OregonBlue]

2. But of course pit bulls are no more dangerous than any other dog.

[avaistheone1]

4. Of course they are.

And in other news...


Baltimore Woman Mauled To Death By Her Pit Bull Was Previously Attacked
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/11/04/pit-bull-tranquilized-to-death-after-fatal-mauling-of-its-disabled-owner/

[lumberjack_jeff]

5. Your chihuahua would eat your hands too.

If they were big, aggressive and strong.

But then they'd call 'em something else, I guess.

[RebelOne]

24. My Chihuahua would eat any stranger's hamds

or feet if he or she broke into my house. She is a protective and mean little bitch.

[Enrique]

53. or if your hands are very tiny

[4 t 4]

58. but that is exactly the point

they're not, that is why Chihuahua's are safer !

[nomorenomore08]

76. For the most part they aren't. They may be somewhat more dangerous than average

but they're hardly the mindless, unstoppable killing machines some portray them as.

This is a horrific case, to say the least. But it shouldn't be used to tar an entire breed, unless you advocate getting rid of, say, German shepherds as well.

[Packerowner740]

79. I have two female German Shepherds and they both are extremely protective of me

They would attack to protect me but not to eat me, they would never attack me. It's in part the breed but a great deal of the training or lack of.

[nomorenomore08]

83. And I assume they've been properly trained and socialized, which is why you trust them.

GSD's, incidentally, have a considerably stronger jaw than ABPT's (AKA pure-bred pits) - which only makes sense considering they're much larger dogs.

[Packerowner740]

103. Yes they have. They will walk beside me off a leash as well as on the leash.

I take them in to Pets Mart when I shop so the can be used to other people. German Shepherds if I remember correctly have the first or second strongest bites of all dogs. Mine follow me where ever I go in the house, even laying outside the shower when I'm in it. The cat does as well. I am the master of the house

[krispos42]

94. I find the attempt to blame the breed as a whole similar to the concept of...

..."assault weapons".


Pit bulls are "assault dogs". Arbitrarily defined, hyped and over-reported in the corporate media for crass ratings purposes, and such an emotional topic that reasoned discourse is difficult.


I guess we should use the power of the federal, state, and municipal governments to wage culture war on anything that is deemed attractive to undesirable people?

[get the red out]

6. Horrific!!!!!

I can't imagine the horror of having your own pet attack you like that. When I was young I don't remember hearing of incidences with pet dogs like this, and nearly everyone had a dog. One neighbor had a young, untrained German Shepherd who would escape her fence and bark at people, one time she bit a friend of mine, but it was just a minor puncture wound, no more.

I love dogs, my own dog is a 30 lb herding dog type mix. She is so gentle that hearing about insane attacks, like happened to this poor woman, boggles my mind. The dog that did this was only 2 years old.

[avaistheone1]

7. They are dependable.

Pregnant Woman And Member Of Local Pit Bull Group That Advocated Against The Bad Rap Pit Bulls Receive - Killed By Her Own Pet Pit Bull

By Doug Robinson
I have tried not to say anything but, every time there is a pit bull attack Darla’s name comes up. People commenting about whom they think she was and what happened to explain away the simple fact that a pit bull killed her. HER PIT BULL KILLED HER.

People have said “She was white trash and that she must have abused her dog.” or “She fell off a ladder and the dog didn’t attack -- it only was trying to awaken her.” and “Her husband trained the dog to attack Darla.” I also heard she left Yakima because they outlawed pit bulls. In reality, Darla had been living in the Bay Area several years before she decided she had the time and the room to have pets...
http://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/08/father-of-darla-napora-killed-by-pet-pit-bull-writes-letter.html


Husband Forgives Pit Bull for Killing Pregnant Wife Darla Napora

Darla Napora, the 32-year-old pregnant Pacifica woman killed on Thursday, August 11, by her own pit bull is described as being an avid, long-time supporter and member of Bay Area Dog Lovers Responsible About Pit Bulls [BAD RAP],”…a group that does its best to convince people that pit bulls aren't really that dangerous..,” according to truecrimereporter.com. www.truecrimereport.com/2011/08/darla_napora_pregnant_pit_bull.php
Her husband, Greg, says he plans to have the pit bull’s ashes buried with his wife.

Greg Napora says when he left home at 8:00 a.m. his pregnant wife was asleep and the couple’s two unaltered pit bulls a—a two-year-old male, Gunner, and six-year-old female, Tazi—were in bed with her. He returned home about 12:15 p.m. from his construction job to take Darla to lunch and found Gunner in the living room, covered with blood and standing over the mauled, lifeless body of his wife. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/pit-bull-mauls-and-kills-pregnant-california-woman-darla-napora

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/husband-forgives-pit-bull-killing-pregnant-wife-darla-napora

What a guy!

[roody]

28. Unaltered?! That is not a rescuer.

spay and nueter is not negotiable. Sleeping with two unaltered dogs is dangerous, obviously.

[Avalux]

8. Anyone give it thought that the woman may have abused the dog?

Not all dog owners are kind and loving, hitting and kicking is horrific but I've seen it happen. Maybe that's why the dog would attack her, and consume her hands. It's something to think about.

[AngryAmish]

10. Or her skirt was too small or something...

[Avalux]

12. All possibilities should be considered.

Sometimes reality is not as clear cut as it seems. Maybe the dog was a rescue and had been abused by prior owners. That's a possibility too. It doesn't absolve the dog from attacking her, but might explain why.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

15. Lots of abused dogs get adopted and then cause problems for their new owners.

I have a friend who adopted a 2 year old Shepherd. They loved the dog dearly but said never again. Hundreds (maybe thousands?) spent on training/obedience classes. Muzzling the dog on walks was their ultimate necessary fix.

But that's not the point.

Where are all the stories of other breeds killing their ADULT owners or chewing off body parts?

Don't tell me these are ALL cases of mistaken identity. In one case the woman was a Pit fan and rescuer. Other cases, like this, the victims knew their own breed identity.

Where are all the stories of other breeds killing their owners? Killing adults?

[Nine]

22. I do remember a story about some toy breed, I believe, attacking its disabled owner while he slept.

I don't think this changes the fact that dogs bred to attack without warning (which is how dog fighting works) are more likely to attack without warning.

The people who argue that their pit bull would never attack like that because she's a "sweetie pie" are ignoring that animal instincts can overpower a normally gentle-seeming nature. That's why no dog of any breed should be left alone with an infant. That's why good dog owners don't startle their pets, don't mess with their food when they're eating, don't corner them, etc. They don't rely on a dog's good nature in these situations; instead they acknowledge the real risk of instinctive behaviors kicking in. As for the dog that attacked its owner as he slept - who knows what bizarre instinct was activated for that to happen?

The dog in this story was not neutered. The pit bull lobbyists on here will argue that this was the sole reason for its aggressive behavior. I wholeheartedly agree that leaving the dog intact was a huge risk factor. But so is the fact that the dog is of a breed that was created for the purpose of attacking and fighting.

ETA - Sorry, the unneutered pit bull was from another link in this thread, not the OP story.

[TorchTheWitch]

38. those stories exist

The problem with Pit Bulls, however, is that for a very long time they have been the breed of choice and most often among people that actually want a nasty dog thinking it will naturally protect them from others without considering that allowing a dog to act dominant or aggressive can and often is at some point going to be a problem for themselves.

For decades and decades there has always been a particular breed thought to be inherently bad dogs. It used to be Dobermans, and one time it was German Shepherds, etc. And when there is a popularity explosion of a certain breed a frightening amount of them end up in shelters and adopted out to new owners without those dogs being properly evaluated for temperament and with many if not most coming from homes where they had been abused.

Pit Bulls in the last couple of decades have become THE most popular dog breed particularly among unsavory people, and coupled with an explosion in the popularity of dog fighting in that same time frame simply creates an enormous amount of untrained, abused or owned by unsavory people dogs owned by people that want their dog to be nasty, so they not only allow dominant and aggressive behavior they encourage it.

Then there's also the media who is notorious for identifying dogs involved in attacks as being Pit Bulls or Pit Bull mixes when they aren't because it's obviously headline grabbing seeing as society now has a convenient hatred and misunderstanding of them. There are a number of dog breeds that resemble a Pit Bull but are not. At the same time, unless it's a really horrific attack the media also doesn't see fit to print those stories if the dog is obviously NOT a Pit Bull.

No dog breed is genetically dangerous. Genetics simply doesn't work that way. Some breeds of dogs may have a small percentage of a possible propensity to be people aggressive, but this is never written in stone. If the dog is raised and trained properly it's not something that one needs to worry about. But of course there is then the problem of most people not knowing HOW to raise and train their dog properly. Pit bulls do NOT have a propensity to be aggressive toward people which is exactly why they are THE choice of dog for dog fighting. No one that puts their dog through that kind of horrible abuse wants to do it with a dog that may have a tendency to be people aggressive since the one person that dog is going to want to eat the face off of is their abusive owner. The dog fighting world already made the huge mistake of attempting to use Presa Canarios as fighting dogs instead of Pit Bulls because of their larger size. Presa Canarios do have a people aggressive tendency and when abused by their master they will turn on them in a New York minute and eat their head. And that's basically what happened, so they quickly abandoned that idea and stuck with Pit Bulls but continually bred larger sized and more muscular ones though their temperament is going to be the same.

Of course when you have an enormous population of a certain breed of dog that is most often owned by nefarious people that encourage aggressive behavior with the stupid idea that by doing so it will encourage the dog to protect them magically without also being a danger to the idiots that own them and with sooooo many being abused and let loose to run wild or turned over to a shelter that just farms them out to new owners having no idea of the dog's temperament or about any past abuse it's going to be that breed that has the highest amount of dog attack incidents just because of their numbers alone. The popularity of the Pit Bull in that last couple of decades in incredible - far far more than any other "flavor of the times" dog breed ever. Go through any bad neighborhood or poor neighborhood or city neighborhood and damn near everyone owns at least one.

Those people that believe that Pit Bulls are somehow genetically dangerous just aren't using common sense, know about dog genetics or genetics in general and take no account of just how incredibly enormous the Pit Bull population is. Or they just purposely refuse to contemplate any info at all no matter how much you shove it in their face that disproves their opinion.

[nomorenomore08]

77. +1

I know it's a cliche, but the owner really is just as much the issue as the dog itself.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

32. Yeah, and when you think about that....

....you have to think about maybe someone told them "Rescue dogs are so wonderful" like we get tons of here....

It is not for everyone.

[phylny]

36. Our daughter and son-in-law had to give back a rescue just this month.

Long story short, the dog bit our daughter twice - the second time causing puncture wounds that needed medical attention including IV, IM and oral antibiotics. After the first time, she was cautious; after the second time, our daughter was DONE.

[Sheepshank]

49. at our rescue facilities, pit bulls are by far the most common breed up for adoption

I wonder why?

Are they more prevalent than any other breed?

[nomorenomore08]

78. In a way it is like adopting "problem" children with disabilities, behavioral issues, etc.

Takes a certain kind of person to handle a dog like that.

[4 t 4]

60. REALLY- SHE LOST HER HANDS !!

what are you thinking to post that reply ??

[4 t 4]

63. sick- SHE LOST HER HANDS

wtf ?

[Marrah_G]

29. Actually she might have been to easy with it

The dog might have seen her as beneath them in the pack. Never a good thing, especially with a large powerful dog. My guy has a Malamute and I have a Husky mix. We never, ever let them think they are anywhere but at the bottom of the pack. Even the cats rank higher then them It's pretty humorous watching the cat chase my husky/wolf around the house.

We also are always mindful about how powerful they can be and act accordingly around children, animals and well, everything.

[liberal_at_heart]

70. when we first brought home my husband's guide dog, he was a year and a half old. Our son

was about 9 and much smaller than the dog. The dog got it in his head that our son was lower in rank than he was. He started to play really rough with him and we became concerned the he could possibly bite him. We went through some training exercises with him and made sure he knew that no human being was beneath him in rank. From that day on he has been the sweetest, most loving dog.

[Marrah_G]

72. Awesome :)

Dog are actually much happier when they know their place in the pack.

[Packerowner740]

81. I recently got a female german shepherd, two months old when we got her

Our one year old rescue kitty definately lets her know who's the boss. Even though the puppy is now 7 months old she is still at the bottom of the pecking order in our house.

[4 t 4]

59. The few dog training shows I have watched

teach the owners to be rather mean and aggressive with these dogs ?

[baldguy]

74. This kind of moronic thinking leads to abuse & CREATES aggressive dogs.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Ugh. I'll bet it had a charming name, though.

Like "Pookums" or "Sweetsie" or "MuffyCakes" or "Cuddles".

[Hassin Bin Sober]

16. "Tuxedo"

[seveneyes]

11. Unpredictable

It makes one wonder how much more mauling by this breed go unreported nationally. Size does matter and lack of control kills.

[jazzimov]

13. I read threads like this and I have to wonder

do any of these posters believe in Science?

I keep reading posts about how unreliable the M$M is, and laughing at people who ignore Science by accepting Creationism or denying Climate Change, and then I read threads like this that ignore Science and support BSL based on M$M hysteria reports.

What's up with that?

[Nine]

17. I think it's ignoring science to insist that breeds don't have different instinctive behaviors.

A breed created to chase vermin will be more likely to go after vermin, a breed created to herd will be more likely to try to herd things, and a breed created to fight will be more likely to fight or attack. That anyone can deny this is mind boggling to me.

[IrishAyes]

23. Otherwise intelligent and decent people have deceived themselves into denial of this, y'know.

And they'll try to shred you for spreading vicious lies about their favorite breed. Science and intellect fly out the window when it comes to their darlings.

Listen, I raised chows for a long time. Loved them better than most people. But I never tried to fool myself about what they could do if provoked enough, and you'd better know dogs a helluva lot better than most people even think they do if you're going to be alert to canine communications. None of my dogs were ever allowed to precede me through a doorway, eat unless I fed them myself in special dishes and then they still had to wait for the verbal okay to eat. Etc etc etc.

[get the red out]

40. Yes and no

For most breeds/types/land races of dogs it is perfectly acceptable to be completely honest about their instincts and the behaviors intentionally bred into them. I wouldn't have Border Collie owners gathering in masses to tell me I'm a "racist" for admitting to keeping a close eye on my BC Mix, and verbally correcting her, to make sure she doesn't try to herd my young nieces when they are at our house. I doubt Chow owners are going to accost you for knowing your dogs' instincts and temperament either. Most dogs do not have a mass movement on the ready.

[IrishAyes]

42. Unfortunately, it seems that pit bulls do have mass movements at the ready, including online.

I've been excorciated by more than a few for daring to say I don't trust every pit bull implicitly. I've also notice that owners of loose or even free range dogs take heated exception to it when you have to pepper spray their darlings to keep from getting mauled. They'll scream that it's your fault in the first place and their dog was totally harmless and unoffensive. (I guess he just likes to charge at people with his head down and tail up, growling like he's got rabies, to say hi, welcome to my street.) I've had enough martial arts training and dog experience not to overreact, but try telling Proud Pappy that. I've had to tell a few of them that there's plenty of pepper spray left if they want a piece of the action. And I do make dog assault reports at the police station so it's on the record as a vicious animal in case of greater tragedy later on. That doesn't do the owners' property insurance any good!

[get the red out]

43. I agree with you

The mass movement has encompassed all my dog friends no matter what kind of dog they have. I could never voice any opposing musings on this issue to virtually anyone I know who is involved with dog sports without being thoroughly "educated" until my compliance was guaranteed. The first person I was ever enthusiastically educated on the idea that dogs bred for fighting could never be aggressive unless trained to be was someone who only owned Golden Retrievers, interestingly enough.

[IrishAyes]

46. I have to wonder what lies underneath this aberration.

But here's what an excellent psychiatrist friend (social, not professional!) had to say about it: IF subconcious human aggression doesn't come into play, very often - pit lovers, notice I did NOT say 'always'! - it's a desperate scramble for security in a daunting world. People being only human, they may well not have the slightest inkling of this, but it goes a long way to explain the brain farts some pit lovers experience. Pit lovers are not all rapacious thugs in the least; but refusing to believe mountains of evidence cannot be accurate or helpful.

They can close their ears to me if they want, but Larry's a noted forensic psychiatrist. It should be a little harder to ignore him.

[baldguy]

41. Science says the most reliable predictor of dog aggression is NOT the breed.

The predictive factors are: 1) not having the animal neutered (especially males), 2) active neglect or outright abuse, and 3) not properly socializing the animal with humans & other canines.

The breed doesn't matter.

Time and time again these factors are totally ignored in MSM stories like the article in the OP. Was the dog fixed? What were it's living conditions? And there's a huge red flag that the reporter totally neglects to follow up on - the dog's owner had previous contact with authorities in which she was forced to obtain a temporary license for the animal. What incident initiated that contact? The police and animal control don't visit a dog owner if she's being too good to the dog.

The purpose of articles such as posted in the OP is not to educate or inform, but to foster misinformation and fear.

[Nine]

45. Those are risk factors to be sure.

Along with keeping a dog on a chain.

But breed is a risk factor too. To say breed doesn't matter is just preposterous. A beagle is simply going to be way less likely to become aggressive than a pit bull is, even controlling for those other factors.

[baldguy]

57. What's preposterous is to falsely characterize millions of gentle, loving canine campanions

as "aggressive" because of the actions of a few bad owners who abuse & neglect their dogs.

[4 t 4]

61. I don't think it's so much about characterizing

it's really more about maybe size and strength ?? There are some treated great that go bad and some treated bad and never are anything but sweet, you just have to be prepared for anything because of the size and strength - n0?

[baldguy]

65. It is about characterizing. This is the primary goal of the disingenuous anti-Pt Bull posters.

For them, Pit Bulls are disposable lives.

[nomorenomore08]

80. Larger dogs in general (50+ lbs.) make me nervous. It's not breed-specific.

That said, I realize most pure-bred pits are only about 35-45 lbs., and that many of the vicious dogs ID'd as "pit bulls" by the media are either pit crosses (with a larger breed like a mastiff) or have no APBT in their genes at all.

So I don't blame anyone for being wary. What I do blame them for is excessively demonizing one particular breed.

[Orrex]

98. What's a pit bull, exactly?

You've never told us, yet you claim to love them.

Curious.

[BlueJazz]

99. They are here to serve Humans.

[4 t 4]

64. Sorry , I think you're wrong

The purpose of articles such as posted in the OP is not to educate or inform, but to foster misinformation and fear. I think it is simply to share an experience that really happened. why would these posters have interest in fostering " misinformation" are they part of the anti Pit Bull fear club ??

[baldguy]

67. Why did the cops visit in July? Why did they force the owner to get a temporary license?

Had the animal been fixed? What sort of training did the animal receive? What type of living conditions was it subjected to?

Simple questions which would ALWAYS be pertinent to diagnosing the reasons why such tragic incidents occur - and which would need to be included for such stories to actually convey useful information - BUT WHICH ARE NEVER ASKED!

It's not intended to educate or inform, but to foster misinformation and fear.

[MADem]

52. Yep. I have terriers.

One came to us as a baby--eight weeks old, small little thing, very needy. Raised and spoiled like an infant, coddled, pampered, etc.--never had any interaction with "vermin" and never had lessons on how to deal with the critters, either. Yet, visiting a home where there were field mice getting an idea that they could violate the sanctity of the place, my little "don't know nuthin' 'bout vermin" dog expertly killed a half dozen mice inside of a few minutes, and then went back for more--grab, shake, snap, fling, and on to the next...she was like a frigging machine. THRILLED at the opportunity, reveling in her expertise, and the homeowner was grateful, too. I didn't volunteer to pick up the carnage, but didn't need to!

[LostOne4Ever]

37. Exactly! Thank YOU!

Denialism is a cancer that needs to be destroyed. This is denialism at its worst. Fake experts, cherry picked data, moving goal posts, conspiracy theories, and fallacies out the wazoo.

[nomorenomore08]

82. Mass media hysteria is something that should always be questioned, at the least.

[Captain Stern]

14. I'm glad no one has used the phrase "biting the hand that feeds you" on this thread.

That would be totally inappropriate.

[Left2Tackle]

31. LOL, dinner came early

[4 t 4]

62. omg, that is not funny for a second

SHE HAS NO HANDS are you kidding - re think that post

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. It was just nannying the hand

Stop exaggerating, breedists!

[scheming daemons]

19. "likely"?

Is there an alternate theory as to what happened to her hands?

Strange headline wording.

[uppityperson]

20. "police have not questioned Murray about what happened" "dogs head being tested for rabies"

But nooooooooooooooooooooo, let's all jump to conclusions based on insufficient evidence and rant rant rant taunt rant because it is more FUN that way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gravitycollapse]

25. Why do you hate freedom?

[uppityperson]

26. mainly because half the people I was with believed it until I explained the situation to them

[nomorenomore08]

85. Seems like to some Americans, the most important right is the right to be stupid and ignorant.

So your comment, unfortunately, isn't just satire...

[Drahthaardogs]

33. the dog ate her hands

What conclusions can be jumped to

[nomorenomore08]

84. That the attack happened solely because of the dog's breed. A lot of folks seem to jump to that one.

[KamaAina]

21. The article does not specify whether the dog was an unneutered male.

The type of dog that is definitely more dangerous than other types of dogs is an unneutered male.

[baldguy]

39. Now, hold on there. Let's not let facts get in the way of a good bit of sensationalized hysteria.

[nomorenomore08]

86. Not disagreeing, but the only dog that ever seriously "menaced" me was a post-partum

female pit bull (named Blue for her coloring). For a few weeks, until her rightful owners took her away, I couldn't leave my room without being charged at (had to piss in beer bottles a few times). Only time in my life I've ever felt my safety genuinely threatened by a dog.

[gopiscrap]

27. holy shit!

[Left2Tackle]

30. That's why I always carry a nice juicy T-Bone with me.

Hopefully, she'll never own another dog again, but if she does I bet it will get fed often.

[ecstatic]

34. Those dogs cannot be domesticated" - Grieving dad

Quote from a grieving father whose toddler was viciously attacked & killed by their pit bull of 8 years.

[flvegan]

35. "Likely" + "imagination" = kneejerkery

Let me know when you have facts. Lets not Foxnews this so quickly.

Oh, wait...

[kenny blankenship]

50. Murray lost all of one arm and the other up to the elbow in the attack, and suffered bite wounds all

over her body, police said."

Maybe aliens stole her arms and the dog left bite marks all over her because he was trying to defend her against alien attack? I'll never understand why people insist on jumping to conclusions like Oh, the dog must have done it when "the truth is out there" still. Tractor beams are powerful!



Then again, it might have been vampires. Why blame the dog? Has Lloyd Blankfein been sighted in the area? There are so many more plausible explanations behind the observable facts. DON'T blame the dog. It's just silly to assume the dog is involved.

[nomorenomore08]

87. I think by "knee-jerkery" he meant blaming the attack on the dog's breed and nothing else...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

44. while pitbulls are prone to be aggressive towards other dogs, they are bred to be great to owners

and i am left wondering if something was physically wrong with the dog, if they mis0categorized the dog for a pitbull (cane corso) or whether the dog was abused

[IrishAyes]

47. "They're bred to be great to owners."

Is that why they maul so many of them?

[liberal_at_heart]

51. small dogs bite more than big ones do. Big dogs just do more damage when they do bite.

Big dogs that have loving homes and good owners bite very rarely. I have known several very sweet pit bulls that I have no problem being around.

[IrishAyes]

55. No amount of verbiage will dilute the fact that big dogs bred to fight are more likely to succumb to

those instincts than dogs bred for better purposes. In addition to the greater damage when they do.

My Jack Russell chases balls like a maniac because she was bred to pursue small game. My chows never had the slightest interest in chasing a ball on the other hand; they'd look at me as if to say, why did you throw that away in the first place if you wanted it? Don't look at US to fetch it back for you; go get it yourself, dummy.

Not to say they couldn't hunt; they did in a very coordinated way, but only if it meant potential food. They weren't the least bit interested in rubber. The JR on the other hand gets excited when I so much as pick up anything. She dances around begging me to throw it for her to chase. She only retrieves the balls because she knows I won't throw another until she does. Chasing anything that moves is what thrills her.

You don't think thoroughbreds are bred to stroll, do you? Or other horses for other purposes? What happens to the ones that fail to meet breed standard - off to the glue factory, that's what. Dogs are no different. If a bloodline turned out 'faulty' it would quickly be dropped. Fighting dogs have survived so long because they can be counted on to run true to breed. We're not talking about human beings here, who have more brains and reasoning capacity and at least some degree of free will. Awareness of dog breed behavior is NOT the same as prejudice against other groups of people. Yet the defenders of keeping dangerous animals will go to their own graves trying to support that false equivalency.

[nomorenomore08]

88. So do you think German shepherds, Dobermans, Rottweilers, should be banned as well?

Or only APBT's, who (in pure-bred form at least) are not as large or strong as the aforementioned breeds?

[RebelOne]

66. True. I have owned two pit bulls and two Rottweilers

and none of them had ever been aggressive toward humans. They are all in doggy heaven. I now have a Chihuahua that will attack any stranger that comes into the house. She is a real ankle biter and a mean little bitch.

[baldguy]

68. My Pit Bull is deathly afraid of little aggressive dogs.

When we come upon them while walking, she'll pull me away from them & try to hide behind me.

Like I would be able to protect her!

[Marrah_G]

54. Often it isn't a single dog, alot of times its a pack

With un-fixed males in it. Usually the problem is ignorance on the part of the owners.

[liberal_at_heart]

48. something was clearly either physically or psychologically wrong with this particular dog.

Even pit bulls that bite don't eat body parts of the person they bite.

[Kelvin Mace]

56. Rule #1 of pet ownership

Be smarter and have better survival instincts than the pet you own.

MANY people fail at this.

Different breeds of dogs were bred for specific traits. Dogs have a fairly defined social order. Failing to understand these key facts is going to wind up with someone getting hurt.

[seabeyond]

71. i thought she was smart, getting under the car. she survived. i lived across from a man

that first had three rotweiller and then had two pits. they were not nice dogs. and often got out. why he ended giving up the rots. they were picked up so often from animal control.

talking to a woman that had a rot and another big dog, she told me if his pits come out and i am at the back of my property, jump in the trash cans. hadnt thought of it. but, that was smart.

that is how the rest of us have to live because of the irresponsible with an animal that can kill.

i do not get the people that say... the owner.

i do not think the people being mauled really gives a fuck at that moment why the animal is mauling them.

[OregonBlue]

73. Dog Bite statistics tell us pit bulls and rottweilers are dangerous.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php

In the 8-year period from 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans and accounted for 60% of the total recorded deaths (251). Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for 73% of these deaths.

Breed Bodily harm Child Victims Adult Victims Deaths Maimings % of dog population

Pit bull 2235 911 806 233 1268 4.4%
Rottweiler 495 278 131 81 277 2.2%

I'm sure there are good pit bulls and good rottweilers out there. But statistics prove that many of them are very dangerous. They are only doing what their breed is bred to do. Which is why they should not be kept as pets.

[baldguy]

75. DogsBite.org is a notorious anti-Pit Bull site full of deliberate lies & misinformation.

but you knew that.

[OregonBlue]

92. Are you saying that pit bulls and rottweilers don't account for the vast majority of attacks?

I can post links to many, many sites and they all say the same thing.

[baldguy]

95. No, they don't.

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dogbites/dog-bite-related-fatalities/

If you actually look at anything that says otherwise, it will always reference the same misleading bullshit: Dogsbite.org and Merritt Clifton.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

93. There are dozens of sites with links

to actual pit bull behavior. It all points to the obvious fact that the pit bull dog has been bred to be aggressive and all have the potential to be dangerous. Many of the dogs that kill (and eat) people, have been raised in good homes since they were pups.

Pit bulls have been bred to attack with no provocation or warning. My own dogs, Australian Shepherds, are growly dogs, but there is no follow up. They are bred that way. They growl at the cattle to keep them in line and it's all part of their job. A pit bull is doing its job and being a good pit bull when it attacks another animal or human. No, they did not cull the human killers out of the breed.

As an animal lover, who owns cows, horses, dogs and cats, I will be very happy if the pit bull breed disappears forever. And to be clear with you one more time, I am not calling for the killing of all pit bulls. I would like to see the day when they are all sterilized and another pit bull pup never gets the chance to grow up and kill a child or rip the face of a donkey.

Here are just a sample of the sites with links to what pit bulls are up to;


https://www.facebook.com/safedogsociety

https://www.facebook.com/PitbullBan

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Inside-the-Dark-Dark-Sick-Minds-of-Pit-Bull-and-Other-Dangerous-Dog-Owners/453015228067088

http://www.ultimatepitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1168&start=20

Warning; very graphic images.

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/pit-mauling-detroit-medical-report.pdf

[baldguy]

96. And you're the worst of the anti-Pit Bull dog haters.

You see dogs who are the victims of neglect, torture and abuse, and your only solution is to neglect, torture & abuse them some more - along with any other dog that has the slightest bit of resemblance to them.

Animal lover, my ass.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

100. You are a poor a judge of people as you are dogs.

I hate what they have been bred for. I hate what they have done. I hate that you are trying to promote them as good pet dogs, just because you happen to have a pit bull that hasn't attacked anyone or their pets.

You can't bring yourself to just enjoy your dog for all of her natural life. You can't just love her till she dies of old age in your arms, can you?. You want to encourage the breeding of millions of other pit bulls puppies. Millions that end of being unwanted and put to sleep. You have to encourage people with little children and small pets to welcome these dogs into their homes as good pets. Because you have a good pit bull.

[baldguy]

102. And your wish for unwarranted genocide is an indication of your character.

Or lack thereof.

Pit Bulls ARE good pets. The fact that there are millions living as valued & valuable additions to loving families provides absurdly overwhelming evidence of that. There are a few that are abused, neglected, mistreated, tortured and even killed by the humans are supposed to care for them BUT THAT MAKES THE PIT BULLS THE VICTIMS!! And you want to abuse, neglect, mistreat, torture & kill all Pit Bulls for the "crime" of being a victim, instead of punishing the perpetrators of these vicious acts.

[magical thyme]

69. so the dog was unlicensed and likely not vaccinated for rabies

and been left running loose in the neighborhood on multiple occasions in the past. As soon as I know a dog owner has not licensed their dog, I question whether they're vaccinated, neutered, and how else they're treated, beyond the blatant neglect. And her son was convicted of 1st degree robbery and then convicted of violating his probation, so I suspect the home life was less than ideal.

This sounds like a winner of a family and exactly the kind of people who should NOT have large, high energy breeds that require responsible, knowledgeable care and training. They took the dog's head to test for rabies.

I suspect there is a lot more to this story than the sensational "pit bulls are monsters" type headline.

[nomorenomore08]

89. He got probation for first-degree robbery? Sorry to go off-topic, but am I reading that right?

[magical thyme]

91. yup, that's how I read it. 5 year suspended sentence

"Ian Murray was given a five-year suspended sentence after he was found guilty of a 2005 robbery and conspiracy to commit first-degree robbery. He was also found guilty of violating his probation in 2010 in connection with that case."

[nomorenomore08]

90. On the one hand, I don't really blame people for responding irrationally to such a horrible, lurid

case. On the other hand, I don't think such reactions are particularly helpful. Not least because it may create a false sense of security RE: large, strong dogs who don't happen to be pit bulls (or "pit bulls&quot .

[Orrex]

97. I refuse to believe that this happened until we see the dog's DNA

Obviously, it couldn't have been a pit bull, because they're great and loving dogs and they were nanny dogs and they love people and kids and would never hurt a soul and even if they did maul someone to death it was the fault of the owner because pit bulls are good and anyway you can't prove that this is a pit bull because even apologists can't really identify pit bulls except by certain characteristics but if non-apologists try this then it's invalid.

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

101. unless, they rescue a family from a housefire

Then they are absolutely 100per cent certainly pit bulls.