Blue Dog Bubba should just SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

[boomerbust]

If he thinks this rubbish is somehow going to help Hilary gain the White House, forget it. Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016.

[LuvNewcastle]

1. He's in full 'Go Hillary' mode.

He'll throw anybody under the bus between now and election day 2016 if he thinks Hillary might have something to gain from it. All that's on his mind is, "how can I use this situation to benefit Hillary?"

[Fumesucker]

3. Mr and Mrs President has such a glorious ring to it, eh? n/t

[LuvNewcastle]

6. Like William and Mary all over again.

[Lizzie Poppet]

9. A politician behaving like a politician? How shocking!

[karynnj]

48. This makes no sense though - Hillary is very likely to want the support of the

Obama team. Techniques in electioneering change quickly and these are the most experienced Democrats.

All I can think of is that Bill is hypothesizing that Obama by 2015 will be as low in popularity as Bush and that a theme of return to the 90s (and change from Obama) will work. (Personally, I don't get how you ignite desire for change then have it aid someone who has been powerful for at least 25 years.)

[LuvNewcastle]

56. The American Public are not logical.

Like you said, Bill is betting that Obama isn't going to be popular at the end of his term. Hillary was a big part of his administration, so they have to start distancing Hillary from Obama now. Before it's all over, everyone will believe that Hillary had nothing to do with Obamacare and was telling Obama where he was going wrong at every turn, but he wouldn't listen to her. She had to resign out of frustration.

You're right, it doesn't make sense for those who want change to elect an old warhorse like Hillary, but voters are going to have everything so twisted in their heads 3 years from now, the facts they know will be replaced with what's been suggested with innuendo from political ads and tv 'news' stories.

Re-writing history was the main character's occupation in "1984." We see it done in politics, media, and advertising all the time. It's why Americans are so damn ignorant of history. Their brains can't decide whether to go with their memory or the re-telling of the story as it's been related to them.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

2. amen boomer, couldn't have said it better myself. go lizzzzy!

[BlueCaliDem]

4. I'm pretty baffled why he'd say something as unhelpful

as he had which, he should know, will be taken out of context by Corporate Media that are now on a full-out war path with the Obama Administration.

Uneffingbelievable.

[Whisp]

20. I think it's one of those tantrum things he gets.

Most likely something didn't go his way (lots of things in the background like the Clinton Foundation investigation, the State Depart one when Hillary was SoS, and who knows what else - maybe he's not getting the promises to support Hillary for Pres. as much as the media is saying) and he lashes out in this way.

He seems to specifically attack the President tho. So I really hope, one day when some stories come out, we get to hear how Obama held up against the big bully (I consider the Clintons both bullies) and the big bully cries to the media in this way for revenge.
What with his idiot 'wuss' on Syria thing, his support of Romney & Bain, his really, really awkward support and kindess for the Bushes, shit like that.

[Beacool]

27. Do you ever think before you write or do you write whatever pops into your head,

regardless of whether there's any validity to it?

[Whisp]

30. any thoughts on what I said?

We do know that the Investigations are real. I know you would rather they be not in Fantasyton Land. But they are.

Also, the examples of Bill indirectly calling the President a 'wuss', is real, is documented. Same with Romney and same with the Mass Murdering Chimperor (who I am to believe is a nice guy now, a brother like character? fuck that shit).

But you are saying I am making all this up. That these things mysteriously popped up in my head out of thin air and no basis.

I think you should take something for those shakey eyes of yours. It's making you lose perspective on reality.

[Beacool]

37. No, because you never write facts.

You write emotional comments, mere opinions and suppositions that have nothing to do with the events at hand.

[Whisp]

39. really? Now that is very interesting.

The Fact that you are in total denial of some of the realities in the Clintonsphere.

[DonCoquixote]

54. question

did or did not Clinton you the term "wuss" to say that Obama needed to be tough on Syria, or else be seen as a wuss.?

[Lifelong Dem]

68. Yeah he sure did

And Obama seemed to handle Syria very well. He will also handle Obamacare very well. He didn't say Obamacare will be his last campaign for nothing.

[karynnj]

49. I totally missed the Syria "wuss" comments - he was in line with McCain!

(I found several links on it from google - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/13/bill-clinton-obama-may-look-like-a-wuss-over-syria.html

You wonder if the former Secretary of State, who with Petraous, backed more support for the rebels may have been part of the reason that Saudi Arabia thinks we promised more. If so, I am grateful for the clear statements of both the Secretaries of war and state that we do want to fight their civil war. Here is Kerry speaking in Saudi Arabia -
[div class = "excerpt"]
In what may have been the frankest description to date of administration views, Kerry said at the news conference that “absent a negotiated solution, we don’t see a lot of ways to end the violence that are implementable or palatable to us, because we don’t have the legal authority or justification or the desire, at this point, to get in the middle of the civil war.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/kerry-meets-with-saudi-king-abdullah-amid-policy-differences-on-mideast-issues/2013/11/04/4dbf204a-4554-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story_1.html

[Snotcicles]

5. Elizabeth Warren/Sherrod Brown. nt

[truebluegreen]

7. Warren/Grayson 2016!

[sabrina 1]

15. Grayson/Sanders n/t

[Whisp]

21. I'm not really a fan of Grayson's tactics but

Warren/Grayson.

doesn't sound too bad at all! Only thing is he does say some really strange stuff (way way worse than Biden is accused of) and that could distract Warren and make for attention to him and not her work.

hmmm. Anyway, lots of time to think about it.

[NCTraveler]

8. Al Gore felt the same way. nt

[NM_Birder]

10. wow.......

Bill Clinton called a "Blue Dog",...and told to "Shut the Fuck Up"...... on Democratic Underground. He must have said something critical regarding President Obama.

Don't know but I'll go see.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. "Bill Clinton called 'Blue Dog',...and told to "Shut the Fuck Up"

And called "Bubba" as well, which is kind of a dog whistle for "racist!"

[Hell Hath No Fury]

47. Bil Clinton -

IS a Third Way/Blue Dog Democrat -- he practically invented the damned political position. Nothing wrong with telling the Truth. And not all of us who say that are fans of O.

[Beacool]

11. Yeah, because it's Bill's fault that the administration made a promise that it can't keep.

Durbin even admitted that neither he nor Obama should have kept telling people that they could keep their plan if they wanted to do so. Now people are furious. Don't get me wrong, I think that it's the insurance companies' fault, but if people want to keep their crappy coverage they should be entitled to do so.

But of course blame Bill, because to the Left if it isn't Bush's fault, then it must be Clinton's fault.

As for your ticket, let me laugh now. The bloated governor of my state has a better chance of winning than those two.

[Wilms]

12. It ain't Warren's fault.

[Beacool]

17. What does that pic have to do with this conversation?

[Wilms]

23. What does that pic have to do with Democracy?

Much better question.

[Beacool]

29. NY senator with one of her constituents.

There are literally thousands of pics of Hillary with people of all sorts. I still fail to see the point of posting that pic.

[Wilms]

53. Which explains her popularity.

There are many who "still fail to see the point".

But hey. It's a "woman's turn" and stuff. Like it's a high school popularity contest.

[Dreamer Tatum]

34. I think the poster is impugning your avatar. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

14. People who had single year policies that they had to renew every year?

Why is that Obama's fault if people don't understand how their Insurance works? It's not. It's the industry's fault. The industry offered these crap policies in the first place, and now they're not allowed to rip people off for obscene low levels of "coverage", and so they're not renewing an annually renewed policy.

What Obama meant was, for the majority of people in Employer-sponsored plans, things would not change. The people who don't understand why they're "losing" a policy that is cancelled every year and restarted anyway, don't understand the difference between buying a drink and getting free refills.

[sabrina 1]

16. Of course it's the corrupt industry's fault. And that is why most of us Progressive Dems opposed

handing them public funds to manage, saving their failing rear ends when the opportunity arose to remove them as 'middlemen', but we were shouted down.

They wrote the Health Insurance Bill and it was pushed by Blue Dogs.

Now, can we take the bull by the horns, use their weapons against them, tell them 'we did it your way and you're correct, it isn't working, so now let's do it right. Let's put a National HC policy in place and dispense with all these convoluted, complex policies of who is and who is not entitled to live'?

[Warren DeMontague]

61. I think that's an excellent idea.

And one that doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell, given who controls the House.

[sabrina 1]

65. 'Never venture, never win'

Lots of things in history seemed impossible and not worth trying, until some people came along and decided to do the impossible.

But so long ans no one tries, the claims that it isn't possible become self-fulling prophecies.

[Warren DeMontague]

66. I agree. At least getting the message out.

Legislatively I think, unlikely. But certainly putting the blame for these issues at the feet of where they belong; the for-profit Insurance Industry- would be a start.

[sabrina 1]

67. True with the current make-up of Congress, on both sides for the most part. If we really set the

goal to change the make-up of Congress, even it meant running Dems as Independents or whatever it takes to slip in as many Progressives as possible, it could happen. Which is why I am not wasting time on the 2016 Presidential election. I don't know why so much effort is put on that race. The President is just one person, but if we had a true, Progressive Congress filled with FIGHTERS who actually READ the bills they sign off on depending on who is funding them, the President, if s/he was a Progressive would be unstoppable and if s/he was a Republican moron, would have little power to implement any more Corporate legislation.

We have two Congressional elections coming up in the next three years. That gives us a huge opportunity to throw out the garbage and start all over. IF we wanted to and refused to be distracted by the premature 'campaign' for the 2016 WH election.

It is possible, but it will only become probable if the Liberal Groups, Unions and Advocacy groups get serious about NOT funding Corporate Candidates and put the huge amounts of money they usually donate to the DNC behind the Progressive Candidates who don't get much help from the party leadership. Iow, don't leave this to the party anymore. It's time for the people take control of who they get to vote for. We have not been well-represented.

[Beacool]

18. It's not Obama's fault.

But what they meant and the way they said it were two different things. What the administration shouldn't have done is promised people that they could keep their insurance plan if they chose to do so. We know that these plans are crappy, but if some dopes want to keep them, then they should be able to do so.

[Whisp]

24. please proceed, Ms. Beacool. :)

[Beacool]

25. Please stop boring me.

[Warren DeMontague]

62. They did keep their insurance plans. Until they ran out. Because the plans are only 1 year plans.

When you rent a hotel room for a night, do you have a fit if they don't let you stay there for a week?

[tularetom]

38. After the success Clinton had with health care reform he is certainly qualified to criticize

Oh wait...

[Beacool]

51. Are we living in the early 90s?

Didn't think so. Different times, different historical perspectives.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

60. The irony is that 20 years ago, Bill said the exact same thing re: his health care plan.

I'm not on anyone's side. I want all of us to come together. Bill is making that very tough right now. He should not have said what he did. Even if he did say good things about the ACA, he ought to know that the Corporate Media--the media HE deregulated in the mid-90s, I might add--will only focus on the one bad thing he said about the ACA. Bill knows this. He knows better. Which is why it is difficult to believe that he didn't do this deliberately.

[Lifelong Dem]

69. And we all know what Obama was saying

Diane Sawyer followed up in her interview with the president.

"People have been hearing you say these words," Sawyer said, "about 'If you like your doctor — '"

"Yeah," said President Obama.

" ' — you'll keep your doctor, period. If you like your — '"

"Right," the president interjected.

"' – -health plan, you'll keep your health plan, period.' Yet, I thought today in the press conference I heard you amend it to say, 'If your employer decides to change it, we don't have control over that.' So– "

"Whoa, whoa, whoa," said the president "But, of course, there, I mean, that's, that's the case whether we pass health care or not. I mean, the, look, the, the, the fact is that right now, all across the country, people are losing their health care. Every day. You, you can travel into Washington, D.C. And you'll find somebody on the street whose employer just dropped them from health care. Or who has decided to increase their deductibles. Or increase their premiums."

Continued the president, "So, those choices are being made by employers constantly, right? I can't pass a law that says, 'I'm sorry, employers, you can never make changes to the health care plans that you provide your employees.' What I can say is that the government is not going to force you to, your employer or you to join a government plan, for example. If you're happy with it, and your employer's happy with it, keep it."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/06/more-on-the-if-you-like-your-health-plan-youll-keep-your-health-plan-promise/

[L0oniX]

13. That fucker destroyed Haiti, fucked US workers and fucked people who needed welfare.

[HijackedLabel]

22. I was on Team Hillary until his attempts to marginalize the White House.

Now I'm not so sure.

I am of the opinion that Democrats should work to support the agenda of the executive branch when their party is in power... not their own or criticism of it.

[Whisp]

26. One of the Democrats greatest weaknesses is

the Clintons. They are like mafia in that world. That is so repugnant, and that is why I will never accept them as Democrats, but more as Republicans. Maybe his brother, George W. Bush got the idea of Oaths from the Clintons, as they did something similar in the early 90s. Either you were in the club and and insider or you were out. The Family. The front seat was taken by this rather than the american people and voters.

[Beacool]

32. They are the most popular Democrats in the nation.

As you do not live in this country, who cares if you accept them as Democrats? Millions of Americans do.

[Whisp]

36. Ah, I see. Now I'm a 'Furiner' again.

and seeing as the US has No Influence at all on my country or any other - I should just STFU, this socialist commie should not be able to speak freely.

hahaha. I love it when you step into it all by yourself, Beacool.

[Beacool]

40. Yes, if you have the gall to tell us who is a "real" Democrat.

I don't believe in censorship, but gut reactions with no real thought are annoying.

[Whisp]

41. I'd be more than real if I drooled over Hillary.

My Furiner status would be revoked on the spot!

[Beacool]

44. You just keep proving what I wrote.......

[HappyMe]

43. Actually telling somebody from another

country that their opinion doesn't matter is censorship.

[HappyMe]

35. I'm not on the Clinton bandwagon.

I don't understand his motivations in trying to undermine the current Dem WH.

But I suppose this makes his wife fair game if she wins the WH.

[Beacool]

42. As if she wouldn't be "fair game" even if she doesn't run in 2016.

The crap I read in this site is just as bad as one reads on RW sites. After a while, it's hard to tell the difference.

[HappyMe]

45. lol!

Anybody that isn't worshipping Clinton is a RWer to you.

Do you say the same thing about unfair criticism of Obama?

[Beacool]

50. I didn't say that.

What I said is that I see the same crap written here that I see on RW sites.

[HappyMe]

52. In relation to the current President?

Or only Clinton?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

57. Per some here, you are "authoritarian" for believing so

Of course, it just makes goddamn SENSE that leading Democrats should support one another on the issues they agree with each other on.

This is bullshit.

[JustAnotherGen]

28. Link to what he said?

[McXorsett]

55. A link would go against the argument that Clinton is trying to harm Obama

Because if a link to his interview was posted, we would learn that he 1) said the nation is better off with Obamacare than without it, and 2) downplayed the faulty start of the health care website, noting that such problems happened to Medicare in the 90's and got fixed.

In order to trash Clinton, it is necessary to pretend that his opinion about people keeping their insurance was the only thing he said in that interview.

Don't expect quotes either.

[Beacool]

63. The only quote you will see is the one that the media keeps repeating ad nauseam.

This place is Pavlovian in their response to anything Clinton. Come to think of it, after a while, the expressions of hate become funny.

[riqster]

31. He has SO MUCH credibility when it comes to implementing health care reform

[jwirr]

33. There are a number of things he did in histerms that make me wonder what she would do differently.

[seabeyond]

46. he sabotages her. not the first time. and sure it will not be the last. nt

[TwilightGardener]

58. Nice reminder, though, of why I won't support these two going back to the WH.

8 years were enough. No mas.

[Laelth]

59. Agreed.

btw, you can pick up a Warren 2016 banner for your sig. line, if you're interested, here.



-Laelth

[Beausoir]

64. CDS. LOL.

I listened to his full remarks and laughed knowing a few unstables here would spray their shorts over it.
Like clockwork.
He said nothing offensive to Obama.

[Chuck Smythe]

70. I don't think anyone should be told to "shut up."

I think people should express their disagreements in a polite and civilized way. Being mean is a reflection on the person who is being mean, not on the person who the meanness is targeted at.

I happen to think we should repeal Obamacare and replace it with a one page bill that lets everyone sign up for Medicaid. So I don't agree with Clinton or Obama. But I don't want to yell and scream at them to "shut up."