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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:43 PM Nov 2013

2nd NM man reports forced anal exams by local police

Yesteday a DU post about a man subjected to horrendous forced and illegal medical treatment because local cops insisted he had drugs in his anus.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023981384

The same local news station that reported theyhave now heard from a 2nd male victim:

Our investigation reveals another chapter. Another man, another minor traffic violation, another incident with Leo the K-9 and another example of the violation of a man's body.

Police reports state deputies stopped Timothy Young because he turned without putting his blinker on.

Again, Leo the K-9 alerts on Young's seat.
Young is taken to the Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City, and just like Eckert, he's subjected to medical procedures including x-rays of his stomach and an anal exam.

Again, police found nothing, and again the procedures were done without consent, and in a county not covered by the search warrant.

We've learned more about that drug dog, Leo, that seems to get it wrong pretty often.
He might be getting it wrong because he's not even certified in New Mexico.


http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3210356.shtml#.UnpoOVO33rN
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2nd NM man reports forced anal exams by local police (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 OP
Why aren't they filing lawsuits? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #1
The first victim did. This one might, too. If they didn't.....well, I can see how a victim msanthrope Nov 2013 #2
First guy is...see here dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #3
the PD has offered out of court settlement KurtNYC Nov 2013 #6
The hospital billed the victim? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #8
1 million is no where near enough. Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #10
I think the article said at least a million. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #14
Nicely stated Jimmy1 Nov 2013 #21
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #24
This wasn't malpractice. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #15
ER doctors do not get paid by the hour or salary. Incitatus Nov 2013 #27
"Malpractice" implies errors in treatment... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #28
I agree. Incitatus Nov 2013 #31
Paid or not, they participated in a crime. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #32
If you were a judge (or a defense attorney), what justification would you use to limit malpractice AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #33
These doctor's have been reported to the state licensing board. Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #4
The doctors committed sexual assault. jsr Nov 2013 #25
Exactly. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #29
The dog seems to be doing what dogs do.......... Historic NY Nov 2013 #5
Going where no cop has gone before FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #7
I wondered that as well Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2013 #35
These cops are sick... joeybee12 Nov 2013 #9
Texas State and Austin Police 4Q2u2 Nov 2013 #11
The cops will rely upon an expansive reading of the Supreme Court's 2012 Florence case. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #12
I read the first case, and didn't see where a dog was involved. BeeBee Nov 2013 #13
The dog was mentioned in the lawsuit. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #16
Also interesting..the first case involved TWO police stops. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #17
I would also go after the judge. n/t BeeBee Nov 2013 #20
Welcome to Deming knightmaar Nov 2013 #18
As a former forensics student, I'd like to know who trained this drug dog. TxDemChem Nov 2013 #19
A good lawyer would be asking that question, for sure. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #22
Ah yes. I think my dad got out of a ticket by TxDemChem Nov 2013 #26
hope for the deparment's sake that the dog was certified. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #36
Okay, these incidents have reached a new low. TxDemChem Nov 2013 #40
There's gold in them thar hills! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #23
Or in them thar buttes? csziggy Nov 2013 #37
Anybody want to start a betting pool . . . Brigid Nov 2013 #30
I would guess a shitload Fumesucker Nov 2013 #34
I wonder how many people paid these cops to make this go away? hedgehog Nov 2013 #39
ROSWELL!!!! Rstrstx Nov 2013 #38
Does anyone know the race of these victims? Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #41
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. Why aren't they filing lawsuits?
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:52 PM
Nov 2013

It seems they have an open and shut case. Until these out of control cops start getting hit hard in the pocketbook they'll continue to be thugs.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
2. The first victim did. This one might, too. If they didn't.....well, I can see how a victim
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:59 PM
Nov 2013

in this situation might be hesitant to publicize what happend to them. It's rape and assault afterall.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. First guy is...see here
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:59 PM
Nov 2013

bottom of this earlier report has copy of lawsuit.
I would imagine #2 victim will be filing also
and
any other victims will be coming forward.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml?cat=500#.UnkAjpFAeiK

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
10. 1 million is no where near enough.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 02:19 PM
Nov 2013

Take the pigs pensions and make sure those doctor's wasted hundreds of thousands on their education for nothing.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
14. I think the article said at least a million.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:28 PM
Nov 2013

I think it should be in the tens of millions. What we have is a conspiracy between local cops, county sheriffs, prosecuting attorney, a hospital, and several doctors to violate civil rights, commit armed assault, battery and rape. There might be additional crimes, like lying to the warrant-issuing judge, also.

Jimmy1

(2 posts)
21. Nicely stated
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:53 PM
Nov 2013

The Police and DA's office do not want to take this case to court. Yes, they know they'll loose....but more importantly, law enforcement does not want a judicial ruling that this type of police abuse is illegal.

When Eckert's attorney contacted the DA's office they immediately offered to settle.

I hope his attorney refuses to settle and the case goes to a jury trial. The "law enforcement" officers should suffer some consequences other than 'paid administrative leave'.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
27. ER doctors do not get paid by the hour or salary.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:40 PM
Nov 2013

They got paid for what they did while knowing it was wrong and they should have known their actions pertaining to the warrants were illegal, for the county and time limits cited in the warrants.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
28. "Malpractice" implies errors in treatment...
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:46 PM
Nov 2013

...due to carelessness or ignorance. What we have in this case is a deliberate criminal act....not carelessness or ignorance. The doctors at the first hospital, who refused to comply based on ethical standards, got it right.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
31. I agree.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:52 PM
Nov 2013

My point is these doctors paid by doing the procedures than if they refused on ethical standards.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
32. Paid or not, they participated in a crime.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:03 PM
Nov 2013

A crime which the hospital allowed to be committed on their premises. There's a hell of a lot of guilt and liability to go around. I can only assume the hospital sending the victim a bill is some sort of feeble attempt to absolve them of culpability...but it won't fly for a jury.
Additionally...IIRC liability insurance doesn't kick in if a crime is committed. So chances are the police, doctors, and hospital are going to pay out of pocket. I hope it financially ruins them.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
33. If you were a judge (or a defense attorney), what justification would you use to limit malpractice
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:49 AM
Nov 2013
to only negligence?

Is there universal agreement that malpractice is limited to negligence?

Here's a sample definition found with one legal dictionary:
malpractice n.
"An act or continuing conduct of a professional which does not meet the standard of professional competence and results in provable damages to his/her client or patient. Such an error or omission may be through negligence, ignorance (when the professional should have known), or intentional wrongdoing. ..."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/malpractice

jsr

(7,712 posts)
25. The doctors committed sexual assault.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:34 PM
Nov 2013

There was no legal authority for them to perform any of the procedures.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
29. Exactly.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:48 PM
Nov 2013

And they should be prosecuted, along with the cops, sheriffs, and DA who conspired and collaberated in the crime.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
35. I wondered that as well
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:30 AM
Nov 2013

What ordinary person, out shopping, starts shoving things up their butt when they get pulled over? A corrections officer/jail cop probably thinks it's normal human behavior to do that. In their eyes we're all criminals.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
9. These cops are sick...
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 02:11 PM
Nov 2013

I fully expect more incidents to come out...don't ask why, just a gut reaction.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
11. Texas State and Austin Police
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 02:54 PM
Nov 2013

I believe they were doing this as well as on the side of the road Vaginal exams. Nothing says Freedom like the police probing your body cavities.




http://benswann.com/warrantless-vaginal-searches-conducted-by-texas-police/

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
12. The cops will rely upon an expansive reading of the Supreme Court's 2012 Florence case.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:07 PM
Nov 2013
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/10-945

"Albert Florence wasn't driving the car when it was pulled over on May 3, 2005; his wife April was. The officer asked the owner of the BMW to identify himself, and when Florence obliged, he was taken under arrest. An erroneous warrant (later attributed to a computing error) was the culprit. Florence was frustrated but wasn't surprised by the mistake. As the lawyer charged with arguing his case, Tom Goldstein, later deadpanned on The Daily Show, he had been arrested for "being black."

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-the-supreme-court-thinks-strip-searches-are-constitutional/255648/


There are dangerous police officials who treat the populace as the enemy and want to stretch Supreme Court cases, such as the Florence case, beyond what the court held.

There are dangerous police officials who actually hate the general population. If you don't have one or more in your town at this point, you will.

BeeBee

(1,074 posts)
13. I read the first case, and didn't see where a dog was involved.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:19 PM
Nov 2013

They said the victim clenched his buttocks and that gave them probable cause.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
16. The dog was mentioned in the lawsuit.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:36 PM
Nov 2013

But not in the first news article.
The 2nd news article mentions the dog, I assume because the lawsuit was then available as was additional info.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
17. Also interesting..the first case involved TWO police stops.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:41 PM
Nov 2013

Looks like the cops in that case were determined to get this guy.
They stopped him Sept. 6 2012 for a cracked windsheild, impounded his car, found no drugs.
Then the Jan. 2013 stop, where they did all the medical procedures.

I get the feeling they had an agenda about this guy.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
19. As a former forensics student, I'd like to know who trained this drug dog.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 04:52 PM
Nov 2013

Remember the lady who had the cadaver dog and ruined quite a few cases by supplying fake bones? Just wondering.

I hope these two get those officers and doctors.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
22. A good lawyer would be asking that question, for sure.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:19 PM
Nov 2013

When I was working in Drug Court in Fla. a popular lawyer was winning DUI cases on the issue of calibration of the then new breath analyzers. Seems they had to be calibrated and certified as accurate on a regular basis, but most weren't.

And, as the 2nd article pointed out, the K-9s have to be certified now.

given the long long long slime trail the local cops laid in these incidents, it would seem prudent to train every damn one of them, from teh Chief on down. Sure be cheaper than the lawsuits.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
26. Ah yes. I think my dad got out of a ticket by
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:39 PM
Nov 2013

asking how lung ago the radar gun was calibrated . He too works in a lab, so we are VERY ardent about equipment calibrations (GLP is no joke).

I'd sure hope for the deparment's sake that the dog was certified. And they thru have dotted all their i's and crossed all their t's.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
36. hope for the deparment's sake that the dog was certified.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:22 PM
Nov 2013

Turns out...dog was NOT certified in New Mexico....

his certification to be a drug dog expired in April 2011. K-9s need yearly re-certification courses, and Leo is falling behind.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3210356.shtml?cat=500#.UnvJPxhEr2T



Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
38. ROSWELL!!!!
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:47 PM
Nov 2013

The aliens have been apparently been affected by the sequester cuts too and can't beam as many people back up to the alien ship for anal probing so they're just doing it on the cheap now.

Out of all the unbelievable parts to that story I think the icing on the cake was that the hospital had the gall to charge him $6000

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