Report Miscarriage In 24 Hrs Or Go To Jail For 12 Months. - VA. AG Candidate.

[TheMastersNemesis]

When will enough be enough for women. This AG candidate could win in Virginia. Will woman have to report illegal sex i.e. sex outside of marriage next. Why such candidates are not beaten by 30% is just impossible to understand. The lack of outrage by women and men of conscience is hard to understand. Such a candidate should be run out of the public forum.

[appleannie1]

1. Dealing with the pain of losing a baby is bad enough without adding GOP bullshit to it.

[freshwest]

9. +1,000. Guess they'll lock up all pregnant women from conception. Or those they think are.

Or their whole lives. Next, birthing centers like their Reichwing kindred.

Really, could they be any more obvious?

[NightWatcher]

2. why don't these assholes just go and join the Taliban.

I'm sure they'd really enjoy Sharia Law if they gave it a chance. It's the same stuff they're pushing here.

[avaistheone1]

36. +100,000

[AnotherMcIntosh]

3. Mark Obenshain (R)

[jsr]

18. Rhymes with shitstain.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

21. Doesn't he have an odd and evil look to him?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

22. He has that "blessed" look that really creeps me out. (n/t)

[Bolo Boffin]

29. Mark OpenShame. n/t

[Vashta Nerada]

4. They claim they hate the fundamentalist Islamists, but they certainly act like them.

By the way, The Master's nemesis is The Doctor. Are you the Doctor?

[Crunchy Frog]

24. OT, but

Does anyone think there should be a Doctor Who group on DU?

Anyone besides me, that is?

[Vashta Nerada]

34. That would be awesome.

Especially since the 50th Anniversary Special is coming up in a few weeks.

[NutmegYankee]

5. Sex outside of marriage is a crime in Virginia.

Fornication is a misdemeanor. Any anal or oral sex, whether married or not, is a felony.


I'm not joking.

[KAESNO2]

35. Maybe, but when was the last time the law was enforced?

I'm sure hundreds of thousands of Virginians are having unmarried oral and anal sex at this very moment.

Even -- gasp! -- police officers, DAs and judges.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Not anymore.

All state consensual adult Sodomy laws were overturned by Lawrence v. Texas 2003.

That's one of the things that has Cuccinelli's shorts in such a bunch. He's demanding that Virginia be able to start rounding up everyone who has oral or anal sex.

[NutmegYankee]

40. The problem with VA is they left the law on the books.

So while a court will toss it, it's still there for a Cop to abuse.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. I don't believe that's correct.

The laws were nullified by the SCOTUS decision, which specifically said cops in Texas couldn't arrest gay people for having sex in their own home. Whether Texas did anything about the law or not is immaterial, because the court ruled all such laws unconstitutional.

I'm not a Lawyer, but that's my impression. I don't think any state anti-sodomy statutes against consenting adult private behavior, are valid anymore.

[NutmegYankee]

44. States are supposed to repeal the laws after that.

Otherwise, a cop could still cite that portion of the state code to justify an arrest. It would get dismissed by the court or DA but it can still cause trouble. That would be why I consider what Cooch is doing to be simply evil.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. Interesting.

Seems to me they'd be setting themselves up for a lawsuit, in that case, if they really tried to do that.

[NutmegYankee]

46. It depends.

Many judges would toss a tort suit if the charges had been dismissed. "The system worked ya know." I lived in VA before and after the 2003 SCOTUS ruling, and still remember the debates. Conservatives refused to repeal the laws.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Serious question; and, I belive you- like I said my legal understanding could be wrong-

but do you know of any times this has actually happened in VA since the 2003 ruling?

[NutmegYankee]

48. as far as i know - None.

I think the last time it was used was around 1999. The fornication law had been very rarely enforced. It was last used I believe as leverage over some woman who was watching children for daycare.

[Warpy]

6. Virginia pols seem obsessed with miscarriages

I suggested when a bill criminalizing miscarriages in VA was being considered that every woman in VA should mail the man (of course) sponsoring the bill all their used pads and tampons so that he could inspect them personally for any sign of miscarriage since most happen within days of a scheduled period. The bill was withdrawn the next day.

However, the whole idea has not gone away as one fundy pol after another has proposed legislation criminalizing any woman who has had a miscarriage, no matter how early and whether or not she is aware one has taken place.

I would hope the good women of VA would do the research and find out which ignorant preacher is responsible for this monomania concerning miscarriages and expose him to ridicule.

Ridicule is the only thing that will throw these loons off their game and if they can find the source of this particular game, they have a chance of stopping it for good.

[niyad]

17. there is probably more than one idiot promoting this, since this idea has been around for awhile.

forget the ridicule--time for the stocks and pillories. I would favour seppuku,, but honour is a foreign concept to these woman-haters.

[Lars39]

7. The medical establishment ought to refuse en masse.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Ladies better starting mailing in their used tampons.

You know, just to be safe. No sense risking going to jail.

[Crunchy Frog]

26. I regret that

I no longer have anything to contribute to the cause, because he'd be getting a little package in the mail every month.

[Boomerproud]

10. Report the miscarriage (within 24 hours) to whom?

The Ob/GYN, your family physician, the county sheriff? This is insane!

[AngryOldDem]

15. Probably to the county board of health.

You're right -- this is batshit crazy.

[Eugene]

28. "...to the local or state police or sheriff’s department..."

Under Obenshain’s bill, which was introduced in 2009,

When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance upon the mother at or after the delivery or abortion, the mother or someone acting on her behalf shall, within 24 hours, report the fetal death, location of the remains, and identity of the mother to the local or state police or sheriff’s department of the city or county where the fetal death occurred. No one shall remove, destroy, or otherwise dispose of any remains without the express authorization of law-enforcement officials or the medical examiner. Any person violating the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/20/2035411/

[sad-cafe]

33. My sister years ago had a miscarriage. The bloody tissue ended up mostly in the toilet

Our mother had to "gather it up" and take it with my sister to the doctor so they could see if her body had expelled it all.

It wasn't a baby, just a glob of bloody tissue. Never the less, my sister and her husband were devastated. This guy can go Rush himself. My guess is he is packing a gherken

[Mariana]

39. So the identity of the mother must be reported.

Nothing about the identity of the father. Nice.

If he's trying to pretend a fetus is a person, and the wants the state to record a miscarriage the same way it does the death of a person, he's failing. When a person dies in VA, aren't the names of both parents recorded? Doesn't a fetal "person" have two parents as well?

Has he put forth any explanation as to exactly WHY he thinks this should be done?

[LittleBlue]

11. Does this guy have a chance of winning?

I'd hope a whackjob like him is behind by at least 20 points.

[xfundy]

12. Soon, teenage boys will have to present their white athletic socks for inspection.

To see whether they contain murdered sacred microscopic things.

[Dwayne Hicks]

13. What a fuckwad

I highly doubt he gets elected. Even if the latest polls are wide and small they all say Terry Mcauliffe is ahead.

[AngryOldDem]

14. As someone who went through two miscarriages in eight months...

...fuck him, and fuck anyone who gets behind this.

Those two losses were about the worst times of my life.

These assholes have no clue and have no business legislating women's medical issues.

[FSogol]

16. K&R. Mark Obenshain has been trying to stay under the radar.

He wants to outlaw the birth control pill too. He's a total asshat. Nice to see some posts on him.

[ecstatic]

19. Unreal. I hope VA women do the right thing

Someone like that needs to be TROUNCED to send a message that we're not going to tolerate such bullshit.

[quaker bill]

27. I hope they stop "doing" the wrong thing

--- republican men ---

"it is not just your laws I want out of there"

[riderinthestorm]

20. Sunshine is the best disinfectant for shitstains like this guy.

K&R for more sunshine

[SleeplessinSoCal]

23. I really hope there is a God. And that he smacks these guys upside the head. n/t

[CFLDem]

25. Wouldn't that be rich! nt

[question everything]

30. Should men report when they have wet dreams?

After all, spilled seed is forbidden, I think.

[undeterred]

31. So much concern for the fetus, so little concern for real live children

and their parents living in poverty.

[spanone]

32. sick fucks

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Wow, those jails are gonna be crowded, what with all the oral sex people, too.

[cali]

42. links? Oh, it's you. you think you're exempt from such petty demands

I am so sick of your irresponsible posting habits.

[PunkinPi]

49. Here's a link

http://feministmajority.org/virginia/the-issues/reproductive-rights/

[cali]

43. another one of your *special* posts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3950579