Need ammo for FB. this guy is saying that Pelosi would not allow any input on the ACA ... that the

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bill was designed by Dems only and it is wholly the fault of the Dems.

[geek tragedy]

1. Tell him (1) every good thing that happens is because of Democrats (2)

Republicans never tried to participate in helping improve the bill--they only tried to sabotage it and defeat it. So, there were no Republicans trying to provide input.

[YarnAddict]

2. For good or for bad,

this belongs, lock, stock, and barrel, to the Democrats.

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9. welcome to DU

enjoy your stay.

[wilt the stilt]

14. as I say to all republicans

I started my own business which turned out to be very successful. I bought health insurance on the open market for years. Explain to me a family policy in the individual market. I'm waiting.

[sinkingfeeling]

3. Send him this from the NYTimes....

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/27/conservative-origins-of-obamacare/?_r=0

The essence of Obamacare, as of Romneycare, is a three-legged stool of regulation and subsidies: community rating requiring insurers to make the same policies available to everyone regardless of health status; an individual mandate, requiring everyone to purchase insurance, so that healthy people don’t opt out; and subsidies to keep insurance affordable for those with lower incomes.

The original Heritage plan from 1989 had all these features.

These days, Heritage strives mightily to deny the obvious; it picks at essentially minor differences between what it used to advocate and the plan Democrats actually passed, and tries to make them seem like a big deal. But this is disinformation. The essential features of the ACA — above all, the mandate — are ideas Republicans used to support.


Here's another good source on the amendments offered by the GOP:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/prescriptions/2009/07/this_is_what_bipartisanship_looks_like.html

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6. thanks for this.

[arcane1]

4. Two words for him: prove it.

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7. this is what he replied:

the gop did try to offer amendments but princess Pelosi would not allow it

:eyeroll:

[arcane1]

10. Surely he has a link to that info, right?

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12. of course not. dude has yet to post any links. I think I shut him up. No reply for several minutes

now.

[geek tragedy]

13. "Princess Pelosi"--such language indicates this person is

a waste of time, space, and flesh.

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16. I shut him up. Now another dude is taking me on but, I handled him, too. Meanwhile,

a lot of people reading the thread gave my comments thumbs up. Also, another guy was persuaded to see that Healthcare for Profit is morally and ethically wrong. So, it was not wasted time, I think.

[Wounded Bear]

5. A real "Democratic" plan would have been single payer...

or Medicare for all. While a major improvement over the prior status quo, the ACA is largely a gift to the insurance companies.

As was said above, the root of the plan is decidedly Republican, much like Romneycare in MA, which was massaged a bit by legislative Dems, but remains a largely conservative way to tackle the problem.

[leftyohiolib]

8. like "this guy" is gonna turn everything he believes around cause of a fb post

doesnt matter what you tell him. how does that saying go something like dont wrestle with a pig in the mud you'll only irritate yourself and the pig enjoys it

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11. yes, getting really close to blocking this dude. but, There are others reading this exchange and

learning.

[melm00se]

15. you can go right to the Congressional record

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR03590:@@@S

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17. thanks. posted it in the thread.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

18. It was the Republican Plan

Conceived by the Heritage Foundation and implemented by a Republican Governor.

So I think they had plenty of input.

[jmowreader]

19. The part about amendments is actually true

That was the GOP's first attempt to kill the ACA. According to Wikipedia, they had a House bill and the Senate's ACA. They also had 59 Democratic-caucusing senators, so Speaker Pelosi decided to bring the Senate-approved ACA to the floor and pass it as approved. The Republicans knew any amendment would kill the bill (Scott Brown had just been elected) so they proposed a shitload of them, all of which were rejected.

I sometimes wonder if this Congress knows it will go down in history as being incapable of doing anything but naming post offices.