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Beacool

(30,247 posts)
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:04 AM Oct 2013

Boy In Yellow Steals Pope Francis' Heart As Well As Ours At Vatican Celebration For Families

By Yasmine Hafiz

This adorable little boy was on top of the world when he made friends with Pope Francis by wandering up onto the stage during the Pontiff's address to a crowd of families.


He hung out for a while, making sure that all was going well with his new buddy's speech.


Pope Francis was grateful for the help too.


Though some cardinals came to try to return him to his seat on the steps, he couldn't be parted from Papa Francesco, clinging to his robes in a tight hug.


The Vatican Instagram shared one of the cutest moments from the incident, when the little boy in yellow sat on the Pope's chair.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/29/pope-francis-boy--stage-yellow-_n_4175486.html

This is such a nice story that I wanted to share it. I love the photo of the little guy sitting on the Pope's chair, it's so cute.

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Boy In Yellow Steals Pope Francis' Heart As Well As Ours At Vatican Celebration For Families (Original Post) Beacool Oct 2013 OP
That's so cute, I can hardly stand it. Aristus Oct 2013 #1
I think that he likes children and they like him back. Beacool Oct 2013 #4
I needed a smile today. riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #2
It brought a smile to my face too when I saw it this morning. Beacool Oct 2013 #5
This has to be the best Pope in years madokie Oct 2013 #3
I adored John the 23. This man has many of his qualities. roguevalley Oct 2013 #43
Adorable boy, seems quite taken JNelson6563 Oct 2013 #6
It says in the article that some cardinals tried to get him off the stage, Beacool Oct 2013 #33
pretty cool, the more I see of this Pope, the more I like him! gopiscrap Oct 2013 #7
Mee too. Beacool Oct 2013 #11
I'm kinda suprised at myself gopiscrap Oct 2013 #12
You and me too tavalon Oct 2013 #25
I don't blame you. Beacool Oct 2013 #29
I loved John XXIII and think that I would have like John Paul I gopiscrap Oct 2013 #51
Got any snapshots of Pat Robertson kissing a baby? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #8
No, it isn't!! Beacool Oct 2013 #10
+100000000000000000000000000000000! Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #47
They are both homophobes, and some threads, like those that glorify HOMOPHOBES, deserve... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #91
Yup. HERVEPA Oct 2013 #101
He is not a homophobe. Beacool Oct 2013 #137
No, they just call them "intrinsically disordered" and say that when they... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #139
Are you threatening me? Beacool Oct 2013 #140
Ah, the "I have gay friends" defense. Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #141
It's not a defense, it's a fact that your narrow minded opinions won't allow. Beacool Oct 2013 #143
The cold, hard fact of the matter is that... trotsky Nov 2013 #151
You are the one who claimed that neither he nor the Church are homophobic... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #162
Wow. You'll have to pardon me for having a different opinon of those who promote hate Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #145
Actually Bea, he is Marrah_G Nov 2013 #146
not at all, first of all Robertson is self appointed, not working his way up through the ranks gopiscrap Oct 2013 #13
Thanks for the reality check. Philosophically speaking pnwmom Oct 2013 #89
If Robertson kissed a baby Generic Other Oct 2013 #14
no kidding gopiscrap Oct 2013 #52
Quite a few differences... Xyzse Oct 2013 #17
I think you forgot your sarcasm smilie Sanity Claws Oct 2013 #18
This Pope is more popular, and rightfully so. Gore1FL Oct 2013 #27
perhaps but this thread is about a man and a boy having a sweet moment. there are roguevalley Oct 2013 #45
I'm usually pretty cynical and jaded, specially because I have worked in the "church" gopiscrap Oct 2013 #53
agreed. maybe I'm old but when gentleness shows itself I am glad. roguevalley Oct 2013 #90
The sub-thread was about a poster suggesting that Pat Robertson with a child was no different. Gore1FL Oct 2013 #55
I taught thirty years. Six year old and up. Does that count? :) I know anecdotal roguevalley Oct 2013 #92
You sure about that .99center Oct 2013 #105
the assumption that every impulse is always something roguevalley Oct 2013 #111
Anyone looks great compared to Pope Rat Marrah_G Nov 2013 #147
Eating a baby maybe but kissing one? No. nt TeamPooka Oct 2013 #64
You really want to see a pic of Robertson xfundy Oct 2013 #66
I would say he's more comparable to David Duke kissing a baby. n/t Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2013 #102
That's so cool. HappyMe Oct 2013 #9
How is a homophobe a good man? n/t Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #93
he is moving rhe roman church toward arely staircase Oct 2013 #106
The current Pope reaffirms the Catholic Catechism on Human Sexuality, and you think... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #110
aw. ucrdem Oct 2013 #15
Adorable! NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #16
Hi sweets, how's life? Beacool Oct 2013 #40
Busy but happy. How bout you? NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #42
Same here, quite busy too. Beacool Oct 2013 #44
Awwwwww libodem Oct 2013 #19
I have not attended a Catholic Mass in almost 10 years... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #20
I only attend when I get paid to sing. gopiscrap Oct 2013 #54
Oh, how adorable! OhioChick Oct 2013 #21
You're welcome. Beacool Oct 2013 #30
Sensationalism at its best. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #22
That third pic... TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #26
seriously? you think that priests haven't been prosecuted? cali Oct 2013 #35
Wikipedia is as credible as Fox News. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #38
for reason's sake: do you know how to do basic research? anything? cali Oct 2013 #60
Haha. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #61
you might want to get out of the lab a bit and work on your interpersonal communication skills. KittyWampus Oct 2013 #84
I need to work on my interpersonal communication skills? Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #95
I will too but I will also enjoy this moment. roguevalley Oct 2013 #46
If you think the Catholic Church is corrupt, take a good look at the fundies gopiscrap Oct 2013 #56
of course it is and it is the bloodiest in history but.... madrchsod Oct 2013 #97
This Pope is openly against homosexuals. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #98
Call it what it is, or don't call it anything at all. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #131
That kid is adorable LittleBlue Oct 2013 #23
I fucking despised Pope Rattie and was fully prepared to find this one useless at best tavalon Oct 2013 #24
me too..I was pleasantly surprised at this one gopiscrap Oct 2013 #57
I wouldn't call a man that calls same sex parenting child abuse a good man... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #74
If this happened in the US, with a politician, boy would be shot dead.... joanbarnes Oct 2013 #28
Ridiculous. Didn't a little kid wander up to the podium and imitate Gulliani's hand gestures FSogol Oct 2013 #73
This pope keeps doing things that even I recognize as Jesus-y Rose Siding Oct 2013 #31
So cute. Sweet. 840high Oct 2013 #32
i continue to be surprised by him--makes me wonder how pricks like dolan managed to elect him dembotoz Oct 2013 #34
the blowback and entrenchment has already begun gopiscrap Oct 2013 #58
a little more on that NJCher Oct 2013 #86
Your quote ---"They tell me they think this pope will be "taken out." " warrant46 Oct 2013 #142
Wouldn't be a first Marrah_G Nov 2013 #148
Yes but Murder ? warrant46 Nov 2013 #149
Historically, murder in the Vatican is not unheard of Marrah_G Nov 2013 #150
I'm aware of that warrant46 Nov 2013 #153
It's all pretty fascinating Marrah_G Nov 2013 #157
I see the charm offensive continues. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #36
Thank you. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #39
no. but acknowledging a sweet moment is human. roguevalley Oct 2013 #48
Not saying that...just saying it was a wonderful sublime moment in stark gopiscrap Oct 2013 #59
Look at a few of the replies upthread. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #62
I don't think he's the best Pope ever, but he is way better gopiscrap Oct 2013 #63
He has better PR, that's for sure, as far as substance, he's as bad as the previous two Popes. n/t Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #72
But, but, but... Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #96
BS. Australian priest, Greg Reynolds actually was excom- municated, Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #49
Not as reported in the links I provided. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #50
So sweet I could burst. tblue Oct 2013 #37
Yes, isn't it? Beacool Oct 2013 #41
awwww.... Yet another heart wrming pope story... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #65
Small children tend to inherently sense good and evil in a person. Rex Oct 2013 #67
Pope Ratz would have just hit him with a blast of Force Lightning. Arkana Oct 2013 #68
now that made me laugh.. madrchsod Oct 2013 #99
he even tried to get other kids to go up to meet the pope JI7 Oct 2013 #69
Cute!!! Beacool Oct 2013 #108
Little ones instinctively know who is good and trustworthy Grateful for Hope Oct 2013 #70
Then how do you explain all the child abuse in that organization? Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #163
"Vatican Celebration For Families"* Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #71
Thank for reminding us. CFLDem Oct 2013 #75
Uhm, how? Pope Francis actively opposes those families as not being real families... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #76
One step at a time. CFLDem Oct 2013 #79
What steps? The Pope is NOT a reformer, he's an open homophobe... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #81
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. CFLDem Oct 2013 #83
Agree to disagree on what? Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #85
You're not looking at the big picture. CFLDem Oct 2013 #87
He hasn't reduced Judgementalism one iota, indeed he damn near quotes 30 year old... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #88
I'm missing any evidence the pope DESIRES to do so. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #118
Precisely. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #117
Love it riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #77
ha ha, that's cute Liberal_in_LA Oct 2013 #78
the Pope handled the situation well Skittles Oct 2013 #80
he aint perfect arely staircase Oct 2013 #82
what about the methodists? madrchsod Oct 2013 #100
+ 1 nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #104
That is beautiful and so sweet. I too, will not forget that. meti57b Oct 2013 #103
I don't do religion, but I do kids and kind adults. liberalmuse Oct 2013 #107
I found a little more information on the boy. Beacool Oct 2013 #109
It's amazing how this Pope gets under some people's skin. rug Oct 2013 #112
They think that the Church is evil and don't buy that this Pope is actually a nice guy. Beacool Oct 2013 #113
He's still covering up the wholesale rape and torture of children... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #114
Don't forget, he said gay people are cool, as long as they act like straight people. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #115
That's my point, he's soo nice! :) nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #124
It's funny because the last guy had the SAME thing happen NYC Liberal Oct 2013 #116
But but... but... THIS pope is DIFFERENT! AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #121
I don't get it either. Last pope had the same positions on NYC Liberal Oct 2013 #123
He's 'better' with kids, if you know what I mean... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #125
I don't think he's covering anything. Beacool Oct 2013 #132
Why would that be a good thing, that he act as he did as Archbishop of Buenos Aires? AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #120
Hey now! When it comes to kids, no one loves them like a Catholic priest. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #127
You think a homophobic, misogynistic institution that has caused untold harm Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #122
AIDs may be bad, but condoms are worse -- the Catholic Church's idea of morality nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #126
I call that description purposeful hyperbole. rug Oct 2013 #128
Uh huh. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #129
That must be why I don't feel anything. rug Oct 2013 #130
So we can expect the same vitriol and hatred against LGBT people that he displayed as Archbishop? Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #133
Because some kid hugged him. SQWEEEE!!!! nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #134
He does not support gay marriage, but he wasn't against civil unions. n/t Beacool Oct 2013 #136
He called civil unions a "lesser of two evils"... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #138
The pope isn't under my skin. He's doing exactly what I expected. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #119
Not only that, but it also may lead to increased support for the Catholic Church... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #135
I had the same thought. goldent Nov 2013 #144
The little boy was acting as pope Francis' body guard for a bit CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #152
You're welcome. Beacool Nov 2013 #154
You can never win over 100% of the people no matter what. Rex Nov 2013 #155
Me too!!! Beacool Nov 2013 #156
Well, they should not have bothered to read the thread CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #158
That's OK, I'm used to the bashing that goes on around here. Beacool Nov 2013 #159
Thanks!! CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #160
"...that they know little if anything at all about." Excuse me? Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #161

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
5. It brought a smile to my face too when I saw it this morning.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:12 AM
Oct 2013

That's why I thought of sharing it. Goodness knows there's enough bad news to go around, but far too little of the good type.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
3. This has to be the best Pope in years
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:10 AM
Oct 2013

I'm non religious but for those who are this pope shines for what I see religion as

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
6. Adorable boy, seems quite taken
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:16 AM
Oct 2013

with the Pope. I love that he was left to just kind of hang out where he wanted.

Julie

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
33. It says in the article that some cardinals tried to get him off the stage,
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:00 PM
Oct 2013

but he wouldn't budge. Smart kid!!

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
12. I'm kinda suprised at myself
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:36 AM
Oct 2013

because I have taken a rather cynical view of Catholic bishops as of late.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
29. I don't blame you.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:47 AM
Oct 2013

I was raised Catholic, but I have attended a Lutheran church for some years now. This is only the second Pope that I have liked in my lifetime (John Paul II was the other one).

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
51. I loved John XXIII and think that I would have like John Paul I
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:56 PM
Oct 2013

but didn't like JP II because he appointed too many conservative cardinals, bishops and archbishops,

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
91. They are both homophobes, and some threads, like those that glorify HOMOPHOBES, deserve...
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:00 PM
Oct 2013

to be pissed on.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
137. He is not a homophobe.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:21 PM
Oct 2013

The Catholic Church does not approve of gay marriage. That doesn't mean that they hate gay people.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
139. No, they just call them "intrinsically disordered" and say that when they...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:00 PM
Oct 2013

enter into relationships, that gay people are acting against "natural law".

But you go ahead and defend this homophobic organization, keep it up, maybe you won't be around here much longer.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
140. Are you threatening me?
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:07 PM
Oct 2013

I have more gay friends that I can shake a stick at, but I don't expect the Catholic Church to approve of gay marriage or abortion. It's just not going to happen. You don't like the Catholic Church or the Pope? That's fine, now go crap on someone else's post.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
143. It's not a defense, it's a fact that your narrow minded opinions won't allow.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:30 PM
Oct 2013

I don't even attend a Catholic church, but I happen to like this Pope. If you don't like him that's your business, but don't attack others who think differently than you do.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
151. The cold, hard fact of the matter is that...
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:05 PM
Nov 2013

this pope believes, and the official RCC position is, that the only way a homosexual person can stay in good graces with their god is to remain celibate. If they choose instead to love someone, they are engaging in sin.

That's a pretty big item in my book, and neutralizes any platitudes or photo ops. To me, the kid sitting in the chair is no different than a flight suit and a "Mission Accomplished" banner. Meaningless PR designed to emotionally sway people.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
162. You are the one who claimed that neither he nor the Church are homophobic...
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:41 PM
Nov 2013

You either think homophobia isn't a thing, or have a convoluted definition that somehow excludes someone who, you know, actively campaigned against LGBT civil rights.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
145. Wow. You'll have to pardon me for having a different opinon of those who promote hate
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:09 AM
Nov 2013

mongers. Francis says adoption by gay parents is child abuse and our relationships are 'an attack on God'. You are cool with that and I am not. The differences between Francis and Robertson are that Robertson is not as rich and does not use a rosary.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
146. Actually Bea, he is
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:11 AM
Nov 2013

He may have some good qualities, but that does not change the fact that he is indeed as bigot who has made some nasty bigotted comments in his role as a church leader.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
13. not at all, first of all Robertson is self appointed, not working his way up through the ranks
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:39 AM
Oct 2013

and then being elected by a universal gathering of his peers. More importantly, Pat Robertson wouldn't give a fuck about the poor, or starting a war for profit. I am not a Catholic nor a fan of the Roman Catholic church, but there is a fucking shit load of difference between this Pope and Robertson.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
17. Quite a few differences...
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:48 AM
Oct 2013

1 - Baby does not have much of a choice. This kid actually came up and he allowed him to stay.
2 - Like someone else said, Pat Robertson = SAP(Self Appointed Prick), the Pope, his sect in Catholicism had to make him decline being pope a few times before he can accept.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
45. perhaps but this thread is about a man and a boy having a sweet moment. there are
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:10 PM
Oct 2013

other threads to take those kind of remarks. Children are instinctive. They go toward good energy and avoid bad. COnsider how babies and infants like Obama but not romney. that means something about this man that a little baby like this could come to love him like this. Enjoy the moment. It is sweet and gentle. THank you, OP.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
53. I'm usually pretty cynical and jaded, specially because I have worked in the "church"
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:00 PM
Oct 2013

for 18 years and I found this to be a sublime moment and an indication of the personality of the man!

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
55. The sub-thread was about a poster suggesting that Pat Robertson with a child was no different.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:02 PM
Oct 2013

I suggested that the Pope was more popular. It would seem you are "preaching to the choir" so to speak. I'd need to see the data from the scientific research on children's instincts, to believe that part of you assertion, however.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
92. I taught thirty years. Six year old and up. Does that count? :) I know anecdotal
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:01 PM
Oct 2013

data from a teacher doesn't count for shit for some but this I know. Children and dogs know these kind of things.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
111. the assumption that every impulse is always something
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 12:56 AM
Oct 2013

Is fallacious to me. My experience thirty years with kids and over sixty years with dogs is pretty vast. Day in day out experience

Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #8)

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
106. he is moving rhe roman church toward
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:20 PM
Oct 2013

Christ's one commandment. Faster than i would have ever imagined a Roman Bishop in my lifetime. I am an Episcopalian. We bless same sex unions. We are basically catholic liturgically but quite protestant (in a very liberal way) theologically. This Bishop's words and actions are very intriguing to us because they signal a possible (I pray) a full communion of holy sacraments between our churches. To outsiders they may seem only words. But words from the Bishop of Rome are important and encouraging when they focus on social justice and turn the roman church's focus away from unChrist-like homophobia.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
110. The current Pope reaffirms the Catholic Catechism on Human Sexuality, and you think...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 12:01 AM
Oct 2013

that's moving his church forward to being more like the Episcopalian church? This guy, the one who said that those who advocate for same sex marriage are doing the work of the prince of lies, who says that same sex parenthood is child abuse. You think he will move the Church away from "unChrist-like" homophobia?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
15. aw.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:45 AM
Oct 2013
. . . but Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.” And he laid his hands on them and went away.



-- ESV, Matt 19.14-15 http://www.esvbible.org/Matthew+19%3A14/

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
20. I have not attended a Catholic Mass in almost 10 years...
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:02 AM
Oct 2013

...but kudos to this pope.

Beautiful pictures.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
22. Sensationalism at its best.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:27 AM
Oct 2013

It doesn't cover up the fact that the Catholic church is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world.

I'll get a smile on my face when priests who diddle little boys start getting prosecuted for their crimes.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
60. for reason's sake: do you know how to do basic research? anything?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:08 PM
Oct 2013

I'll take wikipedia over you any day of the week and a hundred times on sunday.

there are citations and links, dear. It's hardly rocket science.

Yes, lots of priest have been prosecuted for child sexual abuse- unlike what YOU claim. Yes, more certainly should have been, but that's not the same as saying that they should *start* prosecuting them.

duh.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
61. Haha.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:34 PM
Oct 2013

"do you know how to do basic research?" I'm working on my Master's degree in Biology. I know how to do advanced research. Our professors would laugh at us if we cited anything from Wikipedia (as they should).

Your wikipedia references mean nothing to me.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
97. of course it is and it is the bloodiest in history but....
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:44 PM
Oct 2013

this guy does have a chance to start to right some of the wrongs. he stripped a cardinal in germany of position because of his "bling". he`s one of the few truly humble popes that does`t believe in the red shoes. will he be able to change the direction of the church? i do`t think he has the time but maybe he can change the course enough to start to join the 21st century.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
98. This Pope is openly against homosexuals.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:47 PM
Oct 2013

He hasn't done anything to change anything. He still sticks with the church's status quo.

The only difference between him and Ratz is that Francis has better PR. That's it.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
131. Call it what it is, or don't call it anything at all.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 01:55 PM
Oct 2013

It's rape or molestation. But diddling? God (no pun intended) I'm sick of that.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
24. I fucking despised Pope Rattie and was fully prepared to find this one useless at best
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:34 AM
Oct 2013

He's, dare I say it, a good man of God.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
57. me too..I was pleasantly surprised at this one
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:03 PM
Oct 2013

but had a feeling from day one that he might be alright considering his personal narrative.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
74. I wouldn't call a man that calls same sex parenting child abuse a good man...
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 07:31 PM
Oct 2013

would you?

The "of God" part may be true if that god is a prick.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
73. Ridiculous. Didn't a little kid wander up to the podium and imitate Gulliani's hand gestures
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 07:30 PM
Oct 2013

during a speech? My own son got on stage for an Edwards rally (2003?) and mugged for the cameras.

dembotoz

(16,804 posts)
34. i continue to be surprised by him--makes me wonder how pricks like dolan managed to elect him
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:08 PM
Oct 2013

the contrast between him and the rest of the church officials is striking

wonder when and how the blowback will begin

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
58. the blowback and entrenchment has already begun
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:04 PM
Oct 2013

I have heard several pre Vatican II mindsets bitching and moaning about him.

NJCher

(35,670 posts)
86. a little more on that
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:40 PM
Oct 2013

I have some union buddies who are Catholic by birth (they are not presently practicing Catholics) and every one of them (about five people) has a relative who is either a priest or a nun.

They tell me they think this pope will be "taken out."

They don't give him more than a few months.

Personally, I disagree, but then what do I know. I'm not a Catholic, never have been one, and don't even have a religion, per se. But that's what they say.

I hope not. I started liking the guy a few months ago when he got some old car from a buddy. The idea of a pope running around in a beater in his immaculate, pressed robes kind of amused me.


Cher





warrant46

(2,205 posts)
142. Your quote ---"They tell me they think this pope will be "taken out." "
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:19 PM
Oct 2013

Just like in the Godfather 3

That would be a mistake === this guy will be the best fund raiser they have had in decades.

The poor people will line up in droves to drop their nickels and dimes into the basket.

To pay the billions of outstanding abuse judgments, his predecessor's priests have racked up in the various courts of the USA

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
149. Yes but Murder ?
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:55 AM
Nov 2013

Well the rumor is JP #1 was offed

And any cabal that tolerates and protects child sodomites is probably capable of anything.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
150. Historically, murder in the Vatican is not unheard of
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:53 PM
Nov 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murdered_popes

And that's just the popes.

Pope's had people killed, Pope's tortured people, Pope's waged war, Pope's hoarded wealth.... It's a fascinating and dark history. The Vatical, historically is a place filled with politics, death, schemes..etc.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
153. I'm aware of that
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:48 PM
Nov 2013

Their history is replete with scoundrels

For Example we have Pope Alexander VI

Pope of the Catholic Church from 11 August 1492 to his death in 1503

Of Alexander's many mistresses the one for whom passion lasted longest was a certain Vannozza (Giovanna) dei Cattani, born in 1442, and wife of three successive husbands. The connection began in 1470, and she bore him four children whom he openly acknowledged as his own: Giovanni, afterwards duke of Gandia (born 1474), Cesare (born 1476), Lucrezia (born 1480), and Goffredo or Giuffre (born 1481 or 1482). Three of his other children, Girolama, Isabella and Pedro-Luiz, were of uncertain parentage. However, his son Bernardo, a product of his liaison with Vittoria (Victoria) Sailór dei Venezia in 1469, is much less known because his father kept him in hiding, most likely due to shame, for he was a cardinal, who aspired to become the pope. He obviously gave up hiding his many children after he fathered four more. Therefore, Bernardo received the least amount of attention of his siblings. ( From Wiki)

Pope Stephen VI: had his predecessor exhumed, tried, de-fingered, and thrown to the river

Pope Sergius III: ordered the murder of another pope and started the "pornocracy"

This "pornocracy" was an age with women in power: Theodora, whom Liutprand characterized as a "shameless whore... [who] exercised power on the Roman citizenry like a man" and her daughter Marozia, the mother of Pope John XI (931–935) and reputed to be the mistress of Sergius III.

It goes on and on

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
36. I see the charm offensive continues.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:47 PM
Oct 2013

Very nice and all. In case anyone needs a reminder:

The church still opposes family planning that includes contraceptives and abortifacients.
The church opposes same-sex marriage.
The church opposes gender equality in leadership within the church.


Are you a priest that supports same-sex marriage and gender equality? Pope Francis excommunicates you for it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-greg-reynolds_n_3983059.html

"Melbourne priest Greg Reynolds has not only been defrocked, but also excommunicated by the Catholic Church over his support for women priests and homosexuals. The order came directly from Vatican under the authority of Pope Francis, who just recently said that the Church focuses too much on gays and abortion."


But yes, the kid is adorable.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
39. Thank you.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:10 PM
Oct 2013

A few pictures of a little boy hugging the Pope surface online and suddenly the guy is Jesus and he's the best thing that happened since sliced bread.



Give me a break, people.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
59. Not saying that...just saying it was a wonderful sublime moment in stark
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:06 PM
Oct 2013

contrast to the inquisitor that held office right before Francis.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
62. Look at a few of the replies upthread.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:35 PM
Oct 2013

Some have said he's the best Pope ever.

Why?

He's just as corrupt as the rest of them, but he doesn't outwardly show it as much as the previous popes.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
49. BS. Australian priest, Greg Reynolds actually was excom- municated,
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:16 PM
Oct 2013

because he started his own church.

Ohio Joe

(21,756 posts)
65. awwww.... Yet another heart wrming pope story...
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 04:48 PM
Oct 2013

Let me know if he ever actually changes any policies... Then maybe I'll give a shit about him.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
67. Small children tend to inherently sense good and evil in a person.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 05:09 PM
Oct 2013

That would have never happened when Benny was in charge! They would have found the parents and kicked them out of the Vatican!

It is very strange seeing a humble Pope! I will have to get use to it!

Grateful for Hope

(39,320 posts)
70. Little ones instinctively know who is good and trustworthy
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 07:21 PM
Oct 2013


As an aside, reminds me of how positively little ones react to our President.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
163. Then how do you explain all the child abuse in that organization?
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:43 AM
Jan 2014

If kids are protected by magical knowledge of who is good and trustworthy, then why do so many children each day face harm from those thy trust?
Weak and scary sauce you serve.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
75. Thank for reminding us.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:05 PM
Oct 2013

As if we didn't already know.

Someday the Church may invite all families. Pope Francis might just be the first step in making that happen.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
76. Uhm, how? Pope Francis actively opposes those families as not being real families...
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:10 PM
Oct 2013

and indeed has said that same sex parents are guilty of child abuse by "depriving" children of a mom and dad..

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
79. One step at a time.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:19 PM
Oct 2013

Just like Obama has to dismantle the attitudes behind for-profit healthcare first to give us single payer, the Pope has to change the attitude of the Church to lay the foundation for a more progressive and Christlike church.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
81. What steps? The Pope is NOT a reformer, he's an open homophobe...
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:23 PM
Oct 2013

outside of better PR, he is just as bad as the previous two popes. There is no evidence he's a progressive at all, he is an Orthodox Catholic from everything I read about him.

Oh, and don't compare this Pope with our President, that is insulting to President Obama.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
85. Agree to disagree on what?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:32 PM
Oct 2013

That this Pope is anything more than what he presents? You would have an argument if this Pope denounced his homophobic beliefs and previous activities in Argentina. Let me just say that you are welcome to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
87. You're not looking at the big picture.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:41 PM
Oct 2013

Sure he's a homophobe, and he won't be doing any favors in that regard anytime soon.

However, I believe his philosophy to reduce judgementalism is eliminating a major obstacle for one of his successors to eventually bring all sorts of equality to the Church. Like I said, one step at a time.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
88. He hasn't reduced Judgementalism one iota, indeed he damn near quotes 30 year old...
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:46 PM
Oct 2013

Catholic Catechism and people laud him for it, saying its a "change" when in reality, all he did was reiterate established dogma.

I see a man who, at best, represents a possible change in tone, but certainly not in content, and Big Picture wise, it will amount to no significant changes, at least due to him.

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
77. Love it
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:15 PM
Oct 2013

especially the little one sitting in the chair.

I love this pope...I was raised a catholic and excommunicated myself, as I believe in birth control and also could not stand the idea of confession.
But his pope amazes me....It almost makes me think he is Jesus...at least he does what I expect Jesus would do.

May Pope Francis have a long time being pope.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
82. he aint perfect
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:24 PM
Oct 2013

But this guy is the best Bishop of Rome in my lifetime. When he allows we Anglicans full communion in his church the way we allow Roman catholics to reveive the holy sacrements in ours Ill be pleased even more.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
100. what about the methodists?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:51 PM
Oct 2013

well maybe we'd get full communion before you anglicans. actually i known some methodists who could`t tell the difference between the two.

i have a feeling this guy is for real.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
107. I don't do religion, but I do kids and kind adults.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:47 PM
Oct 2013

So this story is a win-win! What a sweetie! I'm sort of warming to this pope guy.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
109. I found a little more information on the boy.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:18 PM
Oct 2013

His name is Carlos, he's 6 years old and he was born in Colombia. An Italian family adopted him last year.

A couple of other pics.



Beacool

(30,247 posts)
113. They think that the Church is evil and don't buy that this Pope is actually a nice guy.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:37 AM
Oct 2013

Which he is. I was in Buenos Aires in September, I talked to people and read articles written about him. The way he behaves now as Pope is the same way he behaved when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires. It's not an act, it's who he is and that's why I think the Conclave chose him. He's shaking up the Vatican and it's about time.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
114. He's still covering up the wholesale rape and torture of children...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 10:06 AM
Oct 2013

And promoting the sexual oppression of women. But other than that, he's a super nice guy. And Jeff Dahmer was a great babysitter -- the kids loved him.

Every tyrant in history has posed with kids and animals. It's a fucking cliche. Because for some evolutionary reason it works, and otherwise rational adults assume that kids have some preternatural ability to sense hidden evil, and anyone who likes kids as much as we do ourselves must somehow be just like us.

If he REALLY liked kids he would be leading a crusade against his own church.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
116. It's funny because the last guy had the SAME thing happen
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 10:21 AM
Oct 2013

A kid ran on stage up to him and Benny reacted pretty much the same way as Francis.



Francis has better PR skills though, I guess.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
123. I don't get it either. Last pope had the same positions on
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 12:00 PM
Oct 2013

LGBT rights, women, poverty, etc.

This pope is just repeating what has been in the Catechism for a long time. What he said about gays has been the official Churh position for years. Nothing new.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
132. I don't think he's covering anything.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 02:06 PM
Oct 2013

Priests are being investigated, he is not Benedict. To compare Dahmer with Pope Francis is outrageous and a very poor analogy.

Yes, the Catholic Church does not approve of women being ordained. I don't agree with it, one of several reasons why I attend a Lutheran church, but I respect their choice.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
120. Why would that be a good thing, that he act as he did as Archbishop of Buenos Aires?
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 10:52 AM
Oct 2013

Francis wrote

"Let’s not be naïve, we’re not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."

in regards to a bill being considered in Argentina for legalizing same sex marriage.
Of same sex couples adopting children, he called it "discrimination against children".

&feature=youtu.be

The idea that he's behaving as he did in Argentina is horrifying.
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
122. You think a homophobic, misogynistic institution that has caused untold harm
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:00 AM
Oct 2013

and exacerbated human misery exponentially on the planet (ban on birth control, for example) is some sort of benevolent institution?

I do not. I call that evil.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
130. That must be why I don't feel anything.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 01:50 PM
Oct 2013

It also may be said that lies assuage a troubled mind.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
133. So we can expect the same vitriol and hatred against LGBT people that he displayed as Archbishop?
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 02:14 PM
Oct 2013

When he campaigned against both same sex adoption and same sex marriage?

And how the fuck does this make him a nice guy?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
119. The pope isn't under my skin. He's doing exactly what I expected.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 10:47 AM
Oct 2013

It's that people are BUYING IT that gets under my skin.

Trust is earned. Deeds speak louder than words.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
135. Not only that, but it also may lead to increased support for the Catholic Church...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 02:30 PM
Oct 2013

materially, that is my primary concern, which will then lead to misguided people funding anti-LGBT civil rights, anti-contraception and anti-choice laws and practices in places like Africa, etc.

CountAllVotes

(20,870 posts)
152. The little boy was acting as pope Francis' body guard for a bit
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:11 PM
Nov 2013

And yes, it was really cute!

As for pope Francis, his message that day was a simple one. He said we need to focus on three things: Saying please, thank you and sorry ...

It was particularly almost tearful to me when the little boy came out of nowhere and jumped on the stage and kissed the cross around pope Francis' neck and then he went and sat in the pope's chair!

I really think that pope Francis is a good man and he seems to be well-liked.

Thanks for posting this story!

& recommend.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
155. You can never win over 100% of the people no matter what.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:32 PM
Nov 2013

Someone will always be there to remind you of what is wrong with your OP.

Personally I LOVE seeing a humble Pope. Refreshing after Benny and his red shoes.

CountAllVotes

(20,870 posts)
158. Well, they should not have bothered to read the thread
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:37 AM
Nov 2013

and start up bashing a pope that they know little if anything at all about.

And for you ... a and yes, thank you and I am sorry if you got your feelings hurt!

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
159. That's OK, I'm used to the bashing that goes on around here.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:18 AM
Nov 2013

I'm a Hillary supporter and with some here the Clintons are as popular as the Pope. Any positive thread about them or the Pope gets crapped on the minute it's posted, you have to be tough or they trample you. LOL!!!

Thanks for the hug and right back at you.





 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
161. "...that they know little if anything at all about." Excuse me?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:39 PM
Nov 2013

Are you fucking kidding me?!? This Pope ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNED against the civil rights of LGBT people in Argentina, and we are supposed to forget about that, not to mention insulting same sex headed families. Oh, and the OP's feelings were hurt? I guess the feelings(and rights) of LGBT people just don't matter to a certain segment of people here.

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