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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMSNBC: Most of those who lose their insurance will come out AHEAD.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cut-rate-premiums-cut-rate-careBut as critics excoriate the administration for misleading the public, heres a point to bear in mind. The affected consumers arent getting ripped off. Most will get more for care their money under the new system than they ever could have hoped for under the old.
The Affordable Care Act was designed not just to expand insurance coverage but to protect consumers who buy it. Compared to people who get group coverage through their jobs, folks seeking individual health policies have long had a raw deal. Those with pre-existing health conditions have either been denied coverage or charged prohibitive rates, and those deemed insurable have gotten plans with high deductibles and limited coverage. On average, plans sold on the individual market covered just 60% of their subscribers medical costs in 2010, researchers reported in Health Affairs last year, while group plans covered 83%. In addition to other fees and copays, the average individual subscriber paid a $2,858 annual deductiblenearly four times the $751 that group plans charged.
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Goss is a Michigan retail worker who got an inexpensive mini-med policy while working at Talbots and kept it going for $65 a month after losing her job. I was aware that it wasnt a great plan, she told Consumer Reports last year, but I wasnt concerned because I wasnt sick.
When she did get sickwith breast cancershe quickly surpassed her plans four-figure annual spending limits and ended up postponing treatment while she scrounged for $30,000 to cover her bills. As White House spokesman Joshua Earnest says, Those cheap individual policies seem like a great deal until you actually have to use them.
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SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:25 AM - Edit history (2)
Thanks for the post.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)It's amazing how much BAD information about the ACA is floating around.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... everyone needs to relax and not buy into the MSM and Republican propaganda. And that is exactly what it is. And boo to the naysayer trolls here on DU and on this thread, in particular.
The people getting cancellation notices are a small 5% who were signed up to the private insurance market. Not group insurance. Not Medicare. All insurance must now provide a certain amount of additional benefits (10 things) to all of those 5% I mentioned up there a minute ago. And the insurance companies now say "No way, Jose, we ain't 'gonna give no more benefits," unless we can raise the rates, so they canceled their clients policies! All insurance policies, come Jan 1, 2014, private or not, must include those 10 additional benefits! Get it? Don't ask me what those 10 benefits are, because I didn't write them down. Go look them up yourself.
When PO was selling the ACA and said if people had insurance, they could keep it, he didn't KNOW the insurance companies were going to pull this trick at the last minute. He didn't lie if he didn't know what they were going to do! It's the old classic Republican trick that he's had to deal with for 5 years come Jan 20th. He has bent over backwards for years trying to make nice with those cretins, and they come right back and bite him on the butt. Same-o-same-o. They never change.
So, relax. Those approx 5% who had their incompetent private ins policiess canceled are going to make out like bandits with much better insurance for their money.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)compared against the average. These aren't nice folks, didn't he watch his own mother fight them on her death bed?
Lame rationalization, if he didn't know better he is a fool and all that bending over backward is further evidence of that not some positive to point to.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... he laid down with the dogs and got up with fleas. I don't know why he's like that. But don't you think he is catching on at this point? It's always better to do the right thing up front, than to give them a chance to stab you in the back for not doing so.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)and rightfully so. Because those plans were junk, but also because its lower cost for them to maintain fewer types of plans.
everyone will be better off with the new plans. The insurance industry needed to be regulated.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)THE DEATH PANELS ARE REAL!!!!!11!!!
Oh... wait ... "ahead", not "a head".
Nevermind.
randome
(34,845 posts)Insidious, isn't it?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
justanaverageguy
(186 posts)Yeah the President lied, you don't really get to keep the policy you liked........but it's ok because we think what you have now is a better, albeit more expensive, policy.
I actually liked my policy that I no longer get to keep and get to pay double the rate now. Not what I expected.
plcdude
(5,309 posts)know what your policy covered and to what limits? What we Americans including the President didn't know was how many crappy insurance policies were out there. People have been paying monthly premiums for literally very little coverage. The insurance companies have been exposed as liars to us because their policies have not been even minimally adequate.
justanaverageguy
(186 posts)I fully understood the limitations of the policy that I had purchased. I was quite comfortable with them. I could have just as easily at the time I purchased my policy gotten one that offered better coverage for more money, But I chose not too. I made that choice willingly and in full understanding of the dice I was rolling (Consequently I had taken other steps to protect myself in the case of a major medical issue). I now have had that choice taken away from me despite the FACT that President Obama and other leaders of the Democrat Party assured me it would not. No matter how you parse it, no matter if I am in fact better off now as a result of the lie (which I do not believe I am) it doesn't change the fact that it was a LIE and a big one at that. There is no justification of the big lie.
BumRushDaShow
(128,988 posts)Really?
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)apparently, was much of the media who reported it.
The grandfathering-in only applied to policies that didn't change in any significant way after 2010.
Hekate
(90,686 posts)Enjoy your stay.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)I read in another article yesterday that when the bill was being passed, it was very openly spelled out about how the grandfathering-in clause would work. It only applied to policies that were unchanged since that date in 2010. If you are concerned, you should find out why yours wasn't grandfathered -- in what respect it changed.
If your insurer just decided to drop the policy on its own, that was your insurer's choice. Insurers have done this forever -- there has never been a law requiring them to keep people insured, much less insured at certain terms. After January, their choices will be much more limited -- that's why some of this are doing this now.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)and if they do not get sick, it IS... Too many younger folks see themselves as invincible, immortal and lucky. They have actual risk, but do not see it, so they feel that even $50 is "wasted", so of course they will bristle at paying more even if it IS for more coverage.
One by one, as they DO get hurt/sick they will realize how lucky they are to have real coverage, but until then, they will be grumpy and resentful.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I am going to cry and then punch a wall because, you know..America.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)I mean, I sorta do. But I think that Obama and the rest of them should be out there using it.
"you said 'if you like your plan, keep it', but So'n'so got a letter from their insurer that said their insurance is being discontinued, so didn't you lie?"
No. Part of Obamacare is that your insurer cant cheat you any more. Some insurance companies have decided to stop offering the plans they had out there, because they couldn't cheat you with them anymore. The president doesnt have the power to make a private company continue to offer your particular health insurance plan. But with the ACA, now he can make sure that they dont cheat you and that you will be offered new plans if your insurance company decides to take one away.
Same with the "well such and such company dropped all its employees to 30 hours/week, and now they dont have health insurance".
The company dropped the hours to try and cheat their workers out of the benefits of their labor. Not Obama. Though, We really should make companies contribute based on man hours worked, not on number of employees, to nix this loophole they are trying to exploit workers with.
Same with "well, my husbands company dropped the spouse coverage, so now I cant keep my insurance"
Is your husbands company the Federal government? If not then Obama doesnt get to choose whether they cover the whole family or just their worker.
Im having mixed feelings about the ACA. I dont want to like it. I want single payer, universal coverage. But I just got a letter that says for the first time in my adult life, I will have health insurance. Its hard to be too mad about not getting the best possible solution enacted, with that letter sitting on the upper left corner of my desk, right now. But much as ACA is imperfect, I dont like seeing the Republicans pushing around lies and getting away with it.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)single payer would be preferable.
OTOH, the ACA means that millions of people who haven't been able to get insurance now will be able to. And that's something good.
In the meantime, we can hope that Vermont's experiment with single payer and Oregon's with co-ops can help pave the way for other states.
And yes -- it's a very significant feature of the ACA that it was designed to prevent insurers from cheating. We'll see what happens.
P.S. I'm happy for you that you could finally get insurance. Yay!