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HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:53 PM Oct 2013

“Riots always begin typically the same way”: Food stamp shutdown looms Friday

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/28/riots_always_begin_typically_the_same_way_food_stamp_shutdown_looms_friday/

Food stamp recipients face a massive benefit cut set to kick in when stimulus funds expire Friday. The nationwide cut “is equivalent to about 16 meals a month for a family of three,” according to a Center on Budget and Policy Priorities analysis using the USDA’s “Thrifty Food Plan.” CBPP called the roughly $5 billion annual cut to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program “unprecedented” in “depth and breadth.”

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“The fact that they’re going to lose what’s basically an entire week’s worth food” each month, said Purvis, “it’s pretty daunting.” She told Salon that while policymakers “are attempting to punish people for being poor,” and “people are comforted by believing that they know that a person has to have done something wrong in order to be poor,” in reality, “I can tell you that more and more folks have more than one job and are still needing help.” (As I reported last week, audio recorded by a McDonald’s worker-activist showed a counselor on an employee hotline encouraging her to sign up for food stamps because it “takes a lot of the pressure off how much money you spend on groceries.”) Purvis added that cutting food stamps was “not even good business sense,” because each dollar of food stamps infuses over $1.70 of spending into the economy.

Some prominent conservatives have questioned the significance of public assistance cuts for the poor. Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kistol contended during the government shutdown that “it’s not going to be the end of the world, honestly, even if you’re on nutritional assistance from the federal government. The state of Arkansas can help out, localities can help out, churches can help out, I believe no one is going to starve in Arkansas because of the shutdown.” Asked about such claims, Purvis said that citing the efforts of groups like hers as a reason not to worry about public assistance cuts was “one of the most ill-informed arguments on the planet.” She told Salon, “the first line of defense against hunger is a food stamp.” While some “have had this way of romanticizing charity,” she said, “charity is also a system that is based on capacity and resources.” Purvis added that politicians “didn’t make any additional resources available to these magical charities that they expect to step in for this devastation that’s geared at the poorest of Americans.”

Purvis said she and her colleagues are “begging” Congress to pass legislation by December to restore the expired funds. Rather than “trying to raise a dollar” to avert disaster privately, she said, a solution will require Americans to “raise their voices,” because “the avenue has to be activism.” In the meantime, she predicted “a very tough Thanksgiving.”
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“Riots always begin typically the same way”: Food stamp shutdown looms Friday (Original Post) HomerRamone Oct 2013 OP
that is so fucked up gopiscrap Oct 2013 #1
I am a SNAP caseworker Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #2
Maybe they should. nt HomerRamone Oct 2013 #3
Rioting in 1967 is what saved Detroit FrodosPet Oct 2013 #8
Specious argument knitter4democracy Oct 2013 #15
About $1 a day cut for family of three. Incitatus Oct 2013 #16
It will be well over $1 a day for my MIL (and *just* her); actually closer to $2 PotatoChip Oct 2013 #33
Ouch, it's worse than I thought. Incitatus Oct 2013 #34
Perfectly sane and reasonable people do riot, though. Fawke Em Oct 2013 #5
What I have seen from most of my clients is dignity. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #10
Sometimes people need to be LESS understanding nt HomerRamone Oct 2013 #24
Good words from your side of the desk. It's obvious you care, thank you. mountain grammy Oct 2013 #30
Hey, I've been there and am still there. Fawke Em Nov 2013 #49
Good starving people *will* riot if starved long enough. Lars39 Oct 2013 #7
+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #9
You bet it is. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #11
It really isn't a bigoted statement NickB79 Oct 2013 #12
You're half right leftstreet Oct 2013 #14
Then maybe the best solution is to vote out the asshole Republicans that are forcing the cuts. Incitatus Oct 2013 #17
Yeah, Hillary and a Dem House'll fix everything! HomerRamone Oct 2013 #23
Thank you. As a recipient it means a lot what my workers think of me. Sure I am angry about the jwirr Oct 2013 #21
Right now nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #36
If they are good and smart people and I believe you when you say they are, tavalon Oct 2013 #44
without exception, i usually often totally generally 110% agree, for the most part completely. unblock Oct 2013 #4
Don't worry about those hungry poors rioting. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #6
Scary but true OneCrazyDiamond Oct 2013 #25
Too true Roarybeans Oct 2013 #27
Nah, I didn't see any teabaggers maced at the White House. Incitatus Oct 2013 #31
"whiff of grapeshot" ...Someone will profit from this... Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #46
Starving people have contributed to... Xolodno Oct 2013 #13
Bonus Army? Kent State? SQUEE Oct 2013 #18
Pay attention Roarybeans Oct 2013 #28
don't forget about the group formerly... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #19
Good point... Xolodno Oct 2013 #32
The wealthy run this country... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #35
Important stuff. Odd it isn't the lead on CNN. cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #20
It gets even better - a lot of soup kitchens take off hedgehog Oct 2013 #22
why was the increase Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #26
the increase was part questionseverything Oct 2013 #47
Why do I get a scary feeling in my gut? Brigid Oct 2013 #29
"Dem belly full, but we hungry ... 1000words Oct 2013 #37
It is said . . . Brigid Oct 2013 #38
My friend that receives food stamps lost $11, now he gets $189. texanwitch Oct 2013 #39
80 billion on food stamps but questionseverything Oct 2013 #48
This is classist and insulting and trying to inspire a fear of the poor. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #40
Classist and insulting? HomerRamone Oct 2013 #41
Exactly - it is meant to dehumanize the poor TBF Oct 2013 #42
K&R Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #43
class warfare at its worst lovuian Oct 2013 #45

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
2. I am a SNAP caseworker
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:55 PM
Oct 2013

there is no indication that my perfectly sane and reasonable clients are going to riot. I actually believe the suggestion is insulting. These are good people.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
8. Rioting in 1967 is what saved Detroit
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:07 PM
Oct 2013

The City of Detroit, and its citizens, are now prosperous and highly respected because of the riots of the late 60s.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
15. Specious argument
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:19 PM
Oct 2013

Saying that Detroit is the way it is now due to the riots is like saying LA is doing as well as it is now due to their riots. The riots are not the reason why Detroit has deteriorated.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
16. About $1 a day cut for family of three.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:49 PM
Oct 2013

$30 a month for a broke family is a lot and I think the benefits should be increased because inflation not decreased, but that is still a long way from creating riots.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
33. It will be well over $1 a day for my MIL (and *just* her); actually closer to $2
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:34 PM
Oct 2013

They are cutting her food stamps down from $161/month to $103/month.

She is 82 and lives on less than 1K/month SS.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
34. Ouch, it's worse than I thought.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:37 PM
Oct 2013

It must me a complete lack of conscience or a lot of sedatives that allow those Republicans to sleep at night. That does make the rumors of Republican congressmen being wasted on the job easier to believe.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
5. Perfectly sane and reasonable people do riot, though.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:59 PM
Oct 2013

I don't consider rioting a necessarily evil or destructive thing.

In this case, when Congress is so elite that they can't fathom the needs of the poor and working class and their actions continue to denigrate and punish the poor and working class, then rioting for change is perfectly sane and reasonable. The squeaky wheel gets the oil and, while the media elite and the politicians have been attempting to ignore this squeaky wheel for some time, now, rioting will ensure that they can no longer be ignored.

That said, bless you for your hard work. I can't imagine the poverty you have to see.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
10. What I have seen from most of my clients is dignity.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:35 PM
Oct 2013

They have been very understanding of the changes. Most of my clients work, and many say they would rather not need any assistance. Many have said they are glad just to get something. Most of my clients are ordinary working Americans who are having a very hard time right now. There is a stereotype that is the "food-stamp recipient that after being a caseworker for 5 years that I reject. I myself am just one paycheck away from being on the other side of the desk.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
49. Hey, I've been there and am still there.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:30 AM
Nov 2013

Most working people are.

And, I DO understand they want dignity. I was just pointing out that I don't find rioting, picketing, revolutionizing as "undignified."

We should all be treated like humans.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
7. Good starving people *will* riot if starved long enough.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:04 PM
Oct 2013

You don't have to be insane or unreasonable or bad to riot because you are denied food and are slowly starving to death.

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
9. +1
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:28 PM
Oct 2013

It's a very bigoted statement against impoverished people

I have to hope some people don't realize how it really sounds

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
12. It really isn't a bigoted statement
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:39 PM
Oct 2013

Food insecurity IS the primary cause of social unrest. It goes beyond social class, as well. Deprive a family of food, even one that was well-off, and you will see them get very angry, very quick. I'm middle-class, but just the thought of my daughter slowly starving would put me in the streets in no time if there were no other options.

The reason it sounds bigoted to some is because people who are middle-class always assume THEY'D behave differently than those currently impoverished, because they've never felt true hunger and desperation.

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
14. You're half right
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:43 PM
Oct 2013

Middle class people always assume they have options the impoverished don't have. A good cul-de-sac liberal would simply call his/her Congressperson before starving

The problem in this article is the quote was made by the CEO of the NY Food Bank. That's creepy. She should use her position to advance awareness of food insecurity, instead of throwing out a scare-mongering soundbite painting her clients as rabble to get some attention

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
17. Then maybe the best solution is to vote out the asshole Republicans that are forcing the cuts.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:56 PM
Oct 2013

Voter education can he hard when the majority of the media is controlled by a few so called elites and people on low income are more likely to have limited resources to information. Some may not understand the entire issue and say screw both parties and not even bother to vote.

HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
23. Yeah, Hillary and a Dem House'll fix everything!
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:40 PM
Oct 2013

Of course, if you don't have enough to eat for the next year or three...

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
21. Thank you. As a recipient it means a lot what my workers think of me. Sure I am angry about the
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:25 PM
Oct 2013

rethug cuts that are nothing but greed but going to jail will not help my food budget.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
44. If they are good and smart people and I believe you when you say they are,
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:02 PM
Oct 2013

they should riot and you should be out there with them, since you seem the sort who cares. There is no "right" to what is happening. My disabled son couldn't live on what he got before. He won't now. But we will find a way, and yeah, a little rioting for his rights might well be in there. I am a good person.

unblock

(52,256 posts)
4. without exception, i usually often totally generally 110% agree, for the most part completely.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:59 PM
Oct 2013

hmm, i wonder if "riots typically begin always the same way" would mean the same thing.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
6. Don't worry about those hungry poors rioting.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:03 PM
Oct 2013

Any given police force in this country probably has enough firepower to handle them.

Roarybeans

(48 posts)
27. Too true
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:51 PM
Oct 2013

Police are always unleashes on those who exercise their right to disagree with their government.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
31. Nah, I didn't see any teabaggers maced at the White House.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:03 PM
Oct 2013

Even as they were SHOVING cops into a corner.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
46. "whiff of grapeshot" ...Someone will profit from this...
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:50 PM
Oct 2013

13 Vendémiaire: Napoleon, then a brigadier general during the later stages of the French Revolution, famously dispersed a Royalist mob on the streets of Paris with a "whiff of grapeshot" on 5 October 1795. He was rewarded with the command of the Army of Italy in 1796, and his victories at the battles of Lodi, Castiglione, Arcola and Rivoli provided a springboard for his military and political ambitions.


Causing unrest furthers someone plans

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
13. Starving people have contributed to...
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:41 PM
Oct 2013

...Russian Revolution and French Revolution.

People just wanting the basic necessity of food....then the powers that be send troops to put down their "unrealistic demands"....and the troops....change sides. Something really hard about opening fire on your own family.

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)
18. Bonus Army? Kent State?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:09 PM
Oct 2013

Somehow your theory seems to not hold here in the US. The Bonus Army were veterans, fired on by soldiers, many of whom were fellow WWI vets. Many American soldiers hold civilians with clear disdain and distaste, I have never counted on them not firing on me due to my nationality, I remember all too well being a young NCO wanting to go into South Central in '92, and everyone else in my unit were just as jazzed.....

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
19. don't forget about the group formerly...
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:14 PM
Oct 2013

known as Blackwater. Mercanaries are only loyal to the dollar.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
32. Good point...
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:17 PM
Oct 2013

...question is...

Will it only exacerbate the problem?

People seeing defenseless poor people being shot by hired government goons....could put fear....could do the opposite.

Really depends on the desperation of people and what they are willing to resort to.

Smart nations learned a long time ago, keep the populace fed, they are less likely to revolt....given the smarts of republicans these days...and invoking "God" as justification....

Reminds me of the wealthy in Russia and France before their revolutions....and having the backing of the church.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
35. The wealthy run this country...
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 07:01 PM
Oct 2013

and they are desperate to keep it so. I don't think they have learned one thing from history- but they do have a damn good propoganda machine (corporate media) now.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
22. It gets even better - a lot of soup kitchens take off
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:26 PM
Oct 2013

the week of Thanksgiving because the volunteers are home cooking for their own families. So the first month food stamps run short, many church groups won't be there.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
39. My friend that receives food stamps lost $11, now he gets $189.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 11:29 PM
Oct 2013

He also helps a neighbor who receives food stamps has 3 kids.

The neighbor lost a around $50 or so.

My friend uses coupons and is really good at shopping.

He told he me he will go without before the kids do.

What the hell is wrong with a country where rich assholes would take food away from people.

We had plenty of money for wars, always money for wars.

HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
41. Classist and insulting?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:11 AM
Oct 2013

Most people in this country, middle class and down, are too stupidly apathetic to riot when they probably *should* be inspiring fear in the powers-that-be. That's not classist, and if it's insulting it's well-deserved. (I was an Occupier and will be out there with them again...)

TBF

(32,067 posts)
42. Exactly - it is meant to dehumanize the poor
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:16 AM
Oct 2013

so they can continue to be treated as less than human. It's disgusting especially from someone who should be an advocate.

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