General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums“Riots always begin typically the same way”: Food stamp shutdown looms Friday
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/28/riots_always_begin_typically_the_same_way_food_stamp_shutdown_looms_friday/<...>
The fact that theyre going to lose whats basically an entire weeks worth food each month, said Purvis, its pretty daunting. She told Salon that while policymakers are attempting to punish people for being poor, and people are comforted by believing that they know that a person has to have done something wrong in order to be poor, in reality, I can tell you that more and more folks have more than one job and are still needing help. (As I reported last week, audio recorded by a McDonalds worker-activist showed a counselor on an employee hotline encouraging her to sign up for food stamps because it takes a lot of the pressure off how much money you spend on groceries.) Purvis added that cutting food stamps was not even good business sense, because each dollar of food stamps infuses over $1.70 of spending into the economy.
Some prominent conservatives have questioned the significance of public assistance cuts for the poor. Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kistol contended during the government shutdown that its not going to be the end of the world, honestly, even if youre on nutritional assistance from the federal government. The state of Arkansas can help out, localities can help out, churches can help out, I believe no one is going to starve in Arkansas because of the shutdown. Asked about such claims, Purvis said that citing the efforts of groups like hers as a reason not to worry about public assistance cuts was one of the most ill-informed arguments on the planet. She told Salon, the first line of defense against hunger is a food stamp. While some have had this way of romanticizing charity, she said, charity is also a system that is based on capacity and resources. Purvis added that politicians didnt make any additional resources available to these magical charities that they expect to step in for this devastation thats geared at the poorest of Americans.
Purvis said she and her colleagues are begging Congress to pass legislation by December to restore the expired funds. Rather than trying to raise a dollar to avert disaster privately, she said, a solution will require Americans to raise their voices, because the avenue has to be activism. In the meantime, she predicted a very tough Thanksgiving.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)there is no indication that my perfectly sane and reasonable clients are going to riot. I actually believe the suggestion is insulting. These are good people.
HomerRamone
(1,112 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)The City of Detroit, and its citizens, are now prosperous and highly respected because of the riots of the late 60s.
knitter4democracy
(14,350 posts)Saying that Detroit is the way it is now due to the riots is like saying LA is doing as well as it is now due to their riots. The riots are not the reason why Detroit has deteriorated.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)$30 a month for a broke family is a lot and I think the benefits should be increased because inflation not decreased, but that is still a long way from creating riots.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)They are cutting her food stamps down from $161/month to $103/month.
She is 82 and lives on less than 1K/month SS.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)It must me a complete lack of conscience or a lot of sedatives that allow those Republicans to sleep at night. That does make the rumors of Republican congressmen being wasted on the job easier to believe.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I don't consider rioting a necessarily evil or destructive thing.
In this case, when Congress is so elite that they can't fathom the needs of the poor and working class and their actions continue to denigrate and punish the poor and working class, then rioting for change is perfectly sane and reasonable. The squeaky wheel gets the oil and, while the media elite and the politicians have been attempting to ignore this squeaky wheel for some time, now, rioting will ensure that they can no longer be ignored.
That said, bless you for your hard work. I can't imagine the poverty you have to see.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)They have been very understanding of the changes. Most of my clients work, and many say they would rather not need any assistance. Many have said they are glad just to get something. Most of my clients are ordinary working Americans who are having a very hard time right now. There is a stereotype that is the "food-stamp recipient that after being a caseworker for 5 years that I reject. I myself am just one paycheck away from being on the other side of the desk.
HomerRamone
(1,112 posts)mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Most working people are.
And, I DO understand they want dignity. I was just pointing out that I don't find rioting, picketing, revolutionizing as "undignified."
We should all be treated like humans.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)You don't have to be insane or unreasonable or bad to riot because you are denied food and are slowly starving to death.
leftstreet
(36,109 posts)It's a very bigoted statement against impoverished people
I have to hope some people don't realize how it really sounds
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)These are ordinary people, trying like hell to make it like most of us are.
NickB79
(19,253 posts)Food insecurity IS the primary cause of social unrest. It goes beyond social class, as well. Deprive a family of food, even one that was well-off, and you will see them get very angry, very quick. I'm middle-class, but just the thought of my daughter slowly starving would put me in the streets in no time if there were no other options.
The reason it sounds bigoted to some is because people who are middle-class always assume THEY'D behave differently than those currently impoverished, because they've never felt true hunger and desperation.
leftstreet
(36,109 posts)Middle class people always assume they have options the impoverished don't have. A good cul-de-sac liberal would simply call his/her Congressperson before starving
The problem in this article is the quote was made by the CEO of the NY Food Bank. That's creepy. She should use her position to advance awareness of food insecurity, instead of throwing out a scare-mongering soundbite painting her clients as rabble to get some attention
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)Voter education can he hard when the majority of the media is controlled by a few so called elites and people on low income are more likely to have limited resources to information. Some may not understand the entire issue and say screw both parties and not even bother to vote.
HomerRamone
(1,112 posts)Of course, if you don't have enough to eat for the next year or three...
jwirr
(39,215 posts)rethug cuts that are nothing but greed but going to jail will not help my food budget.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)We have had food riots in American History.
We are not different now than oh 1931
http://www.xtimeline.com/evt/view.aspx?id=101108
Starve people long enough, they will.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)they should riot and you should be out there with them, since you seem the sort who cares. There is no "right" to what is happening. My disabled son couldn't live on what he got before. He won't now. But we will find a way, and yeah, a little rioting for his rights might well be in there. I am a good person.
unblock
(52,256 posts)hmm, i wonder if "riots typically begin always the same way" would mean the same thing.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Any given police force in this country probably has enough firepower to handle them.
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,032 posts)Roarybeans
(48 posts)Police are always unleashes on those who exercise their right to disagree with their government.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)Even as they were SHOVING cops into a corner.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)13 Vendémiaire: Napoleon, then a brigadier general during the later stages of the French Revolution, famously dispersed a Royalist mob on the streets of Paris with a "whiff of grapeshot" on 5 October 1795. He was rewarded with the command of the Army of Italy in 1796, and his victories at the battles of Lodi, Castiglione, Arcola and Rivoli provided a springboard for his military and political ambitions.
Causing unrest furthers someone plans
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)...Russian Revolution and French Revolution.
People just wanting the basic necessity of food....then the powers that be send troops to put down their "unrealistic demands"....and the troops....change sides. Something really hard about opening fire on your own family.
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)Somehow your theory seems to not hold here in the US. The Bonus Army were veterans, fired on by soldiers, many of whom were fellow WWI vets. Many American soldiers hold civilians with clear disdain and distaste, I have never counted on them not firing on me due to my nationality, I remember all too well being a young NCO wanting to go into South Central in '92, and everyone else in my unit were just as jazzed.....
Roarybeans
(48 posts)To our history.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)known as Blackwater. Mercanaries are only loyal to the dollar.
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)...question is...
Will it only exacerbate the problem?
People seeing defenseless poor people being shot by hired government goons....could put fear....could do the opposite.
Really depends on the desperation of people and what they are willing to resort to.
Smart nations learned a long time ago, keep the populace fed, they are less likely to revolt....given the smarts of republicans these days...and invoking "God" as justification....
Reminds me of the wealthy in Russia and France before their revolutions....and having the backing of the church.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and they are desperate to keep it so. I don't think they have learned one thing from history- but they do have a damn good propoganda machine (corporate media) now.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)On second thought... not odd at all. But inexcuable.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)the week of Thanksgiving because the volunteers are home cooking for their own families. So the first month food stamps run short, many church groups won't be there.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Temporary in the first place?
Temporary increases expire. ...
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)of stimulus package
Brigid
(17,621 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)... a hungry mob is an angry mob."
-- Brother Bob
Brigid
(17,621 posts)That any society is about 10 meals from anarchy.
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)He also helps a neighbor who receives food stamps has 3 kids.
The neighbor lost a around $50 or so.
My friend uses coupons and is really good at shopping.
He told he me he will go without before the kids do.
What the hell is wrong with a country where rich assholes would take food away from people.
We had plenty of money for wars, always money for wars.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)800 billion to spy on us? doesnt make sense to me either
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)HomerRamone
(1,112 posts)Most people in this country, middle class and down, are too stupidly apathetic to riot when they probably *should* be inspiring fear in the powers-that-be. That's not classist, and if it's insulting it's well-deserved. (I was an Occupier and will be out there with them again...)
TBF
(32,067 posts)so they can continue to be treated as less than human. It's disgusting especially from someone who should be an advocate.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)lovuian
(19,362 posts)this hits children
We can build bombs but can't feed our children