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littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:53 AM Oct 2013

police smell meth - raid house, kill 80 year old man find no meth.

Last edited Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)

www.policestateusa.com/2013/police-kill-80-year-old-man-in-his-bed-after-claiming-his-house-smelled-like-meth/


LOS ANGELES, CA — A raid team was sent to break into a home after allegedly smelling chemicals outside the building. Instead of the the meth lab they were hoping to find, deputies barged in on a sleeping 80-year-old man with poor vision. The retired engineer was shot to death while still in his bed, as the invaders searched the home hoping to enforce prohibition laws.

At around 7:30 a.m., prohibition-enforcement agents barged into the ranch through an unlocked front door. They quickly made their way to the master bedroom where Eugene Mallory, 80, resided. Hearing unwelcome strangers in his house, the octogenarian had allegedly picked up a pistol. Police saw the armed homeowner and shot him dead, fearing for their safety. Six rounds struck and killed him while still in bed.


Disappointed deputies found no meth on the property, but they did confiscate Mallory’s two pistols. In another part of the property — a trailer where his wife’s 22-year-old son lives — police confiscated a small amount of medical marijuana from the son’s bedroom. They touted this as a successful outcome to their aggressive raid. They had cleared the streets of some life-destroying plants.
“The truth of the matter is it was a narcotics search warrant. And what did they find on the premises? They found marijuana and they found a full grow operation that was producing the marijuana on site,” gloated sheriff’s spokesman Steve Whitmore.

This “grow operation” that the killers were touting could have been as simple as a pot and a watering can. Instead of admitting their mistake and begging the family’s forgiveness, the department redoubled its efforts to make criminals out of the family.
“There was a drug operation that was certainly going on in this house,” Whitmore declared.

more at the link

don't you feel safer now?

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police smell meth - raid house, kill 80 year old man find no meth. (Original Post) littlewolf Oct 2013 OP
This kind of crap has got to stop. CanonRay Oct 2013 #1
I'm surprised. Usually cops carrry enough "throw down" meth to make the raid a success. russspeakeasy Oct 2013 #27
Our police are taking out people like they are on a military operation! Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #2
Thread Winner FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Oct 2013 #63
You fuckin' A know it's coming. TransitJohn Oct 2013 #77
Because it IS a military operation Scootaloo Oct 2013 #67
They ARE--and we are the occupied enemy population. nt tblue37 Oct 2013 #91
What THE HELL happened to our CIVIL RIGHTS! Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #110
Military and the police have to be shut down. We are paying for this. reddread Oct 2013 #3
Thanks for the link. SoapBox Oct 2013 #42
This kind of stuff scares me way more than NSA stuff. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2013 #4
Uh... Oilwellian Oct 2013 #14
Then why didn't they know this raid was worthless? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #23
Government over-reach is government over-reach - no matter the source. lark Oct 2013 #16
Sorry. Govt over reach with black boots and semi automatics leftyladyfrommo Oct 2013 #65
OWS - check lark Oct 2013 #113
yes. i was in college when kent State happened. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2013 #115
It is all part of the same system: the national security state. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #59
This is just sooooo unacceptable! CrispyQ Oct 2013 #5
The militarization of police and not being held accountable sakabatou Oct 2013 #75
So depressing... TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #6
If they're going to go by smell, KamaAina Oct 2013 #7
Sometimes dogs can be reliable. Eager-to-please dogs can also alert on whatever they think will AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #10
...AND on what the handlers "interpret " from the dog's behavior. bvar22 Oct 2013 #58
A "drug-sniffing" dog couldn't keep away from me once at an international airport Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #76
Sad - so what's the defense? How do we stop it? jtuck004 Oct 2013 #8
great questions 99th_Monkey Oct 2013 #17
In France, thje sans-culottes revolted, got rid of the tyrants. jtuck004 Oct 2013 #41
I suspect it's likely to be a "bloodbath" either way, eventually. 99th_Monkey Oct 2013 #48
What I think will happen, as opposed to a revolution where people try to build something new, jtuck004 Oct 2013 #56
What I have been pondering 2naSalit Oct 2013 #24
We need a national commission on law enforcement standards and practices. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #111
When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #9
How long will we allow this? nt Logical Oct 2013 #11
no PatrynXX Oct 2013 #12
Terry Gilliam tried to warn us about this 28 years ago, but we didn't listen 99th_Monkey Oct 2013 #13
one way we stop this is to hold cops littlewolf Oct 2013 #15
You're right. Iggo Oct 2013 #39
They thought they were vindicated in their killing of an innocent 80-year-old man gollygee Oct 2013 #18
Where drug policy and gun policy intersect. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #19
They couldn't knock on the door? tblue Oct 2013 #20
Yes. "No-knock" warrrants. Cops NEVER get punished for killings, even at wrong addresses. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #22
They need to get rid of these no knock warrants and end the war on drugs. Th1onein Oct 2013 #82
We should own guns for protection, and then, when we want to protect ourselves, the cops kill us!! WinkyDink Oct 2013 #21
It sounds like it was reasonable for Mr Mallory think he was under attack. aikoaiko Oct 2013 #25
Damn. Owl Oct 2013 #26
And you know the stock response --- "There will be an Internal Affairs investigation." lpbk2713 Oct 2013 #28
They hate us for our freedoms The Wizard Oct 2013 #29
of course if we legalized drugs all this would stop. littlewolf Oct 2013 #31
Two points TransitJohn Oct 2013 #79
Assuming it all went down as described in the article. How can anyone support this? penultimate Oct 2013 #32
Guaranteed judicial finding: "Police were acting within scope of their authority." Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #108
fuck tha police frylock Oct 2013 #33
Clearly there was no meth smell (just an excuse), so why did they go in there? valerief Oct 2013 #34
Sometimes I think they just get bored. It's a game to them. Incitatus Oct 2013 #61
For those who think that the cops only kill Black Americans, here's what he looked like: AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #35
They kill whoever they want to and get away with it. Rex Oct 2013 #46
No-knock raids by SWAT teams are estimated to be 70,000 to 80,000 per year, and growing. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #51
He was prolly a social security moocher anyway. Good riddance. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #89
"Mallory, who had celebrated his 80th birthday one month prior to his death, had no criminal record. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #36
The shocking thing here is the justification for the raid jmowreader Oct 2013 #37
So who ratted the guy off in the first place? NBachers Oct 2013 #83
Mineral spirits have a strong and pervasive aroma jmowreader Oct 2013 #88
Yay, Cops! Iggo Oct 2013 #38
+1 You win this one! Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #53
Well there will be those who say it's the 80-year-old man's fault for allowing the ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #40
They will say he reached for a gun and deserved to be killed. Rex Oct 2013 #47
The best report of an LEO who shot a totally innocent person was reported here: AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #52
Plus, the cops had to kill him, they feared for their safety. TransitJohn Oct 2013 #80
Maybe it would help to hire less fearful cops. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #84
His ranch was probably a Halliburton or Koch brothers illegal Hubert Flottz Oct 2013 #90
This shit really has to stop. It's like we're living in some kind of dystopian police state. Matariki Oct 2013 #43
WTF is going on with these police forces? TBF Oct 2013 #44
FIRST RESPONDERS ARE HEROES!!!!!!111111111 datasuspect Oct 2013 #45
I was under the mistaken perception that onethatcares Oct 2013 #49
No, I don't feel safer ellie Oct 2013 #50
What does meth smell like? Recursion Oct 2013 #54
A well used and unclean cat box. L0oniX Oct 2013 #98
Tell me again the such as this is not police-state tactics on 'roids. indepat Oct 2013 #55
The 'cure' is worse than the problem. CFLDem Oct 2013 #57
What "cure" is worse than meth? What do you mean? uppityperson Oct 2013 #74
By 'cure' I mean CFLDem Oct 2013 #95
Is the problem the police do not react right, or the fact they go after meth labs? uppityperson Oct 2013 #106
I concur that the problem is with police tactics. CFLDem Oct 2013 #114
Drug prohibtion is worse than meth. Drug use should be viewed as a public health issue. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #112
Prohibition is a failed public policy. nt TeamPooka Oct 2013 #60
Fucking pigs lillypaddle Oct 2013 #62
Fucking asshole cops, gopiscrap Oct 2013 #64
more info: Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #66
When do they go on trial for murder one? Hubert Flottz Oct 2013 #68
police have full immunity, no matter what happens. nt littlewolf Oct 2013 #71
Check this out Littlewolf Hubert Flottz Oct 2013 #72
Wow. You should post that as an OP. cui bono Oct 2013 #86
The glorification of the uniform must stop! Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #69
Another victory for teh Drug War! Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #70
Dick "dick" Cheney would say that it was a success because we now KNOW he didn't have a meth lab. corkhead Oct 2013 #73
Pig scum. How many of those assholes feel any remorse? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #78
Just like WMD ourfuneral Oct 2013 #81
80 year old model citizen with impaired vision dies in a hail of police bullets NBachers Oct 2013 #85
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #87
Police state neoAmerica. woo me with science Oct 2013 #92
Widow of elderly man killed by LA deputies seeks $50M in lawsuit OKNancy Oct 2013 #93
good I hope she wins every dime and more. eom littlewolf Oct 2013 #94
Murder and not so much as an apology to his family? AAO Oct 2013 #96
Stories like this JackInGreen Oct 2013 #97
The Blue Fascists strike again! Oakenshield Oct 2013 #99
Cue the badge sniffers in 5...4...3...2...1... Nanjing to Seoul Oct 2013 #100
GAWD. What a horrible way to end a life--by a police gun--for riversedge Oct 2013 #101
When is something going to be done? damnedifIknow Oct 2013 #102
Widow to Sue Over Fatal Shooting of Husband, 80, by Sheriff’s Deputies riversedge Oct 2013 #103
Good thing law enforcement officers had guns to keep us all safe. closeupready Oct 2013 #104
TV said body cremated before wife could see it or have an autopsy. Festivito Oct 2013 #105
That happened a few years ago in PA JPZenger Oct 2013 #107
War mentality. Coyotl Oct 2013 #109

Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
67. Because it IS a military operation
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:30 PM
Oct 2013

And Americans, huddled under our desks in mortal terror of drugs and thugs, have let it get this way.

Baitball Blogger

(46,737 posts)
110. What THE HELL happened to our CIVIL RIGHTS!
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:14 PM
Oct 2013

That's what I want to know. It's one thing when local government conspires with a small group within your community to deprive you of your rights, but it's a whole 'nother thing when police think they're hunting bin Laden when they break down your door.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
42. Thanks for the link.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:50 PM
Oct 2013

I line in L.A. And never heard of this.

The sheriff's department is out of control and answers to no one.

lark

(23,115 posts)
16. Government over-reach is government over-reach - no matter the source.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:39 PM
Oct 2013

Cops, NSA, CIA - they are all out to get us. At least that's my paranoid theory.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,869 posts)
65. Sorry. Govt over reach with black boots and semi automatics
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:22 PM
Oct 2013

is something pretty new.

There has been government spying for as long as I can remember. It changes some over time but it's always been there.

lark

(23,115 posts)
113. OWS - check
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:42 PM
Oct 2013

Drones in this country - check. Government with black boots and semi-automatics is here, and has been been in the past as well, even though it's vile and disgusting. Black boots and semi-automatics were also used against college kids during Vietnam War protests - remember Kent State?

leftyladyfrommo

(18,869 posts)
115. yes. i was in college when kent State happened.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 10:54 AM
Oct 2013

But back then that was a real aberration. There were also military like operations against other urban terrorists. Not that the kent State students were urban terrorists. But there were all of those Underground, anti government groups - the Weathermen and such.

Now this black boot stuff has become fairly common. And the thing is. They break down the wrong door, kill your dogs, wreck your house and then don't even say "sorry." It's just standard operating procedure.

I was thinking about the spying thing yesterday. There has always been spying and spies and international intrigue. But the internet has just made it ridiculously easy. I would bet anything that everybody is doing it and everybody is denying and acting outraged. But everyone knows it goes on all the time.

Why don't they just stay off the grid?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
59. It is all part of the same system: the national security state.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:55 PM
Oct 2013

The spying, the militarization of the police, the prison industrial complex, the military industrial complex, it is all part of the same system. We cannot reform it piecemeal. The whole thing has to be torn down.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
5. This is just sooooo unacceptable!
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:01 PM
Oct 2013

What kind of training do police officers get these days? Seriously, an 80 year old man, supposedly reaching for his gun while he is still waking up, left the police "fearing for their safety?" These he-man police are not as brave as they think they are, or could it be that there are many who are just outright killers, using any excuse they can to vent their aggression?

What's it going to take for Americans to wake up & realize our police forces are being militarized & they view We the People as the enemy?

on edit: Checking out more of that site. Dogs are evidently a favorite target.

300-pound officer shoots 12-pound terrier, claims it threatened his life
The Georgia Department of Corrections states that "the Probation Officer responded appropriately"
October 28, 2013 by Oz in Uncategorized


Innocent citizens held at gunpoint in terrifying California checkpoints
Staring down the barrel of freedom at a government checkpoint during a manhunt.
October 27, 2013 by PSUSA in Uncategorized


Police perform “simulated drug raid” on 5th graders; child attacked by police dog
A "drug awareness" event turned out to be more of a "police state" conditioning drill for a group of 5th graders.
October 25, 2013 by PSUSA in Uncategorized

Pit bull may need leg amputation after officer shot it 3 times in its driveway
"I heard three shots, but I thought it was a stun gun"
October 25, 2013 by Oz in Uncategorized

Dallas police opened fire on unarmed man as he stood in his doorway
“I guess I wasn’t supposed to tell them to get the light out of my face,” Blair said.
October 23, 2013 by SovereignSon in Uncategorized


13-year-old shot to death by police for open-carrying a toy rifle
"Today is the day you may need to kill someone in order to go home," Andy's killer wrote in S.W.A.T. Magazine
October 23, 2013 by PSUSA in Uncategorized

Woman left to bottle-feed puppy litter after cop shoots their mother in back of the head
“I felt her take her last breath, and she was dead.”
October 23, 2013 by Oz in Uncategorized


Woman called for a medical response after fiancé took too many pills, police arrive and shoot him
"My son raised his hands. The officer took his gun, fired — one, two, three. I heard four shots. My son fell. Nothing in his hands.”
October 20, 2013 by O.D. in Uncategorized


Dallas cops shoot mentally ill man, lie about him charging with a knife
Video evidence contradicts the wild tale of shooting a knife-wielding suspect.
October 18, 2013 by PSUSA in Uncategorized

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
6. So depressing...
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:15 PM
Oct 2013

Another day, another example of the fucked up 21st century militarized police state new world reality.

Yay cops.

RIP, the America I grew up in.

TYY

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
10. Sometimes dogs can be reliable. Eager-to-please dogs can also alert on whatever they think will
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:26 PM
Oct 2013
please their handlers.

In both ways, the results depend upon the dogs' perception of what they think that their handlers want.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
58. ...AND on what the handlers "interpret " from the dog's behavior.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:12 PM
Oct 2013

This is wide open for whatever the handler wishes the dog was trying to say.

The outrage is that something that is so Wide-Open-to-Interpretation is used in court.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
76. A "drug-sniffing" dog couldn't keep away from me once at an international airport
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:26 AM
Oct 2013

I was just about to enter one of the customs lines, and all the customs agents started staring at me. So, when I finally got to a customs agent, I was told to go into the search room. Of course, they didn't find any contraband, but they did finally notice the dog hairs on my clothes that weren't from their dog. Yup, I had been handling a dog a little before I had boarded the flight, and that "drug sniffer" was merely excited about smelling the scent of another dog on me!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
8. Sad - so what's the defense? How do we stop it?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:17 PM
Oct 2013

Tired of hearing about these. Always sad, always tragic, nothing changes.

But there is ALWAYS a defense for every offense - what is it? Or are people just too apathetic-scared-conditioned to change it?
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
17. great questions
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:40 PM
Oct 2013

one thing for certain, the 80 yo "good guy" having a gun,
did NOT stop it.

Next stop, full-on armed revolution? <- this is a question.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
41. In France, thje sans-culottes revolted, got rid of the tyrants.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:44 PM
Oct 2013

The wealthy took over, and, eventually, got rid of the sans-culottes, many of whom got the same treatment.

Their problem was that they were not educated and organized, tried to do things as a leaderless group. Many got killed for it.

The problem with this image of revolution, rolling out the guillotines, is that they were eventually used on the worker.

Unless people are trained and educated, it would be a bloodbath here, and the result would likely be worse than we have now.

And that training and education would probably take decades, and it would be fought against by not just one's enemies, but their so-called friends, who are more likely to try to put out the fire in their Master's house than their own.

http://field-negro.blogspot.com/2012/05/its-21st-century-but-house-negro-is.html#.Um_zG3iP_W8

When he spoke those words he was pushing black nationalism, but after he returned from Europe he said he was wrong. He had discovered that white people were essentially on the same big plantation, and that it was the plantation masters (today the lords of finance) that were the evil.

And until more people than not can conceptualize that, and are prepared to re-enter life in 1976 again, getting rid of all the borrowed money the financiers have used to strip them of the means of production, we don't stand a chance of real, substantial change.



 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
48. I suspect it's likely to be a "bloodbath" either way, eventually.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:51 PM
Oct 2013

Otherwise why the NDAA? Why this ultra-militarization of our domestic police? Why does FEMA need those billions of rounds of live ammunition?



Of course the key word is "eventually".. 6 mo? 1 yr.? 3 yrs.?

Perhaps no one knows for sure. But what does seem certain it IS just a matter of time.

Wouldn't you agree?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
56. What I think will happen, as opposed to a revolution where people try to build something new,
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:27 PM
Oct 2013

is just a containment and or killing of people who are hungry, desperate, or scared, and they react like a mob. That is quelled, and they go back to their huts. Then it repeats a few times.

And we become a place with islands of the rich surrounded by tar paper shacks, while the rest of the world moves on.

2naSalit

(86,650 posts)
24. What I have been pondering
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:58 PM
Oct 2013

for several years now is something a friend from the eastern bloc of communist European countries mentioned years ago... "It seems they want everyone to have a gun so that a war on civilians can take place in this country." The point being, it helps generate more arms manufacturing by keeping the public edgy about each other and the militarized police requesting more and more weaponry to keep up this kind of crap. It's the NSA, NRA and our Congress/state legislators for hire that all need to change and soon or we will be just another continent sized war zone that profits only the mic/fascist factions.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
9. When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:25 PM
Oct 2013

Our militarized police conversion is starting to bear fruit.

And it is disgusting fruit indeed.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
12. no
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:29 PM
Oct 2013

scarier still. grandpa passed away in 1996. and he had guns. fortunately they were able to take him to a nursing home. and he also had worked at Lockheed Martin. We still have some notebooks around. Cops have something against workers at Lockheed Martin?? (grandma was killed by a drunk in a car accident in 1978 I think although she knew mom was pregnant with my brother... again I think... thats what they tell me

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
15. one way we stop this is to hold cops
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:34 PM
Oct 2013

legally responsable, meaning they kick in the wrong door
and kill someone, no more oopsy sorry about that, and let
the insurance company settle. no cops get sued and sent to
jail.

in this case, you would have to have video and audio
inside your house to protect yourselves FROM THE COPS.

so very sad, RIP America.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
39. You're right.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:39 PM
Oct 2013

The same thing needs to happen to the cops as would happen to you or me if we did that to the cops.

Equal protection under the law...RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
18. They thought they were vindicated in their killing of an innocent 80-year-old man
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:46 PM
Oct 2013

because his son had one marijuana plant? When they weren't even looking for marijuana?

Sick.

(By the way, you might want to edit your post to take out the / before the url)

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
19. Where drug policy and gun policy intersect.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:46 PM
Oct 2013

We loves our gun rights and we loves our war on drugs. As a result, these kind of fatal drug raids happen a couple of dozen times a year. I reckon that while some drug suspects are ready to shoot it out with the cops, a substantial number of these fatalities are gun-owning Americans who pick up their weapon when armed intruders kick down their doors in the middle of the night.

Here's a list of this year's drug war killings (this guy is on it, page 2):

http://stopthedrugwar.org/taxonomy/term/252

tblue

(16,350 posts)
20. They couldn't knock on the door?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:47 PM
Oct 2013

They had a search warrant, but does that mean they are supposed to barge in without even ringing the doorbell? Is that how it goes?

Who wouldn't grab a gun (if they had one) when strangers enter their bedroom in the middle of the night? If that's even what really happened.

If the poor man had had a moment to get his glasses and come to the door, the cops could have told him what the hell they were there for and then conducted their fruitless search. The guy would be terrified, but he'd still be alive.

Ugh. This was all so unnecessary and it could happen to anybody. Good job, LA's Finest.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
82. They need to get rid of these no knock warrants and end the war on drugs.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:06 AM
Oct 2013

It's becoming a war on our citizens, and we are having more and more casualties.

I also think that we need to get the names and addresses of these cops and send people to THEIR HOMES and follow them around their communities, calling them what they are: "MURDERERS." Dog their trails, run people in shifts, following them, their wives, etc., never let them forget that they killed an innocent human being.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
25. It sounds like it was reasonable for Mr Mallory think he was under attack.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:04 PM
Oct 2013

All police raids should have helmet cameras on everyone who enters.

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
28. And you know the stock response --- "There will be an Internal Affairs investigation."
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:12 PM
Oct 2013



What they won't say is the insiders will know what the final results of the
investigation will be before any semblance of an investigation has begun.


littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
31. of course if we legalized drugs all this would stop.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:12 PM
Oct 2013

and police could go back to solving crimes you know
murder, rape, armed robberies, burgleries ...

but of course then the police would not need all that cool
equipment like armored personnel carriers

and they could no long take personnel property because
it could have been bought with drug money.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
79. Two points
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:47 AM
Oct 2013

Cops don't solve crimes, they make a plausible story to fit circumstances (sometimes it's the actual perpetrator)
Also, even if cops were in the 'solving crimes' business, there's no profit in solving murder, rape, armed robbery, or burglary cases for them.

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
32. Assuming it all went down as described in the article. How can anyone support this?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:12 PM
Oct 2013

We hear about similar shit like this all time, but there are still people who think mindless aggressiveness of the police is great crime fighting technique. I'd like to see someone explain how this is acceptable.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
34. Clearly there was no meth smell (just an excuse), so why did they go in there?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:17 PM
Oct 2013

Simply to kill someone?

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
61. Sometimes I think they just get bored. It's a game to them.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:25 PM
Oct 2013

Let's suit up and raid a house. Any excuse they can find. Surely some other method of investigation could be used in cases like this to find out their victims are really innocent, but that's just not as fun. Looks like another innocent victim and million dollar lawsuit against the LAPD. I hear about these a lot over there, where do they get all the money to constantly pay their victims. They must be the worst department in the country.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
46. They kill whoever they want to and get away with it.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:10 PM
Oct 2013

Clearly our police state has no value for human life, just theirs and their fellow officers. Funny, the only dangerous thing about pot is getting CAUGHT with it! Today that is a death sentence for ordinary people.

No one thinks they are going to die in a home invasion...but it appears to be a growing fad with LEOs. One more reason to NEVER trust a cop. All they want to do is find a way to put you in prison or 6 feet under.



 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
36. "Mallory, who had celebrated his 80th birthday one month prior to his death, had no criminal record.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:34 PM
Oct 2013
"He held a top level government security clearance and worked as an electrical engineer for Lockheed Martin in Palmdale until his seventies when, according to the claim filed, his vision became too poor to perform his duties at the company."

"In statements made in the Los Angeles Coroner’s Report regarding case number 2013-04556, Sheriff’s deputies involved in the shooting claimed that Mallory exited his bedroom and pointed a revolver at the law enforcement officers."

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1532059

However,

"according to the coroner's report, Eugene Mallory stood at 6'4 and the bullets entered his chest and torso at a downward angle."

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1532059

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
37. The shocking thing here is the justification for the raid
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:36 PM
Oct 2013

Someone smelled chemicals. Well, my friends, the chemicals used to make meth are paint thinner, which is also used as parts cleaner, and swimming pool acid.

What they are telling us here is they killed this guy for cleaning the carburetor on his lawn mower.

Meth is bad. Getting killed for not making any is worse. And seriously, Breaking Bad aside, does anyone really think senior citizens cook meth?

NBachers

(17,122 posts)
83. So who ratted the guy off in the first place?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:11 AM
Oct 2013

Like William S Burroughs said in his Thanksgiving Prayer: "Thanks for a nation of finks."

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
88. Mineral spirits have a strong and pervasive aroma
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 04:40 AM
Oct 2013

If the guy was...oh, say he was working on his car in the driveway, and cleaning parts there, and spilled some of the solvent on the concrete...you will smell that shit for a very long distance. Any passerby who smells the solvent might call the fire department..."hey, there's a really strong smell of flammable liquid in the area, could ya send a hazmat team out to look at it?"

But nowadays, EVERYTHING is drug related. Cleaning up some old guy's paint thinner spill in the driveway doesn't get your department more funding. Busting a meth lab, does.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
53. +1 You win this one!
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:13 PM
Oct 2013

At least we can all sleep a little sounder in the knowledge that the world is safe from 80 year old men that live in smelly houses.

And just think of all the taxpayer money saved by just breaking in and executing this scourge of civilization.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
40. Well there will be those who say it's the 80-year-old man's fault for allowing the
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:41 PM
Oct 2013

area around his house to smell like chemicals. He should have known better. Can't fault the police for doing their jobs.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
52. The best report of an LEO who shot a totally innocent person was reported here:
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:09 PM
Oct 2013

The deputy shot himself in the leg.

http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/friendswood/opinion/whitehead-transforming-america-s-schools-into-authoritarian-instruments-of-compliance/article_130d2e53-c666-5395-9c0a-869da62669cb.html

Unfortunately, the Sheriff's Department kept him on the job until he was recently suspended pending an investigation of his shooting of a 13-year old kid.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
80. Plus, the cops had to kill him, they feared for their safety.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:49 AM
Oct 2013

Shit gets tiresome as an excuse for cops' brutality and thuggish nature.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
43. This shit really has to stop. It's like we're living in some kind of dystopian police state.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:56 PM
Oct 2013

At least some of our citizens are.

TBF

(32,068 posts)
44. WTF is going on with these police forces?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:05 PM
Oct 2013

It appears that we need mass re-training at the local level. Kids, grandpas ... are they just going to start shooting us on the street now if they don't like how we look?

onethatcares

(16,173 posts)
49. I was under the mistaken perception that
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:51 PM
Oct 2013

the fourth amendment states the place and items to be searched for must be narrow in scope. Not just every place on a property looking for anything.

It's out of control folks, way past reining anything in at this point.

ellie

(6,929 posts)
50. No, I don't feel safer
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:05 PM
Oct 2013

In fact, every time I see a cop I go the other way. I am a middle-aged white woman. The police scare the shit out of me.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
54. What does meth smell like?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:16 PM
Oct 2013

Inquiring minds.

On that note: does meth get cut before sale? (The only drug I know much from experience is coke.)

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
57. The 'cure' is worse than the problem.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:58 PM
Oct 2013

But I think our war weary nation is starting to come to it senses...

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
95. By 'cure' I mean
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:42 AM
Oct 2013

the current prohibition enforcement strategy the results in the chaos listed on the OP.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
106. Is the problem the police do not react right, or the fact they go after meth labs?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:27 AM
Oct 2013

Is the problem the police won't admit a mistake or that they try to shut down meth labs?

I have no problem with shutting down meth labs but a lot of what police does is wrong. I would never say shutting down a meth lab is worse than the problems produced by the lab or by the usage of meth.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
114. I concur that the problem is with police tactics.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:55 PM
Oct 2013

I'm absolutely ok with shutting down hard drug peddlers, but there has to be a way that's not so trigger happy or militarized our society any further.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
112. Drug prohibtion is worse than meth. Drug use should be viewed as a public health issue.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:19 PM
Oct 2013

Not a criminal justice one.

Methamphetamine is a Schedule II controlled substance, available in pure form (Desoxyn) by prescription. It should be made available for those who desire it, as should drug treatment for those who need it.

Drug use, absent harm to others, should not be a crime. We have plenty of laws to deal with others being harmed.

At the risk of sounding somewhat callous, I say treat drug use like alcohol. Keep the cops out of it, except to clean up the mess.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
68. When do they go on trial for murder one?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 07:19 PM
Oct 2013

They took the time, to decide to act and they acted and the result was death, to an elderly American citizen. If you or I committed such an act, we would be doing life in prison, if our judge and jury didn't recommend our execution. So here Whitmore tries to turn the victims into the bad guys, so he and his boys can get away with murder. Whitmore is at least, probably obstructing justice in this case himself. Probable Cause? "Never Heard of it!"

They seem to just, make up the probable causes, as they go along, more lately.

Eugene Mallory is probably dead today, because his nosy neighbor didn't like his looks, or maybe because of his yapping little pup Elvis, or maybe the neighbor was annoyed by the young man's loud car and 200watt base speakers and she called the boys in blue, on the poor gent and his family. And told the authorities that the family next door, made a living growing "Drugs". Do you think that eighty year old Eugene Mallory, even knew what the kid's little bit of weed was?

Old folks do still value their lives, you know. Even if the people running our cities don't value them anymore.

I even made myself sad, thinking how little Eugene Mallory meant to the likes of Mr. Whitmore Do-Right. The old man really was standing his ground and he died for it. Maybe he was a decorated war veteran, or a discombobulated old retired gentleman of 80, who'd never been raided by the very people he'd paid to protect him. The shooters didn't care, "they were doing their job!"

Meanwhile, Eugene Mallory will go down,(If we let him.) as just the latest piece of American Collateral Damage, in this lifelong, costly, war on weed.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
72. Check this out Littlewolf
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 07:59 PM
Oct 2013

Qualified Immunity And The Police State

I get many calls each week from people who believe they have been abused by the police. That is because for many years I was at the forefront of police misconduct litigation. But these days I rarely file a complaint against police officers. It is not that I have become a police groupie. Rather, I've read the handwriting on the wall. In the past decade, there has been a silent coup d' etat. Our courts have transformed themselves into the guardians of a police state in a stunning, and largely unnoticed, act of judicial activism. Their primary tool was a tricky legal doctrine known as qualified immunity.

This coup has gone unnoticed by the general public. Even academics seem blind to its import. Practitioners know better. Read More



http://www.pattisblog.com/index.php?article=Qualified_Immunity_And_The_Police_State_2675

A dangerous state of affairs, innocent people are dying over it.

NBachers

(17,122 posts)
85. 80 year old model citizen with impaired vision dies in a hail of police bullets
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:28 AM
Oct 2013

Grandpa's dead - the cops murdered him.

Pinochet Inc.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
93. Widow of elderly man killed by LA deputies seeks $50M in lawsuit
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:27 AM
Oct 2013
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=9284183

LITTLEROCK, Calif. (KABC) -- The widow of an elderly man shot to death by Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies in the Antelope Valley is filing a lawsuit.

Tonya Pate, 48, is seeking $50 million in damages from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department after detectives raided her Littlerock home during the morning of June 27 and fatally shot her 80-year-old husband, Eugene Mallory.

"I am here today to tell you how much I love and miss Gene every day. He was a hardworking, gentle, loving, kind man. He never harmed anybody," said Pate.

Her lawyers filed a wrongful death claim alleging that narcotic detectives suspected methamphetamine was being cooked on the property, and, armed with a search warrant, busted into the retired Lockheed engineer's home unannounced and shot him dead in his bed. No meth was found.

(more at link)
 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
96. Murder and not so much as an apology to his family?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:10 AM
Oct 2013

(why should the apologize to wonton drug runners?)

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
97. Stories like this
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:55 AM
Oct 2013

make my vision blur. These gentlemen turn badges into targets, and should be ashamed, I hope they all find their ends by the means they lived with.

Oakenshield

(614 posts)
99. The Blue Fascists strike again!
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:12 AM
Oct 2013

Different story, same tragic outcome. There needs to be a national review of our law enforcement, which must include psychiatric evaluation.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
100. Cue the badge sniffers in 5...4...3...2...1...
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:29 AM
Oct 2013

Remember, it's not of them. One brought milk to some person after Sandy.

riversedge

(70,243 posts)
103. Widow to Sue Over Fatal Shooting of Husband, 80, by Sheriff’s Deputies
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:37 AM
Oct 2013

I hope they hit the pocketbooks-city budgets HARD.


Widow to Sue Over Fatal Shooting of Husband, 80, by Sheriff’s Deputies | KTLA 5 http://ktla.com/2013/10/10/widow-to-sue-over-fatal-shooting-of-husband-80-by-sheriffs-deputies/#axzz2hhs0vpGC

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
105. TV said body cremated before wife could see it or have an autopsy.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:54 AM
Oct 2013

Ew, there sure is a bad smell here.

JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
107. That happened a few years ago in PA
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:37 AM
Oct 2013

A few years ago, a woman in PA complained about an ammonia smell, which she said was coming from next door. Police automatically assumed it must be a meth house and burst into the house with a Swat team. Nothing there. It turned out the woman who made the complaint was a cat hoarder.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
109. War mentality.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:45 AM
Oct 2013

Religious belief systems train people to rationalize belief over reason. These asshats believe their own lies and rationalizations and have no capacity for critical reasoning about what they do. The envision "the enemy" and feel good about killing them.

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