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LOS ANGELES, CA A raid team was sent to break into a home after allegedly smelling chemicals outside the building. Instead of the the meth lab they were hoping to find, deputies barged in on a sleeping 80-year-old man with poor vision. The retired engineer was shot to death while still in his bed, as the invaders searched the home hoping to enforce prohibition laws.
At around 7:30 a.m., prohibition-enforcement agents barged into the ranch through an unlocked front door. They quickly made their way to the master bedroom where Eugene Mallory, 80, resided. Hearing unwelcome strangers in his house, the octogenarian had allegedly picked up a pistol. Police saw the armed homeowner and shot him dead, fearing for their safety. Six rounds struck and killed him while still in bed.
Disappointed deputies found no meth on the property, but they did confiscate Mallorys two pistols. In another part of the property a trailer where his wifes 22-year-old son lives police confiscated a small amount of medical marijuana from the sons bedroom. They touted this as a successful outcome to their aggressive raid. They had cleared the streets of some life-destroying plants.
The truth of the matter is it was a narcotics search warrant. And what did they find on the premises? They found marijuana and they found a full grow operation that was producing the marijuana on site, gloated sheriffs spokesman Steve Whitmore.
This grow operation that the killers were touting could have been as simple as a pot and a watering can. Instead of admitting their mistake and begging the familys forgiveness, the department redoubled its efforts to make criminals out of the family.
There was a drug operation that was certainly going on in this house, Whitmore declared.
more at the link
don't you feel safer now?
CanonRay
(14,104 posts)russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,737 posts)FreakinDJ
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TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And Americans, huddled under our desks in mortal terror of drugs and thugs, have let it get this way.
tblue37
(65,409 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,737 posts)That's what I want to know. It's one thing when local government conspires with a small group within your community to deprive you of your rights, but it's a whole 'nother thing when police think they're hunting bin Laden when they break down your door.
reddread
(6,896 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I line in L.A. And never heard of this.
The sheriff's department is out of control and answers to no one.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,869 posts)Scary, scary shit. This could happen to anyone.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)a lot of the NSA stuff is passed on to the DEA.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)lark
(23,115 posts)Cops, NSA, CIA - they are all out to get us. At least that's my paranoid theory.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,869 posts)is something pretty new.
There has been government spying for as long as I can remember. It changes some over time but it's always been there.
lark
(23,115 posts)Drones in this country - check. Government with black boots and semi-automatics is here, and has been been in the past as well, even though it's vile and disgusting. Black boots and semi-automatics were also used against college kids during Vietnam War protests - remember Kent State?
leftyladyfrommo
(18,869 posts)But back then that was a real aberration. There were also military like operations against other urban terrorists. Not that the kent State students were urban terrorists. But there were all of those Underground, anti government groups - the Weathermen and such.
Now this black boot stuff has become fairly common. And the thing is. They break down the wrong door, kill your dogs, wreck your house and then don't even say "sorry." It's just standard operating procedure.
I was thinking about the spying thing yesterday. There has always been spying and spies and international intrigue. But the internet has just made it ridiculously easy. I would bet anything that everybody is doing it and everybody is denying and acting outraged. But everyone knows it goes on all the time.
Why don't they just stay off the grid?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)The spying, the militarization of the police, the prison industrial complex, the military industrial complex, it is all part of the same system. We cannot reform it piecemeal. The whole thing has to be torn down.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)What kind of training do police officers get these days? Seriously, an 80 year old man, supposedly reaching for his gun while he is still waking up, left the police "fearing for their safety?" These he-man police are not as brave as they think they are, or could it be that there are many who are just outright killers, using any excuse they can to vent their aggression?
What's it going to take for Americans to wake up & realize our police forces are being militarized & they view We the People as the enemy?
on edit: Checking out more of that site. Dogs are evidently a favorite target.
300-pound officer shoots 12-pound terrier, claims it threatened his life
The Georgia Department of Corrections states that "the Probation Officer responded appropriately"
October 28, 2013 by Oz in Uncategorized
Innocent citizens held at gunpoint in terrifying California checkpoints
Staring down the barrel of freedom at a government checkpoint during a manhunt.
October 27, 2013 by PSUSA in Uncategorized
Police perform simulated drug raid on 5th graders; child attacked by police dog
A "drug awareness" event turned out to be more of a "police state" conditioning drill for a group of 5th graders.
October 25, 2013 by PSUSA in Uncategorized
Pit bull may need leg amputation after officer shot it 3 times in its driveway
"I heard three shots, but I thought it was a stun gun"
October 25, 2013 by Oz in Uncategorized
Dallas police opened fire on unarmed man as he stood in his doorway
I guess I wasnt supposed to tell them to get the light out of my face, Blair said.
October 23, 2013 by SovereignSon in Uncategorized
13-year-old shot to death by police for open-carrying a toy rifle
"Today is the day you may need to kill someone in order to go home," Andy's killer wrote in S.W.A.T. Magazine
October 23, 2013 by PSUSA in Uncategorized
Woman left to bottle-feed puppy litter after cop shoots their mother in back of the head
I felt her take her last breath, and she was dead.
October 23, 2013 by Oz in Uncategorized
Woman called for a medical response after fiancé took too many pills, police arrive and shoot him
"My son raised his hands. The officer took his gun, fired one, two, three. I heard four shots. My son fell. Nothing in his hands.
October 20, 2013 by O.D. in Uncategorized
Dallas cops shoot mentally ill man, lie about him charging with a knife
Video evidence contradicts the wild tale of shooting a knife-wielding suspect.
October 18, 2013 by PSUSA in Uncategorized
sakabatou
(42,158 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)Another day, another example of the fucked up 21st century militarized police state new world reality.
Yay cops.
RIP, the America I grew up in.
TYY
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)at least use goddamn dogs!
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)In both ways, the results depend upon the dogs' perception of what they think that their handlers want.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)This is wide open for whatever the handler wishes the dog was trying to say.
The outrage is that something that is so Wide-Open-to-Interpretation is used in court.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I was just about to enter one of the customs lines, and all the customs agents started staring at me. So, when I finally got to a customs agent, I was told to go into the search room. Of course, they didn't find any contraband, but they did finally notice the dog hairs on my clothes that weren't from their dog. Yup, I had been handling a dog a little before I had boarded the flight, and that "drug sniffer" was merely excited about smelling the scent of another dog on me!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Tired of hearing about these. Always sad, always tragic, nothing changes.
But there is ALWAYS a defense for every offense - what is it? Or are people just too apathetic-scared-conditioned to change it?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)one thing for certain, the 80 yo "good guy" having a gun,
did NOT stop it.
Next stop, full-on armed revolution? <- this is a question.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)The wealthy took over, and, eventually, got rid of the sans-culottes, many of whom got the same treatment.
Their problem was that they were not educated and organized, tried to do things as a leaderless group. Many got killed for it.
The problem with this image of revolution, rolling out the guillotines, is that they were eventually used on the worker.
Unless people are trained and educated, it would be a bloodbath here, and the result would likely be worse than we have now.
And that training and education would probably take decades, and it would be fought against by not just one's enemies, but their so-called friends, who are more likely to try to put out the fire in their Master's house than their own.
http://field-negro.blogspot.com/2012/05/its-21st-century-but-house-negro-is.html#.Um_zG3iP_W8
When he spoke those words he was pushing black nationalism, but after he returned from Europe he said he was wrong. He had discovered that white people were essentially on the same big plantation, and that it was the plantation masters (today the lords of finance) that were the evil.
And until more people than not can conceptualize that, and are prepared to re-enter life in 1976 again, getting rid of all the borrowed money the financiers have used to strip them of the means of production, we don't stand a chance of real, substantial change.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Otherwise why the NDAA? Why this ultra-militarization of our domestic police? Why does FEMA need those billions of rounds of live ammunition?
Of course the key word is "eventually".. 6 mo? 1 yr.? 3 yrs.?
Perhaps no one knows for sure. But what does seem certain it IS just a matter of time.
Wouldn't you agree?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)is just a containment and or killing of people who are hungry, desperate, or scared, and they react like a mob. That is quelled, and they go back to their huts. Then it repeats a few times.
And we become a place with islands of the rich surrounded by tar paper shacks, while the rest of the world moves on.
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)for several years now is something a friend from the eastern bloc of communist European countries mentioned years ago... "It seems they want everyone to have a gun so that a war on civilians can take place in this country." The point being, it helps generate more arms manufacturing by keeping the public edgy about each other and the militarized police requesting more and more weaponry to keep up this kind of crap. It's the NSA, NRA and our Congress/state legislators for hire that all need to change and soon or we will be just another continent sized war zone that profits only the mic/fascist factions.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Our militarized police conversion is starting to bear fruit.
And it is disgusting fruit indeed.
Logical
(22,457 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)scarier still. grandpa passed away in 1996. and he had guns. fortunately they were able to take him to a nursing home. and he also had worked at Lockheed Martin. We still have some notebooks around. Cops have something against workers at Lockheed Martin?? (grandma was killed by a drunk in a car accident in 1978 I think although she knew mom was pregnant with my brother... again I think... thats what they tell me
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)littlewolf
(3,813 posts)legally responsable, meaning they kick in the wrong door
and kill someone, no more oopsy sorry about that, and let
the insurance company settle. no cops get sued and sent to
jail.
in this case, you would have to have video and audio
inside your house to protect yourselves FROM THE COPS.
so very sad, RIP America.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)The same thing needs to happen to the cops as would happen to you or me if we did that to the cops.
Equal protection under the law...RIGHT FUCKING NOW!
gollygee
(22,336 posts)because his son had one marijuana plant? When they weren't even looking for marijuana?
Sick.
(By the way, you might want to edit your post to take out the / before the url)
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)We loves our gun rights and we loves our war on drugs. As a result, these kind of fatal drug raids happen a couple of dozen times a year. I reckon that while some drug suspects are ready to shoot it out with the cops, a substantial number of these fatalities are gun-owning Americans who pick up their weapon when armed intruders kick down their doors in the middle of the night.
Here's a list of this year's drug war killings (this guy is on it, page 2):
http://stopthedrugwar.org/taxonomy/term/252
tblue
(16,350 posts)They had a search warrant, but does that mean they are supposed to barge in without even ringing the doorbell? Is that how it goes?
Who wouldn't grab a gun (if they had one) when strangers enter their bedroom in the middle of the night? If that's even what really happened.
If the poor man had had a moment to get his glasses and come to the door, the cops could have told him what the hell they were there for and then conducted their fruitless search. The guy would be terrified, but he'd still be alive.
Ugh. This was all so unnecessary and it could happen to anybody. Good job, LA's Finest.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)It's becoming a war on our citizens, and we are having more and more casualties.
I also think that we need to get the names and addresses of these cops and send people to THEIR HOMES and follow them around their communities, calling them what they are: "MURDERERS." Dog their trails, run people in shifts, following them, their wives, etc., never let them forget that they killed an innocent human being.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)All police raids should have helmet cameras on everyone who enters.
lpbk2713
(42,759 posts)What they won't say is the insiders will know what the final results of the
investigation will be before any semblance of an investigation has begun.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)Never mind.
littlewolf
(3,813 posts)and police could go back to solving crimes you know
murder, rape, armed robberies, burgleries ...
but of course then the police would not need all that cool
equipment like armored personnel carriers
and they could no long take personnel property because
it could have been bought with drug money.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Cops don't solve crimes, they make a plausible story to fit circumstances (sometimes it's the actual perpetrator)
Also, even if cops were in the 'solving crimes' business, there's no profit in solving murder, rape, armed robbery, or burglary cases for them.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)We hear about similar shit like this all time, but there are still people who think mindless aggressiveness of the police is great crime fighting technique. I'd like to see someone explain how this is acceptable.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Simply to kill someone?
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)Let's suit up and raid a house. Any excuse they can find. Surely some other method of investigation could be used in cases like this to find out their victims are really innocent, but that's just not as fun. Looks like another innocent victim and million dollar lawsuit against the LAPD. I hear about these a lot over there, where do they get all the money to constantly pay their victims. They must be the worst department in the country.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Clearly our police state has no value for human life, just theirs and their fellow officers. Funny, the only dangerous thing about pot is getting CAUGHT with it! Today that is a death sentence for ordinary people.
No one thinks they are going to die in a home invasion...but it appears to be a growing fad with LEOs. One more reason to NEVER trust a cop. All they want to do is find a way to put you in prison or 6 feet under.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Here's where the deaths of some victims of unjustified SWAT-team type raids can be found:
http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/friendswood/opinion/whitehead-transforming-america-s-schools-into-authoritarian-instruments-of-compliance/article_130d2e53-c666-5395-9c0a-869da62669cb.html
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I kid.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)"In statements made in the Los Angeles Coroners Report regarding case number 2013-04556, Sheriffs deputies involved in the shooting claimed that Mallory exited his bedroom and pointed a revolver at the law enforcement officers."
http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1532059
However,
http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1532059
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)Someone smelled chemicals. Well, my friends, the chemicals used to make meth are paint thinner, which is also used as parts cleaner, and swimming pool acid.
What they are telling us here is they killed this guy for cleaning the carburetor on his lawn mower.
Meth is bad. Getting killed for not making any is worse. And seriously, Breaking Bad aside, does anyone really think senior citizens cook meth?
NBachers
(17,122 posts)Like William S Burroughs said in his Thanksgiving Prayer: "Thanks for a nation of finks."
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)If the guy was...oh, say he was working on his car in the driveway, and cleaning parts there, and spilled some of the solvent on the concrete...you will smell that shit for a very long distance. Any passerby who smells the solvent might call the fire department..."hey, there's a really strong smell of flammable liquid in the area, could ya send a hazmat team out to look at it?"
But nowadays, EVERYTHING is drug related. Cleaning up some old guy's paint thinner spill in the driveway doesn't get your department more funding. Busting a meth lab, does.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)They're the best!
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)At least we can all sleep a little sounder in the knowledge that the world is safe from 80 year old men that live in smelly houses.
And just think of all the taxpayer money saved by just breaking in and executing this scourge of civilization.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)area around his house to smell like chemicals. He should have known better. Can't fault the police for doing their jobs.
Rex
(65,616 posts)They have no shame at all imo.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)The deputy shot himself in the leg.
http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/friendswood/opinion/whitehead-transforming-america-s-schools-into-authoritarian-instruments-of-compliance/article_130d2e53-c666-5395-9c0a-869da62669cb.html
Unfortunately, the Sheriff's Department kept him on the job until he was recently suspended pending an investigation of his shooting of a 13-year old kid.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Shit gets tiresome as an excuse for cops' brutality and thuggish nature.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)toxic dump site.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)At least some of our citizens are.
TBF
(32,068 posts)It appears that we need mass re-training at the local level. Kids, grandpas ... are they just going to start shooting us on the street now if they don't like how we look?
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)9-11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
onethatcares
(16,173 posts)the fourth amendment states the place and items to be searched for must be narrow in scope. Not just every place on a property looking for anything.
It's out of control folks, way past reining anything in at this point.
ellie
(6,929 posts)In fact, every time I see a cop I go the other way. I am a middle-aged white woman. The police scare the shit out of me.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Inquiring minds.
On that note: does meth get cut before sale? (The only drug I know much from experience is coke.)
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)CFLDem
(2,083 posts)But I think our war weary nation is starting to come to it senses...
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)CFLDem
(2,083 posts)the current prohibition enforcement strategy the results in the chaos listed on the OP.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Is the problem the police won't admit a mistake or that they try to shut down meth labs?
I have no problem with shutting down meth labs but a lot of what police does is wrong. I would never say shutting down a meth lab is worse than the problems produced by the lab or by the usage of meth.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)I'm absolutely ok with shutting down hard drug peddlers, but there has to be a way that's not so trigger happy or militarized our society any further.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Not a criminal justice one.
Methamphetamine is a Schedule II controlled substance, available in pure form (Desoxyn) by prescription. It should be made available for those who desire it, as should drug treatment for those who need it.
Drug use, absent harm to others, should not be a crime. We have plenty of laws to deal with others being harmed.
At the risk of sounding somewhat callous, I say treat drug use like alcohol. Keep the cops out of it, except to clean up the mess.
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)they probably went back to the station and laughed about it.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)They took the time, to decide to act and they acted and the result was death, to an elderly American citizen. If you or I committed such an act, we would be doing life in prison, if our judge and jury didn't recommend our execution. So here Whitmore tries to turn the victims into the bad guys, so he and his boys can get away with murder. Whitmore is at least, probably obstructing justice in this case himself. Probable Cause? "Never Heard of it!"
They seem to just, make up the probable causes, as they go along, more lately.
Eugene Mallory is probably dead today, because his nosy neighbor didn't like his looks, or maybe because of his yapping little pup Elvis, or maybe the neighbor was annoyed by the young man's loud car and 200watt base speakers and she called the boys in blue, on the poor gent and his family. And told the authorities that the family next door, made a living growing "Drugs". Do you think that eighty year old Eugene Mallory, even knew what the kid's little bit of weed was?
Old folks do still value their lives, you know. Even if the people running our cities don't value them anymore.
I even made myself sad, thinking how little Eugene Mallory meant to the likes of Mr. Whitmore Do-Right. The old man really was standing his ground and he died for it. Maybe he was a decorated war veteran, or a discombobulated old retired gentleman of 80, who'd never been raided by the very people he'd paid to protect him. The shooters didn't care, "they were doing their job!"
Meanwhile, Eugene Mallory will go down,(If we let him.) as just the latest piece of American Collateral Damage, in this lifelong, costly, war on weed.
littlewolf
(3,813 posts)Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)Qualified Immunity And The Police State
I get many calls each week from people who believe they have been abused by the police. That is because for many years I was at the forefront of police misconduct litigation. But these days I rarely file a complaint against police officers. It is not that I have become a police groupie. Rather, I've read the handwriting on the wall. In the past decade, there has been a silent coup d' etat. Our courts have transformed themselves into the guardians of a police state in a stunning, and largely unnoticed, act of judicial activism. Their primary tool was a tricky legal doctrine known as qualified immunity.
This coup has gone unnoticed by the general public. Even academics seem blind to its import. Practitioners know better. Read More
http://www.pattisblog.com/index.php?article=Qualified_Immunity_And_The_Police_State_2675
A dangerous state of affairs, innocent people are dying over it.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Sheesh.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Yay!
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)I hope it keeps them up at night.
ourfuneral
(150 posts)NBachers
(17,122 posts)Grandpa's dead - the cops murdered him.
Pinochet Inc.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, littlewolf.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I DO NOT RECOGNIZE MY COUNTRY ANYMORE.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)LITTLEROCK, Calif. (KABC) -- The widow of an elderly man shot to death by Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies in the Antelope Valley is filing a lawsuit.
Tonya Pate, 48, is seeking $50 million in damages from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department after detectives raided her Littlerock home during the morning of June 27 and fatally shot her 80-year-old husband, Eugene Mallory.
"I am here today to tell you how much I love and miss Gene every day. He was a hardworking, gentle, loving, kind man. He never harmed anybody," said Pate.
Her lawyers filed a wrongful death claim alleging that narcotic detectives suspected methamphetamine was being cooked on the property, and, armed with a search warrant, busted into the retired Lockheed engineer's home unannounced and shot him dead in his bed. No meth was found.
(more at link)
littlewolf
(3,813 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)(why should the apologize to wonton drug runners?)
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)make my vision blur. These gentlemen turn badges into targets, and should be ashamed, I hope they all find their ends by the means they lived with.
Oakenshield
(614 posts)Different story, same tragic outcome. There needs to be a national review of our law enforcement, which must include psychiatric evaluation.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)Remember, it's not of them. One brought milk to some person after Sandy.
riversedge
(70,243 posts)sleeping in his bed.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)This has risen above the sick level. Christ.
riversedge
(70,243 posts)I hope they hit the pocketbooks-city budgets HARD.
Widow to Sue Over Fatal Shooting of Husband, 80, by Sheriffs Deputies | KTLA 5 http://ktla.com/2013/10/10/widow-to-sue-over-fatal-shooting-of-husband-80-by-sheriffs-deputies/#axzz2hhs0vpGC
closeupready
(29,503 posts)From the bad guys.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)Ew, there sure is a bad smell here.
JPZenger
(6,819 posts)A few years ago, a woman in PA complained about an ammonia smell, which she said was coming from next door. Police automatically assumed it must be a meth house and burst into the house with a Swat team. Nothing there. It turned out the woman who made the complaint was a cat hoarder.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Religious belief systems train people to rationalize belief over reason. These asshats believe their own lies and rationalizations and have no capacity for critical reasoning about what they do. The envision "the enemy" and feel good about killing them.