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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 07:41 AM Oct 2013

Huge Food Stamp Cut Goes Into Effect Friday

Food stamp recipients face a massive benefit cut set to kick in when stimulus funds expire Friday. The nationwide cut “is equivalent to about 16 meals a month for a family of three,” according to a Center on Budget and Policy Priorities analysis using the USDA’s “Thrifty Food Plan.” CBPP called the roughly $5 billion annual cut to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program “unprecedented” in “depth and breadth.”

“If you look across the world, riots always begin typically the same way: when people cannot afford to eat food,” Margarette Purvis, the president and CEO of the Food Bank for New York City, told Salon Monday. Purvis said that the looming cut would mean about 76 million meals “that will no longer be on the plates of the poorest families” in NYC alone – a figure that outstrips the total number of meals distributed each year by the Food Bank for New York City, the largest food bank in the country. “There will be an immediate impact,” she said.

“The fact that they’re going to lose what’s basically an entire week’s worth food” each month, said Purvis, “it’s pretty daunting.” She told Salon that while policymakers “are attempting to punish people for being poor,” and “people are comforted by believing that they know that a person has to have done something wrong in order to be poor,” in reality, “I can tell you that more and more folks have more than one job and are still needing help.” (As I reported last week, audio recorded by a McDonald’s worker-activist showed a counselor on an employee hotline encouraging her to sign up for food stamps because it “takes a lot of the pressure off how much money you spend on groceries.”) Purvis added that cutting food stamps was “not even good business sense,” because each dollar of food stamps infuses over $1.70 of spending into the economy.

“We were all told that these cuts for November 1 would not happen,” said Purvis. When “they decided they were going to take from some of the increases to food stamps” to fund First Lady Michelle Obama’s “Let’s Move” program, she told Salon, “We were told, you know, by the president…these cuts will not happen, we won’t get rid of the program. Well guess what? November 1 is around the corner, and no one has restored that money.”

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http://www.salon.com/2013/10/28/riots_always_begin_typically_the_same_way_food_stamp_shutdown_looms_friday/

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Huge Food Stamp Cut Goes Into Effect Friday (Original Post) cali Oct 2013 OP
French Revolution, "Little Father, give us bread", history is full of this. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #1
Meanwhile the rich get richer newfie11 Oct 2013 #2
Let's not leave any easy targets clffrdjk Oct 2013 #3
It should have been more clearly stated - TBF Oct 2013 #5
No sorry clffrdjk Oct 2013 #9
I'm unclear on the speaker's definition of "meal" - for one person, or for one family? Bibliovore Oct 2013 #17
The 16 meal reference definitely referred to the 3 person family. clffrdjk Oct 2013 #20
be the math what it may. Chaco Dundee Oct 2013 #32
No shit clffrdjk Oct 2013 #33
agreed. Chaco Dundee Oct 2013 #36
But wait, there's good news! New studies show fasting twice a week is GOOD for you! BuelahWitch Oct 2013 #4
I know you are kidding but fasttense Oct 2013 #6
Yes, I was kidding BuelahWitch Oct 2013 #7
I used to fast every Sunday demwing Oct 2013 #24
Yeah, amazing how they scraped that up right before the shit hit the fan. n/t winter is coming Oct 2013 #10
It's like they have to see people dying in the street before they believe they are hungry hollysmom Oct 2013 #8
Don't think it's and issue of belief demwing Oct 2013 #25
K & R historylovr Oct 2013 #11
The $$ increases were taken to fund Michelle O's " Let's Move " program? AzDar Oct 2013 #12
I can see one helluva PR problem shaping up for the White House if this part is true-- Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #13
maybe, but how much does it cost to fund the "Let's Move" program cali Oct 2013 #14
Well, of course, but that won't stop the RW from making hay of it. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #15
The article is a hit job. Laelth Oct 2013 #16
Employers should be forced to pay a living wage! B Calm Oct 2013 #18
GOPPERS got their way again heaven05 Oct 2013 #19
Love the 3rd Reich reference! AAO Oct 2013 #28
Cut down their food intake so they can't think straight. jsr Oct 2013 #21
The money was there to attack Syria solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #22
Exactly. jsr Oct 2013 #23
Want to eat? demwing Oct 2013 #26
And a Happy Thanksgiving to you too.... AnneD Oct 2013 #27
Loss of Stimulus? One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #29
The stimulus included a (I think temporary) expansion of SNAP clffrdjk Oct 2013 #34
And Boehner's House madamesilverspurs Oct 2013 #30
These rich, lazy, fat, MFers love austerity for the poor folks. They better think JEB Oct 2013 #31
welcome to america the land of inequality. madrchsod Oct 2013 #35
A "Starve the Poor" Republican move designed to punish those perceived to oppose them. Coyotl Oct 2013 #37
the economy really hasn't gotten much better noiretextatique Oct 2013 #38
Can't there be some emergency legislation to counter this? nt kelliekat44 Oct 2013 #39
" ... equivalent to about 16 meals a month for a family of three .... ' etherealtruth Oct 2013 #40

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
1. French Revolution, "Little Father, give us bread", history is full of this.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 07:45 AM
Oct 2013

Ancient Egyptian dynasties fell during crop failures.

 

clffrdjk

(905 posts)
3. Let's not leave any easy targets
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 07:55 AM
Oct 2013

This is a huge issue but we need to get our numbers straight. A weeks worth of food for a family of three is 63 meals. The article can not be right in both places claiming a loss of 16 meals and a loss of a weeks worth of food.

TBF

(32,067 posts)
5. It should have been more clearly stated -
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 08:02 AM
Oct 2013

but what they are saying is that if you lose 16 meals over the course of the month then you are losing a week's worth of food ($16/week x4 weeks = $64). See? But you are correct that they have to speak more clearly so they don't confuse the heck out of folks.

Cheers.

 

clffrdjk

(905 posts)
9. No sorry
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 08:10 AM
Oct 2013

"The nationwide cut “is equivalent to about 16 meals a month for a family of three,”
That is 25% of one week not 25% of a month.
3 people x 3 meals a day x 7 days = 63 meals per week. 16/63 =.25xxx
3 people x 3 meals a day x 30 days = 270 meals per month. 16/270 = .05xxx

Bibliovore

(185 posts)
17. I'm unclear on the speaker's definition of "meal" - for one person, or for one family?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 09:32 AM
Oct 2013

If it's for one person, your figures are correct. If it's for one family (unclear from the article), it's either 5.33 days at 3 meals a day or 7.67 days at 2 meals a day.

 

clffrdjk

(905 posts)
20. The 16 meal reference definitely referred to the 3 person family.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 09:45 AM
Oct 2013

And that is why I used 3 people when showing my work. To assume that a single person would lose the same number of meals as a family of three is just plain wrong. As for the meal schedule I do not know if it is a 2 or 3 meal day but I think 3 is the better assumption. I am not digging any information up I am just using the numbers cited in the article. It contradicts itself and if we use it to try and prove our points we are opening ourselves up to issues.

Eta sorry your thinking family style meals and not counting a dinner for 3 as 3 meals I do not know how they computed the value of the meal. Anybody have the actual dollar amount change for a family of 3?

 

clffrdjk

(905 posts)
33. No shit
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:53 AM
Oct 2013

So we should use the strongest possible arguments and not articles that contradict themselves.

Chaco Dundee

(334 posts)
36. agreed.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 11:10 AM
Oct 2013

We should use the strongest argument and do our math bevore we print it.I just like the emphasys to be on children and needy people who have no way to provide food for themselfs,let allone healthy balanced meals.if you are starving,you only count to one.where does the next meal come from.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
7. Yes, I was kidding
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 08:07 AM
Oct 2013

As I posted in that thread, I find it ironic that news of these "studies" is coming out the same week that the food stamps are being cut. Many elderly people are on food stamps too.
Personally I don't think fasting twice a week is good for anyone. Maybe a guru living on a mountaintop who meditates all day can fast twice a week, I don't know too many of them.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
24. I used to fast every Sunday
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:04 AM
Oct 2013

lasted about a year, and all it made me was hungry. I lost no weight, because on Monday I would always compensate!

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
8. It's like they have to see people dying in the street before they believe they are hungry
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 08:10 AM
Oct 2013

Maybe the petty theft will allow them to enrich some more prisons for money people, when they try and steal food, while the bankers who took their homes falsely are still free.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
12. The $$ increases were taken to fund Michelle O's " Let's Move " program?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 08:37 AM
Oct 2013

Doesn't seem like a good idea...

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
13. I can see one helluva PR problem shaping up for the White House if this part is true--
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 09:05 AM
Oct 2013

“We were all told that these cuts for November 1 would not happen,” said Purvis. When “they decided they were going to take from some of the increases to food stamps” to fund First Lady Michelle Obama’s “Let’s Move” program, she told Salon, “We were told, you know, by the president…these cuts will not happen, we won’t get rid of the program. Well guess what? November 1 is around the corner, and no one has restored that money.”

But I'm sure the strong random pretzel staircase will be along shortly to tell us it hasn't happened yet and we need to do something about our flammable hair.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. maybe, but how much does it cost to fund the "Let's Move" program
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 09:14 AM
Oct 2013

and how much of that is coming from funds that have gone to food stamps. I think it's safe to conclude that it's a very small fraction. Now that doesn't completely erase a potential pr problem but I imagine it reduces it.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
15. Well, of course, but that won't stop the RW from making hay of it.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 09:23 AM
Oct 2013

One of the major features of Teabagger mentality is a lack of a sense of proportion. You know--like all that "furrin aid" we keep giving away, and the Welfare Cadillacs and all that.

Actually, the whole article sounds like something of a hit job, but that doesn't lessen its propaganda value. Michele's program was the one source specifically cited as the cause of the problem. In fact, the article itself has problems in that it makes 16 missing meals (bad enough by itself) sound like 48 missing meals by the inclusion of that line about "a family of 3."

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
16. The article is a hit job.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 09:30 AM
Oct 2013

That said, it's still a bad idea to cut SNAP, and I hope the Republicans can be made to pay for it at the ballot box.

-Laelth

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
19. GOPPERS got their way again
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 09:40 AM
Oct 2013

Oh sorry, not GOP, Ryan and the TEANAZIS got their way again!!!! Starve em out, right Ryan? You Nazi POS!!!!!

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
22. The money was there to attack Syria
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 09:49 AM
Oct 2013

spending >$2000 per SECOND adds up. What's a few less meals if it means a few more drone attacks on grandmothers picking okra.

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
30. And Boehner's House
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:39 AM
Oct 2013

is considering taking even more time off because, ostensibly, they can't find anything to do...

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
31. These rich, lazy, fat, MFers love austerity for the poor folks. They better think
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:45 AM
Oct 2013

about what lengths hungry people will go to to feed themselves and their families.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
35. welcome to america the land of inequality.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 11:02 AM
Oct 2013

increase in retail theft,increase of violence,and an increase of broken relationships.

the glue that holds families together is slowly dissolving.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
37. A "Starve the Poor" Republican move designed to punish those perceived to oppose them.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 11:29 AM
Oct 2013

And it is working. Now more people oppose them than before!

The backlash cometh!

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
38. the economy really hasn't gotten much better
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:59 PM
Oct 2013

more people are getting work, but in many cases, it is a work that pays less than what they were making before. and i know in my own situation, i've lost so much in the past 4 years...it's had to imagine how i will ever catch up again. and there are still a lot of people who cannot find work. and federal UI extensions have dried up.
given the economics realities for so many people: this is simply unconscionable. it really makes you wonder WHO our elected officials are working for. well...we already know that, but they really don't give a shit.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
40. " ... equivalent to about 16 meals a month for a family of three .... '
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:15 PM
Oct 2013

How could anyone think this is OK?

I certainly hope the usual group of those that attempt to vilify the poor do not come by this thread (you know who you are ... you're the one that watches what folk receiving aid buy, you're the one that knows someone that knows someone that does X, you the one that believes in 'welfare queens&quot

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