DU Mentioned on 'De Hoax Wijzer' (Dutch site??) as a 'conspiracy theory' site

[SeattleVet]

https://sites.google.com/site/dehoaxwijzer/english-articles

They have a 'Black List: websites to avoid', where they list WND, Above Top Secret, Global Truth, Rense, Mercola, etc.

And then there's DU:

Democratic Underground (www.democraticunderground.com) - focusses on conspiracy theories such as Illuminati, New World Order, chemtrails (which you kill with vinegar?), Codex Alimentarius, aliens, Sandy Hook shooting denial, and other paranoid fantasies.

Not sure how they may have lost context in translation!

I noticed that they have no entry for FR.

[TDale313]

1. Wow, bizarre.

[LeftyMom]

2. Sadly stuff like that gets posted in "creative speculation," formerly the 9/11 dungeon.

There was a rather embarrassing incident where some idiot blamed the Boxing Day tsunami on GWB having a weather control machine, and then was quoted major papers, which is probably how DU got on the screening company's radar.

[joshcryer]

3. It sounds like they Google Translated the TOS.

And just assumed the site was about those things as opposed to outright banning them.

[greyl]

15. Sounds the same to me, too. nt

[Journeyman]

4. Well, this is the website that championed the idea the Christmas Tsunami was caused by BushCo . . .

Got so bad, the Administrators had to ban all such blather.

And that's hardly the only conspiracy theory that's had credence here, just one of the wackiest.

Everything weighted evenly over the years, I'd have to say calling this a "conspiracy theory site" is a bit of a stretch, if not highly inaccurate. But it's not like this place hasn't given some memorable reasons to warrant being looked at askance.

[Recursion]

16. Don't forget Wellstone

I'd say a large portion of the board believes his plane was blown up.

[sabrina 1]

5. Never heard of it. Is THAT a 'hoax' site itself, some kind of Right Wing

site?

Any site that doesn't list the Freepers as a CT site and lists DU as such, is extremely suspect.

I'll check it out. Frankly who cares what some unknown, never-before-heard-of, what seems to be a Right Wing site has to say??

[SeattleVet]

9. Doesn't seem to be. I found it by accident while searching out something else

and the page with the 'blacklist' also called out the other site (correctly, it seems - the one I was trying to find out about is a quack type of site, with all sorts of 'miracle' cancer cures and a lot of other things that a cousin of mine is always quoting). The site seems to be more of a place that warns people of hoaxes, quack medicine, and other things that are floating around on the net.

But yeah, if they only looked at a select few fora here I can see how they could come up with the wrong impression.

[sabrina 1]

20. I did a little research and it is run by ONE GUY who identifies himself only

by his first name. Doesn't think who he is, is important.

Says He started it last Dec. Any DUer could do the same thing and I would give more credibility to someone who at least has some background than a lonely guy somewhere in Europe who doesn't give any information on what gives him the creds to be taken seriously . Certainly his inclusion of DU seems to indicate either an agenda, which I suspect, a banned DUer perhaps, or a total lack of skills to properly research the subject his blog is about.

I'm going with a former, angry DUer which is about as credible a conclusion as any he has come to.


Most of his listings appear to be 'left leaning'. He throws in one right leaning site to appear 'balanced' imo. Too bad he got any attention at all from this site, which may have been the goal.

From my pov, the blog itself is a bit of a CT site with about as much credibility.

I'd stick to more credible sites if I wanted to know who else was credible.

He says he is STILL a 'one man operation' and I have a feeling that it will stay way considering how he comes to his conclusions.


Not worth the time wasted on it already.

[cui bono]

6. I know why...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3909114

[Adsos Letter]

7. Huh. That all sounds like Above Top Secret's schtick.

Which is the site that actually led me here seven years ago. I didn't know it was still around.

[Warpy]

8. Probably a right wing Dutch site

I'm sure people will tell thee and me whether or not that's true later on as their day gets going over there.

Maybe one of them will contact that site and tell them to find someone who knows how to read English.

[SeattleVet]

12. Using the new version of Safari, and it seems to do a pretty good job of translating from the Dutch.

The site doesn't seem to have a political bent; they appear to be pretty much what they claim to be in their home page (see below). It's pretty much a one-man operation, and he says that while Snopes and Hoax-Slayer are very good, the main problem is that they are only in English.

From wandering around the site they seem to be operating along the same lines as Snopes or Hoax Slayer - reasoned articles debunking hoaxes, urban legends, and conspiracy theories.

I don't know what kind of traffic they get; their forums aren't super-active, but there is a decent amount of content on the site

From their page (translated to English):

Why the Hoax-Pointer?

It is important to educate yourself well before you accept information for truth, and this spread. For that reason, there are also plenty of websites on the Internet that attempt to refute false information and to inform people as accurately as possible. Some well-known - and reliable - websites are www.snopes.com and www.hoax-slayer.com , although there are many other "hoax busters" and "myth busters".

Why the Hoax-Pointer, in addition to many other websites? Most of these websites are exclusively in English, which of course in itself is a good thing since it most of the world can be achieved. Nevertheless, there are still people whose knowledge of the English language is not as strong, and it is unfortunate that warnings you ignore them. Moreover, not all hoaxes English only: there are also many cases in English, that escape because of the language difference on the radar of Snopes.com and Hoax-Slayer.com. The Hoax-Pointer we also try to intercept it, although we will of course send out warnings of foreign language hoaxes.

------------------

Here is a list of English language sites they show as 'Useful links:

ENGLISH LANGUAGE WEBSITES :

Snopes (Urban Legends Reference Pages): http://www.snopes.com/
Hoax-Slayer: http://www.hoax-slayer.com/
Hoax-Slayer on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hoax-Slayer/69502133435
Waffles At Noon: http://wafflesatnoon.com
About Urban Legends: http://urbanlegends.about.com
Hoax or Fact: http://www.hoaxorfact.com/
Hoax Killer: http://www.facebook.com/hoaxkiller
That's Nonsense: http://www.thatsnonsense.com
Truth or Fiction: http://www.truthorfiction.com/
Stop Sick Children Hoaxes: http://www.facebook.com/StopSickChildrenHoaxes
Electronic Ephemera (The Hoax FAQ): http://cluestick.info/hoax/
Naked Security from Sophos: http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/
Naked Security from Sophos (Facebook page): http://www.facebook.com/SophosSecurity
Facecrooks: http://facecrooks.com/
Facecrooks (Facebook page): http://www.facebook.com/Facecrooks
Wrong myths about hemp (hemp) debunked: http://hemphoax.org/

Overall, I think it's probably a legitimate site, and they just got some wrong info about DU.

[petronius]

10. What do you expect from a website that thinks chemtrails can be eradicated

with vinegar? Vinegar!? What a bunch of doomed morans...






:

[Recursion]

14. Exactly. Everybody knows it takes tomato juice and charcoal (nt)

[SeattleVet]

17. No - they're claiming that DU is saying that 'chemtrails' can be killed with vinegar.

There was that message thread a while back with the video of the woman spraying vinegar all over the place (and her completely dead lawn...).

[petronius]

19. Thanks, I guess I missed that one. I've been on a photosynthetic diet

for the last month (it's something I learned from Bigfoot at the last alien-bigfoot-indigo meet 'n' greet) and my attention has lagged a little...

[Archae]

11. Bring up the JFK assassination loonies, and watch what happens.

[Recursion]

13. Well, years ago, I first found DU because I was collecting 9/11 conspiracy theories

and DU came up very high in those results, repeatedly, thanks to the old 9/11 board (now "Creative Speculation&quot .

[geek tragedy]

18. Google Hastings+assassinated or DHS+crackdown+OWS

and the crazyometer goes to 11.

[bemildred]

21. I think they are conspiring against us. nt

[NuclearDem]

22. Well, what do you expect from members of the Windmilluminati.

[muriel_volestrangler]

23. Since a thread claiming the govt weaponized Lyme disease is now climbing the Greatest page

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024043661

and I cannot persuade the GD hosts that it belongs in Creative Speculation, I think the Dutch site may have a point.