The Bush family's company Carlyle Group runs the NSA

[elehhhhna]

Does this help explain some of the problems we're hearing about?

Is it wise to outsource intel and spying to a frikking POLITICAL FAMILY?

We are paying EXTRA for this shit so they can profit, and they sell intel to foreign governments and companies everywhere. HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE???

[grasswire]

1. yeah, maybe this explains Rove's "war room" in elections

General Alexander just taps in to certain computers....

[notadmblnd]

2. A long line of traitors, the Bush family comes from.

[leveymg]

3. Can you give us some details on that?

Which companies are you referring to, and why do you think they run the NSA any more than all the other contractors?

Thnx.

[2naSalit]

4. And why

the new facility is in slc, the mo's won't challenge anything that smacks of population control through nefarious means..?

It all needs to come crashing down yesterday.

But it would be nice to have an info source for your claim. But the prospect of this being a possible fact doesn't surprise me one bit.

[OnyxCollie]

5. The NSA and man-in-the-middle attacks

are the way to steal elections.

The NSA operates under the purview of the Defense Dept. Former Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, now Sec. of Defense, was one of the four authors of HAVA, and has financial and business ties to ES&S.

See a pattern?

[okaawhatever]

12. Chuck Hagel is persona non grata in the Republican party these days. His confirmation hearings

should have proven that. He was only of the earliest to question the intel that led us into Iraq and didn't approve of the surge.In July 2007, From Wiki:
Hagel was one of three Republican Senators who supported Democratic-proposed legislation requiring a troop withdrawal from Iraq to begin within 120 days.
On August 18, 2005, Hagel compared the Iraq War to Vietnam, and openly mocked Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that the Iraqi insurgency was in its "last throes."[69] In November 2005, Hagel defended his criticism of the Iraq war, stating "To question your government is not unpatriotic — to not question your government is unpatriotic."[70] In December 2005, in reference to Bush, the Republican Party, and the PATRIOT Act, Hagel stated "I took an oath of office to the Constitution, I didn't take an oath of office to my party or my president.
In July 2006, Hagel criticized the Bush administration on its handling of the 2006 Lebanon War, saying "The sickening slaughter on both sides must end and it must end now. President Bush must call for an immediate cease-fire. This madness must stop." He also said "Our relationship with Israel is special and historic... But it need not and cannot be at the expense of our Arab and Muslim relationships. That is an irresponsible and dangerous false choice.
Following heavy Republican losses in the 2006 midterm election, Hagel penned an editorial in The Washington Post highly critical of military strategies both employed and proposed for Iraq. He wrote that "There will be no victory or defeat for the United States in Iraq," and called for a "phased troop withdrawal."[74] According to a SurveyUSA poll, in August 2006 Hagel had a 10% higher approval rating among Nebraska Democrats than Republicans.
In November 2007, he rated the Bush administration "the lowest in capacity, in capability, in policy, in consensus—almost every area" of any presidency in the last forty years
Hagel was rumored to be a possible running mate for Vice President for then Senator Barack Obama, in his 2008 presidential campaign On June 20, 2008, Hagel said he would consider running with Obama if offered the VP spot, though he added that he didn't believe that Obama would pick him for the position.

He also only endorsed Democrats in the last couple of years. Hagel is the anti-establishment. I think comparing Chuck Hagel to anyone affiliated with Bush is unfair. Hagel was one of his biggest critics, and as such the Republicans have turned on him.

[OnyxCollie]

13. That has fuck-all to do with elections.

Diebold's Political Machine
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/03/diebolds-political-machine

In 1992, investment banker Chuck Hagel, president of McCarthy & Co, became chairman of AIS. Hagel, who had been touted as a possible Senate candidate in 1993, was again on the list of likely GOP contenders heading into the 1996 contest. In January of 1995, while still chairman of ES&S, Hagel told the Omaha World-Herald that he would likely make a decision by mid-March of 1995. On March 15, according to a letter provided by Hagel's Senate staff, he resigned from the AIS board, noting that he intended to announce his candidacy. A few days later, he did just that.

A little less than eight months after steppind down as director of AIS, Hagel surprised national pundits and defied early polls by defeating Benjamin Nelson, the state's popular former governor. It was Hagel's first try for public office. Nebraska elections officials told The Hill that machines made by AIS probably tallied 85 percent of the votes cast in the 1996 vote, although Nelson never drew attention to the connection. Hagel won again in 2002, by a far healthier margin. That vote is still angrily disputed by Hagel's Democratic opponent, Charlie Matulka, who did try to make Hagel's ties to ES&S an issue in the race and who asked that state elections officials conduct a hand recount of the vote. That request was rebuffed, because Hagel's margin of victory was so large.

As might be expected, Hagel has been generously supported by his investment partners at McCarthy & Co. -- since he first ran, Hagel has received about $15,000 in campaign contributions from McCarthy & Co. executives. And Hagel still owns more than $1 million in stock in McCarthy & Co., which still owns a quarter of ES&S.

[malaise]

6. And that is the real problem

You cannot privatize national security to the neo-con goons.
Now I understand all those GHW Bush trips to the WH.
Time for Obama to make serious changes.

[Enthusiast]

15. One would think that is obvious.

Guess not. Treasonous bastards.

[Th1onein]

7. OMG, this explains a lot. How do you know this, Elehhhhna?

Geez, this is the last thing we need. I absolutely loathe this family.

[OnyxCollie]

8. The Carlyle Group Has Made $2 Billion Off Of Booz Allen

The Carlyle Group Has Made $2 Billion Off Of Booz Allen
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2013/06/10/the-carlyle-group-has-made-2-billion-off-of-booz-allen/

In 2008, the Carlyle Group made a large $910 million investment to buy a majority stake in Booz Allen’s government consulting business. The deal saw Booz Allen’s big government advisory unit, which produced most of the firm’s revenue, split off from its corporate consulting group, on the eve of the financial crisis.

But Washington-based Carlyle, which has a long and successful history doing deals involving government contractors, has really made the Booz Allen deal work. It has been an amazing transaction for Carlyle. The private equity firm has made $2 billion in realized and unrealized profits on the Booz Allen Hamilton deal so far. Its $910 million investment is now worth $3 billion.

[Th1onein]

9. Booz-Allen--Aren't they the ones who Snowden worked for, and who he blew the whistle on?

[OnyxCollie]

10. Yep.

And Poppy Bush thanks all those who choose to attack the character of Greenwald and Snowden, instead of their cash cow.

[UTUSN]

11. "The Bush family's company Carlyle" - a quibble.

I don't doubt the nefariousness of the Carlyle Group or that they put on the payroll scores of RAYGUN-BUSH flying monkeys who were rotating out of the public sector, but whenever the CG is mentioned I remind that co-founder RUBENSTEIN was one of the vipers (along with Tweety and Pat CADDELL) who infested the nest of Jimmy CARTER. Also, RUBENSTEIN fired Shrub off the board and had performed philanthropies like buying a copy of the Magna Carta.

I don't know all the nefariousness involved and don't do p.r. for the CG, just try for some ducks in a row.


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http://prorev.com/bushcarlyle.htm (How David RUBENSTEIN fired George W. BUSH: )

(RUBENSTEIN: ) But when we were putting the board together, somebody (Fred Malek) came to me and said, look there is a guy who would like to be on the board. He's kind of down on his luck a bit. Needs a job. Needs a board position. Needs some board positions. Could you put him on the board? Pay him a salary and he'll be a good board member and be a loyal vote for the management and so forth.

I said well we're not usually in that business. But okay, let me meet the guy. I met the guy. I said I don't think he adds that much value. We'll put him on the board because - you know - we'll do a favor for this guy; he's done a favor for us.

We put him on the board and [he] spent three years. Came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I kind of said to him, after about three years - you know, I'm not sure this is really for you. Maybe you should do something else. Because I don't think you're adding that much value to the board. You don't know that much about the company.

He said, well I think I'm getting out of this business anyway. And I don't really like it that much. So I'm probably going to resign from the board.

And I said, thanks - didn't think I'd ever see him again. His name is George W. Bush.



(from Wiki, the 3 co-founders: )

[font size=5]David Mark Rubenstein[/font] (born August 11, 1949) is an American financier and philanthropist best known as co-founder of The Carlyle Group, a global private equity investment firm. According to the 2013 Forbes ranking of the wealthiest Americans, Rubenstein has net worth of $3.0 billion since the sub-prime crisis recovery. He earned his law degree from the University of Chicago Law School in 1973, where he was an editor of the University of Chicago Law Review. From 1973 to 1975, Rubenstein practiced law in New York with Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison. Prior to starting Carlyle in 1987, with William E. Conway, Jr. and Daniel A. D'Aniello, Rubenstein was a domestic policy advisor to President Jimmy Carter and worked in private practice in Washington, D.C. "I think it's important to tell people the good and the bad of American history, not only the things that we might like to hear."[22]—Speaking about wanting to put a face on slavery with his donation to rebuild slave quarters at Monticello.

[font size=5]William Conway[/font] received his undergraduate degree from Dartmouth College and an MBA from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business.[1][2][3] He started his career by serving in a variety of positions in corporate finance, commercial lending, workout loans and general management for almost ten years with First National Bank of Chicago.[1][2] From 1981 to 1986, Conway had worked in various financial positions at MCI Communications being named senior vice president and chief financial officer in 1984.[1][2] In 1987, he co-founded Carlyle with David Rubenstein and Daniel D'Aniello.[1][2][3][4] He has served as the chairman of the boards of Nextel Communications and United Defense Industries.[4] He has made charitable donations to the Catholic Church.[1] As of September 2011, he is the 540th richest person in the world, and the 139th richest in the United States.[3] He is worth US$ 2.7 billion.[3] He is married with one child, and he lives in McLean, Virginia.[3]

[font size=5]Daniel A. D’Aniello[/font] is an American businessman.[1][2][3][4] He is the cofounder and chairman of the Carlyle Group, a private equity firm headquartered in Washington, D.C..
He served as a financial officer at Pepsico and TWA.[1][2][3][4] He later served as Vice President for Finance and Development at the Marriott Corporation.[1][2][3][4] He was responsible for the valuation of major mergers, acquisitions, divestitures, debt and equity offerings, and project financings.[3] In 1987, he co-founded the Carlyle Group with William E. Conway, Jr., and David Rubenstein.[1][2][3][4] He now serves as Chairman of the Board.[3] He serves on the Board of Trustees of the American Enterprise Institute.[1][5] He also serves on the Board of Trustees of his alma mater, Syracuse University, and on the Corporate Advisory Council of its Martin J. Whitman School of Management.

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[elehhhhna]

16. It's Poppy's deal, not Pretzel's. Look it up.

Also look up Bin Laden family divests Carlyle Group holdings after 9/11

[wildbilln864]

14. k&r! n/t