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blackspade

(10,056 posts)
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:01 PM Oct 2013

This is not good. Fukushima a disaster in slow motion....

Last edited Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:28 AM - Edit history (1)

I fail to understand why there is not more information about what is going on at Fukushima right now.

http://ukiahcommunityblog.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/fukushima-28-signs-that-the-west-coast-is-being-absolutely-fried-with-nuclear-radiation/#comments

Above is the original link to an article posted by Michael Snyder who, unfortunately appears to be some wingnut.
However, there are several links that are well sourced that I will link directly here:



http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/03/radioactive-debris-washing-up-on-pacific-coast.html

http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/50176

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/05/22/national/researchers-find-high-cesium-in-some-pacific-plankton/#.Um28blOksoN

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/05/absolutely-every-one-of-the-15-bluefin-tuna-tested-in-california-waters-contaminated-with-fukushima-radiation.html

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/343-203/9463-canada-fish-eaters-threatened-by-fukushima-radiation

http://canadaam.ctvnews.ca/report-raises-fresh-concerns-about-radiation-levels-in-japanese-fish-1.1486514

http://www.nationaljournal.com/global-security-newswire/nuclear-power-industry-lawmakers-at-odds-over-epa-response-guide-20130923

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23918882

http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/13/1425/2013/acp-13-1425-2013.html

http://news.discovery.com/earth/oceans/fukushima-radioactive-plume-reach-us-130901.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/japan-government-joining-efforts-contain-fukushima-toxic-water-033418884.html

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201309200053

http://enenews.com/mystery-tv-expert-says-oceans-radiation-levels-too-high-to-be-explained-by-only-groundwater-there-must-be-other-routes-for-contamination-thats-flowing-into-pacific-devastating-impact

http://www.whiotv.com/news/news/world/activist-warns-days-eating-pacific-ocean-fish-are-/nZjdK/

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/08/the-fukushima-nightmare-gets-worse.html

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2013/08/15/fukushima-watch-tepco-finally-gets-an-official-cleanup-plan/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-perrow/fukushima-forever_b_3941589.html

Well, there is the list, read them and weep. I know I am.

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This is not good. Fukushima a disaster in slow motion.... (Original Post) blackspade Oct 2013 OP
Wow.. its worse than i thought. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #1
Not saying it's not true but Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #2
Yah, lets focus on one source ( out of the many ) rather than discuss the problem. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #4
Okay Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #6
. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #10
So discount that claim then if you like. Other sources include the U.S. Geological Survey, BBC News, cui bono Oct 2013 #19
yea, it's fine. Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #21
Good catch. blackspade Oct 2013 #43
Thanks nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #3
OMGosh....... a kennedy Oct 2013 #5
When will th US step in Control-Z Oct 2013 #7
And do what, except kill American workers by radiation? WinkyDink Oct 2013 #9
We don't need the US taking over anything anymore. See Iraq, Afghanistan, sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #55
I happen to live on the west coast which is part of the United States. Control-Z Oct 2013 #87
Don't you dare make false accusations of 'hatred for the US' against me. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #88
"We don't need the US taking over anything anymore." Control-Z Oct 2013 #89
I asked for an apology, I am not interested in any discussion with someone sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #90
How dare you? (nt) Control-Z Oct 2013 #91
Yes, you made an egregious false allegation and apparently sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #93
You are so sadly mistaken. Control-Z Oct 2013 #94
Your words are here for everyone to read. Using a Right Wing sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #95
Because Japan and the world science community have no idea what to do. CK_John Oct 2013 #8
Correct. nt. PearliePoo2 Oct 2013 #15
Yup. And that's scarier than the radiation itself. Nay Oct 2013 #35
Because there is sooo much money to be made, building nuclear plants. djean111 Oct 2013 #11
Money ... CountAllVotes Oct 2013 #12
Yep, Money... zeemike Oct 2013 #31
Posted once and already locked for CT... SidDithers Oct 2013 #13
From your link bahrbearian Oct 2013 #16
That's not how the burden of proof works. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #26
No but their food source might. zeemike Oct 2013 #33
Sure it is. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #65
Was it even measured? zeemike Oct 2013 #66
Radioactivity is essential for your survival. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #67
Well that is a relief...it is actually good for you. zeemike Oct 2013 #68
There are several, but three main types, and they register on most geiger counters. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #69
Why in the world would it be locked? There is nothing theoretical about it. BethMomDem Oct 2013 #20
Interesting. cui bono Oct 2013 #23
The article may be creative speculation, but I don't think it is conspiracy theory. ZombieHorde Oct 2013 #40
I doubt there is any "fix" for this massive FUBAR. PearliePoo2 Oct 2013 #14
Two radiation maps... TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #17
This plant should have been de-activated a long time ago but... PearliePoo2 Oct 2013 #18
And yet we don't hear much from the media Packerowner740 Oct 2013 #22
Corporates Prophet 451 Oct 2013 #28
A story like this should be plastered all over the news... Jasana Oct 2013 #38
Hey, I have a good idea!! raging_moderate Oct 2013 #24
More motivation for me to move to east coast of South America. ErikJ Oct 2013 #25
We're fucked, right? Prophet 451 Oct 2013 #27
Only if you believe this crap. wtmusic Oct 2013 #56
And how does the world respond malaise Oct 2013 #29
Ignorance is bliss CountAllVotes Oct 2013 #34
Unfreakingbelievable malaise Oct 2013 #36
Agree CountAllVotes Oct 2013 #42
I just checked 4 major Japanese newspapers. Only one had anything of substance about Fukushima. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #30
Here's a Japanese news website that has a daily Fukushima compilation of articles! PearliePoo2 Oct 2013 #32
That's a very good link for current (and ongoing) info. Thanks much! liberalla Oct 2013 #52
Thank you! MoonRiver Oct 2013 #75
Help wanted in Fukushima but low pay, high risks and gangsters. PearliePoo2 Oct 2013 #37
Wow. Good post. Thanks. ..nt TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #53
Not Sure When This Was Done, But... WillyT Oct 2013 #39
"I fail to understand why there is not more information..." You know why. Who would profit from it? jtuck004 Oct 2013 #41
It was more a retorical question, and you're exactly right. blackspade Oct 2013 #44
"Some men worship rank, some worship heroes, some worship power, some worship God jtuck004 Oct 2013 #45
So now we're blaming Fukushima and not global warming? Barack_America Oct 2013 #46
Definately not! blackspade Oct 2013 #48
OK.... blackspade Oct 2013 #47
Because there is so much exaggeration! Nt Logical Oct 2013 #49
Exaggeration in what way? blackspade Oct 2013 #50
Shit..... Logical Oct 2013 #51
Surrender. wtmusic Oct 2013 #54
No kidding. n-t Logical Oct 2013 #57
This is an epic disaster. blackspade Oct 2013 #61
Here.... Logical Oct 2013 #62
Thanks for the link. blackspade Oct 2013 #63
It's bad, but it's a matter of scope and scale. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #72
Actually, Fukushima has probably killed a few workers Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #78
How can we know the truth? chervilant Oct 2013 #58
For anyone following seismic activity in the reactor area theHandpuppet Oct 2013 #59
Just remember that *magnitude* does not necessarily mean *intensity* Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #83
Clicked the link, saw "From Activist Post", clicked out. sagat Oct 2013 #60
Updated OP with links to non-bullshit sources from the... blackspade Oct 2013 #64
Dreadful for the West Coast (Add melting starfish) Generic Other Oct 2013 #70
No New Nukes in GA! http://www.nonukesyall.org grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #71
Monday morning kick. nt riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #73
Bookmarked for when I wake tavalon Oct 2013 #74
From "Japan Today": PearliePoo2 Oct 2013 #76
K & R Quantess Oct 2013 #77
This is going to take Delphinus Oct 2013 #79
A crazy salad of truths and whacked-out speculation. Bonobo Oct 2013 #80
Perhaps you should have taken the time to explore the links blackspade Oct 2013 #81
Here's one. Bonobo Oct 2013 #82
While there is some nuggets of interesting stuff in there... blackspade Oct 2013 #84
Fair enough. nt Bonobo Oct 2013 #85
Here's what the former PM of Japan has to say RobertEarl Oct 2013 #86
kick ..nt TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #92

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
19. So discount that claim then if you like. Other sources include the U.S. Geological Survey, BBC News,
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:04 PM
Oct 2013

WaPo, Japan Times, Canada.com, The Globe and the Mail, HuffPo...

How's that?


Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
21. yea, it's fine.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:16 PM
Oct 2013

i did indicate that it all wasn't necessarily untrue just b/c infowars was tucked in there. just seems weird that a known entertainment/conspiracy source should be honored with inclusion in a list of mostly credible news sources.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
43. Good catch.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:19 PM
Oct 2013

I checked a bunch of them and the ones I checked looked legit.
If you note any other ones that are potential bullshit please post.
This all seems bad enough without adding a layer of crap to the pile.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
7. When will th US step in
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:20 PM
Oct 2013

and help - or take over? It is time for world leaders/powers to take control! Damn.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
55. We don't need the US taking over anything anymore. See Iraq, Afghanistan,
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:38 PM
Oct 2013

and everywhere else we took over.

The US is currently the biggest proponent of Nuclear Power. What is needed is a number of countries to focus on the survival of the planet, rather than on the 'bottom line' of the Nuke Industry.

It was the pushing of Nuclear power, using Jaban as a 'model' to overcome those who were warning against it, that caused this disaster.

Let's get people who GOT IT RIGHT to take over. Not those who have been so very wrong.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
87. I happen to live on the west coast which is part of the United States.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:52 AM
Oct 2013

I'd feel a whole lot better if I knew the US and other scientifically and technically advanced countries were jumping in to help. This is not a war we are talking about. It's a global sized crisis that needs a global sized response.

Your comment doesn't even make sense in this thread. And frankly, I'm tired of your shitty attitude and hatred of the US and this administration. Do you ever have anything productive or nice to say?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
88. Don't you dare make false accusations of 'hatred for the US' against me.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 09:44 AM
Oct 2013

I am sick of this Right Wing charge against Democrats which most us were subjected to throughout the Bush years from right wing morons and it is DISGRACEFUL to see it dragged here to DU each time someone disagrees with Policies DEMS ALWAYS disagreed with. NOT because they 'hate this country' but because they LOVE IT.

You know nothing about me. I expect an apology for that, which I never expected to see here on DU against a Democrat.

It was not Dems who hated the US when they opposed the destruction of Civil Rights and the lies that got the US into wars that killed untold numbers of people.

Right Wingers hate this country, they hate Democracy and supported every bad policy that destroyed the rights that MAKE IT WHAT IT IS.

I am sick to death of this kind of disgusting method of responding to people who have legitimate concerns about this country.

It is disgraceful to see it on DU. I do not know you but i have just learned quite aa bit about you frankly.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
89. "We don't need the US taking over anything anymore."
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 11:17 AM
Oct 2013

Why? Why would you say such a negative thing?

The US did not cause the disaster. Wars had nothing to do with it. An earthquake and tsunami caused severe damage to the nuclear power plant. Radiation is spewing into the ocean and heading to our west coast. I want it cleaned up. I want the greatest minds in the world working on it. I want to see a global effort that INCLUDES THE US.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
90. I asked for an apology, I am not interested in any discussion with someone
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 11:25 AM
Oct 2013

who uses the 'Why do you hate America right wing meme' in place of discussion.

If you do not wish to apologize for that lie, that is on you. How dare you!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
93. Yes, you made an egregious false allegation and apparently
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:51 PM
Oct 2013

have no intention of apologizing for being so totally wrong. An allegation that should never be made against any DUer on this site.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
95. Your words are here for everyone to read. Using a Right Wing
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:22 PM
Oct 2013

'Dems hate America' allegation here is what you did. To resort to those old, now infamous, Bush supporter attacks on Democrats for opposing his policies, is shameful.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
35. Yup. And that's scarier than the radiation itself.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:25 PM
Oct 2013

It's been my opinion that Fukishima is a true game-changer of an event. It's going to be subtler than, say, the Yellowstone caldera blowing up, but a game-changer nevertheless.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
11. Because there is sooo much money to be made, building nuclear plants.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:21 PM
Oct 2013

New ones are scheduled to be built in Great Britain, I believe. Maybe a look at the people who will make money from this as related to who owns the media might be interesting? You never really know.

No matter how poisonous and destructive Fukushima gets, the driving force here is profit.
Profit to think about building nuclear, profit to actually build nuclear, profit to "maintain" nuclear, profit to figure out which piece of the earth to poison with nuclear waste. All in addition to profit from providing electricity, which of course has the other profit points built in. And then, the all important investor class. The TPP will take care of them handsomely. Wonder if building a nuclear plant on a fault line or whatever will be pushed through anyway - because to not build stifles profits.

I imagine the next big thing for solar will be battery storage, because the power companies are going to start charging a lot more for access to the grid, so they can maintain and increase profits while not actually generating the electricity. Cool, because looks like they are entrenched and will get away with it.
I have even seen articles that carefully explain that we can't replace nuclear with solar or wind or wave energy because the return on investment is not nearly as great.
Sickening, literally and emotionally.

CountAllVotes

(20,877 posts)
12. Money ...
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:27 PM
Oct 2013



Anything..

Anything..

Anything for money

Would lie for you

Would die for you

Even sell my soul to the devil

& recommend.

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
16. From your link
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:43 PM
Oct 2013

"So FUKU Apologists and deniers, please, instead of dissing the source, please feel free to find some data that proves this untrue and post it here in this thread. I want to know the truth about what is happening there and I have no idea on how to acquire it. And no, "it was in a story from a questionable website" does not work (in regards to the Bluefin Tuna story, which while the website it came from was questionable, the story has popped up in a lot more media than the dissed source.... "

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
26. That's not how the burden of proof works.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:01 PM
Oct 2013

If you want to associate sea lions with sores, and fish bleeding from the gills and eyes an ocean away, to a reactor in Japan, the link is easy to establish.

Especially since the species in question don't migrate to Japan. Exposure would have to happen locally.


Prove it.
It's a very low bar to meet, really.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
33. No but their food source might.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:23 PM
Oct 2013

And all sea life is connected to plankton, which travels on the curents....and such things tend to accumulate in higher life forms.

And that is not a low bar to meet if you don't consider that.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
65. Sure it is.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:28 PM
Oct 2013

The sea lions would still have radioactive material in their gut, thyroids, etc.

There are other known causes for this sort of thing. Still human-caused, but not necessarily radiation.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
66. Was it even measured?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:35 PM
Oct 2013

And if it was what was it like?
I know little about biology, but I do know that radioactivity is harmful to all life, and it is in the sea now, and will be there for a long time to come...and will effect life ether directly or indirectly.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
67. Radioactivity is essential for your survival.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:47 PM
Oct 2013

You would not last long without ingesting radioactive potassium.

It's type, and dose that gets you.


Until someone measures the remains of the sea lions and actually finds radiation, they're just guessing, based on a symptom that can be caused by any number of issues. (Usually commercial manufacturing waste or mining runoff.)

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
68. Well that is a relief...it is actually good for you.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:57 PM
Oct 2013

I think I will go out and get me some Strontium 90 then...or some fine plutonium to chase it down with.

Does all radioactive material measure on a Geiger counter?...and can they measure the changes in the organisms that are effected by it?...are cancer cells caused by radioactive substances radioactive too?
I got lots of questions like that.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
69. There are several, but three main types, and they register on most geiger counters.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 12:13 AM
Oct 2013

Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation. Alpha won't penetrate your skin, or a piece of paper, so the Geiger tube has to be exposed to it directly to pick it up. A thin filter rules it out, and you detect the next two. Beta goes a bit deeper, you can use a thin piece of aluminium to block the alpha and beta, and still read gamma. Gamma will go through quite a bit of material.

Strontium 90 is a beta decay radiation with an energy level of 0.546 MeV. You really don't want that in your body at all. It uptakes into your bones too, so it hangs around... Leukemia, etc. Not good.

Anyone looking for it should find it in the sea lions.

BethMomDem

(70 posts)
20. Why in the world would it be locked? There is nothing theoretical about it.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:06 PM
Oct 2013

Either monitors are showing elevated radiation levels or they aren't.

No matter what source you are getting it from, YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH MONITOR READOUTS.

THEY ARE ELEVATED. THEY HAVE EVEN FOUND ELEVATED LEVELS IN RAINWATER IN PENNSYLVANIA.

Unless of course someone is trying to say they are all malfunctioning at once, and on different days at the same time..................which would be the conspiracy theory lol.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
23. Interesting.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:26 PM
Oct 2013

I see in that thread that some of the sources for this have some very "odd" and inflamatory "stories". However, a lot of stuff on the list is sourced from reputable agencies. So I still think it's worth a read and a rec.

Perhaps it's somewhere in the middle then. I certainly don't doubt we will see horrific effects from this disaster for decades to come. I'm sure glad I stocked up on my frozen salmon burgers when it happened.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
40. The article may be creative speculation, but I don't think it is conspiracy theory.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:57 PM
Oct 2013

CT requires a plot of some sort. Chemtrails are a CT because there is a hidden, nefarious plot, while bigfoot is creative speculation since s/he is just a mythical creature. The article in the OP doesn't have a plot, just "facts" which may be wrong and/or unrelated to Fukushima.

I'm just arguing for its own sake.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
14. I doubt there is any "fix" for this massive FUBAR.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:30 PM
Oct 2013

No one even knows where the melted corium blobs are.
The locations of the meltdown/melt-through cores are unknown. As in: No one knows where the fuck they are.
Uncharted waters here, folks.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
18. This plant should have been de-activated a long time ago but...
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:57 PM
Oct 2013

the criminal fuckers falsified reports and did what ever it took to keep it going beyond its shelf life.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-17/japan-s-nuclear-disaster-caps-decades-of-faked-safety-reports-accidents.html
From the article:

The unfolding disaster at the Fukushima nuclear plant follows decades of falsified safety reports, fatal accidents and underestimated earthquake risk in Japan’s atomic power industry.

In 2002 and 2007, revelations the utility had faked repair records forced the resignation of the company’s chairman and president, and a three-week shutdown of all 17 of its reactors.

Nuclear engineers and academics who have worked in Japan’s atomic power industry spoke in interviews of a history of accidents, faked reports and inaction

Katsuhiko Ishibashi, a seismology professor at Kobe University, has said Japan’s history of nuclear accidents stems from an overconfidence in plant engineering. In 2006, he resigned from a government panel on reactor safety, saying the review process was rigged and “unscientific.”


Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
28. Corporates
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:04 PM
Oct 2013

Almost all of your media is owned by six mega-corporations. Many of them have connections to the energy industry.

Jasana

(490 posts)
38. A story like this should be plastered all over the news...
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:38 PM
Oct 2013

but there is nothing except an eerie silence. To be honest, it scares me. Like some others on this thread it makes me think the situation is totally FUBAR and no one has any idea what to do about it. (That plus corporate sponsors...)

raging_moderate

(147 posts)
24. Hey, I have a good idea!!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:54 PM
Oct 2013

Let's pass some laws that allow greedy unethical multinational corporations to import a great deal of our common foodstuffs from somewhere, I don't know, on the other side of the Pacific. A place that is well known for dumping unclean, impure, purposefully adulterated products on our unsuspecting public, while simultaneously gutting our regulatory agencies who's job it is to test our food supply. Just think of the stock profiles of literally hundreds if not thousands of well deserving contemporary aristocrats!

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
27. We're fucked, right?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:02 PM
Oct 2013

I mean, I'm a Brit so I guess I won't get it quite so bad but still, these are really not good signs.

CountAllVotes

(20,877 posts)
42. Agree
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:59 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:35 PM - Edit history (3)

I guess this must have been "missed" by our neighbors in Great Britan (from the article you posted above):

>> Hinkley Point

Britain to build first nuclear power station for 20 years in EDF deal

Planned reactors at Hinkley are first to begin construction since Fukushima disaster and will come online in 2023.

My comment: LIES SUCK!!!!

This looks and sounds like a plan to build a nuke to me unless I've gone brain dead within the half-hour or so!



David Cameron delivers a speech to workers at Hinkley Point B power station, next to what will be the site of the UK's next nuclear power station. Photograph: Tim Ireland/PA

*************

I have a good friend that lives in Holland. He has been writing to me for years and one of his biggest issues is Chernobyl.

He wrote me a couple of years ago about the death of a woman we both knew -- died of brain cancer and was quite young.

He is absolutely convinced that all of these deaths that are occurring in the EU and in other countries that are closer to where Chernobyl is located is killing people and has been saying this for years and not long ago he wrote me again to advise me that the woman's father has now died of the same thing, a rare form of brain cancer.

There is no way you can run and hide from this reality. Sure you can move east, move west, move to another country, etc. However, as humans we all share one thing and that is our planet.

There is no way to escape the grim reality that we are just beginning to see the aftermath of from all of these damned nukes and abuse of the planet in general. People that fail to embrace this grim reality are only kidding themselves when they say "we don't have them here", etc.

They are everywhere, that is right, everywhere and NO, they cannot be gotten rid of easily. If it were easy, well we'd have a solution wouldn't we? There is no solution, that is the problem. Whoever the evil people are that decided to build these damned things all over the place were either plain stupid or just plain greedy or perhaps a combination of the two.

Money can't fix this. People can't fix this. If there is a God, perhaps God could fix this dare I suggest?

We did it to ourselves so yep, IGNORANCE IS BLISS. That is about the only thing you can say to make yourself feel unaffected and good about this horror -- that nukes are just fine and that they have no ill effects and there aren't any where I live so to hell with it so lets build more of them so I, yes I, can have what I need and want.

Yeah right ...

Tell that to a child born with severe deformities if they can even possibly comprehend such a thing and/or that person up the street dying from some sort of bizarre cancer that appeared seemingly overnight.

My friend that I mention above in Holland wrote me in a letter a few years ago stating that we live in a very sad world.

I wanted to think he was wrong but he was quite correct. It is not only a sad world but a sick one filled with denial, greed and evil aplenty to go with it.



PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
37. Help wanted in Fukushima but low pay, high risks and gangsters.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:29 PM
Oct 2013
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201310250089

IWAKI, Fukushima Prefecture--Tetsuya Hayashi went to Fukushima to take a job at ground zero of the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl. He lasted less than two weeks.

Hayashi, 41, says he was recruited for a job monitoring the radiation exposure of workers leaving the plant in the summer of 2012. Instead, when he turned up for work, he was handed off through a web of contractors and assigned, to his surprise, to one of Fukushima's hottest radiation zones.

He was told he would have to wear an oxygen tank and a double-layer protective suit. Even then, his handlers told him, the radiation would be so high it could burn through his annual exposure limit in just under an hour.
"I felt cheated and entrapped," Hayashi said. "I had not agreed to any of this."

more in article guaranteed to scare and piss you off.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
41. "I fail to understand why there is not more information..." You know why. Who would profit from it?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:57 PM
Oct 2013

Plenty of profit to be made by keeping quiet. They don't give a shit about you, me, or anyone else, at all. At all. At all. That is the answer to your question, and everyone knows it.

But life on this plantation lulls people into a false sense of security. We are more concerned about the Master's house burning down than our own.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
45. "Some men worship rank, some worship heroes, some worship power, some worship God
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:33 PM
Oct 2013

and over these ideals they dispute, but they all worship money."

-Mark Twain

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
46. So now we're blaming Fukushima and not global warming?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:38 PM
Oct 2013

1. We have two disasters here and need to think carefully about which is causing what and which are just happening (because not everything will be caused by either).

2. We do pollute our own waters and blaming Fukushima for all the radiation off our coasts gives our own polluters a pass.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
48. Definately not!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:42 PM
Oct 2013

Global climate change is a fact and a catastrophic one at that.
Fukushima (and other nuke plants) is horrible in other ways, that will only make the next century that much worse in combination.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
47. OK....
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:39 PM
Oct 2013

I did some more checking on this 'author' Michael Snyder.
He runs a site called the Truth which is a nutbag site.
Many of the sources that are included are credible and the information is important, but this asshole's narrative is so beyond full of shit.

I may go back through all of the sources later and just post links to credible ones, but I don't have the time at the moment.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
50. Exaggeration in what way?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 05:24 PM
Oct 2013

If you are saying incorrect linkings of cause and effect, I hear you, but there is no way that Fukushima is not an epic disaster.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
51. Shit.....
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 05:34 PM
Oct 2013

People a few weeks ago said the Tuna meat was deadly. Which was bullshit.

Said this was the worst disaster ever. Which was bullshit.

Get it now?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
61. This is an epic disaster.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:07 PM
Oct 2013

How is that bullshit?
Besides global climate change and nuclear war how are fuck ups like Chernobyl and Fukushima not horrific long term disasters?

I missed the tuna meat story, have a link?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
72. It's bad, but it's a matter of scope and scale.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:23 AM
Oct 2013

You want a truly slow-moving disaster, like you mention, look at what our CO2 production is doing to the climate on a planetary scale. It moves so slow, the confirmation bias so strong, that most humans can't even distinguish between 'natural' events, and events fueled by climate change. Fukushima doesn't even rate, on that scale.

Fukushima hasn't actually killed anyone yet, so far as we know. (A few, if we consider people injured in the quake that search and rescue didn't go looking for, due to radiation fears.)

In the same quake, when the Sendai dam let go, it destroyed 1,800 homes. We'll never know how many were killed by that, because their remains are just flat gone. To say nothing of the tsunami itself.

Fukushima Dai-ichi is a very expensive, very novel industrial disaster. It's going to remain a problem for a very long time. But it is important to keep it in scope with whatever dimension of 'disaster' you want to compare it on, whether it be environmental damage, food chain damage, damage to humanity, etc. For damage to humanity, it's nothing. Less than nothing. Keep away from it a bit, and maybe don't eat some of the local foods. Done. An uptick in leukemia cases, some thyroid damage. Fracking hydrocarbons probably kills more people than this reactor will, by poisoning our goddamn water, and we don't even recognize it as a threat in most places.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
78. Actually, Fukushima has probably killed a few workers
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:27 PM
Oct 2013

Not just during the actual disaster, when some workers were killed by the tsunami and associated accidents, but afterward, as at least 2 or 3 post-disaster workers have complained of nausea and other symptoms at the site and either died there or later died at a hospital.

Of course, all residential areas within a 12-mile radius (roughly 226 square miles land area) of the reactors were evacuated shortly after the explosions at the complex, and for the most part are still uninhabitable, so that has greatly reduced the possibility of short-term deaths. However, there seems to be an increase in health-related problems downwind of the reactors but outside of the 12-mile exclusion zone.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
58. How can we know the truth?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 08:21 PM
Oct 2013
A senior researcher of marine chemistry at the Japan Meteorological Agency’s Meteorological Research Institute says that “30 billion becquerels of radioactive cesium and 30 billion becquerels of radioactive strontium” are being released into the Pacific Ocean from Fukushima every single day.

According to Tepco, a total of somewhere between 20 trillion and 40 trillion becquerels of radioactive tritium have gotten into the Pacific Ocean since the Fukushima disaster first began.


Is this accurate, or is it hyperbole? When we can't get honesty from the corporate megalomaniacs who own and control the most profitable energy resources, why is ANYONE surprised when folks start sounding like Chicken Little?

We have no frame of reference for this disaster. We have no way of knowing how severely it will decimate our species until we're further into the "clean-up" efforts. If TEPCO fucks up the imminent removal of those fuel rod assemblies, we're in for one helluva ride.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
59. For anyone following seismic activity in the reactor area
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 08:23 PM
Oct 2013

I'd suggest this site: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/

The have interactive maps there that are the best I've come across. Just follow the links on the page menu.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
83. Just remember that *magnitude* does not necessarily mean *intensity*
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:24 AM
Oct 2013

The recent 7.1 magnitude earthquake off the coast of Fukushima is a case in point. Theoretically, a 7.1 earthquake could cause major damage just about anywhere in the world. But the epicenter of that earthquake was 100 miles offshore, and the strongest *intensity* on land was only a 4 on the Japanese scale, which was recorded in inland areas of Fukushima Prefecture. For reference, 4 on the Japanese scale means that some things like small figurines might have fallen off of shelves.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
74. Bookmarked for when I wake
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:50 AM
Oct 2013

I'm a nightshifter.

I was aware of so much that others didn't want to hear when this disaster first rolled out. I'm sad to say, I'll probably see nothing I didn't know or see coming.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
76. From "Japan Today":
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:38 PM
Oct 2013

Oh isn't this NICE? NOT...
Getting any info about this FUBAR is about to get even more difficult.

Secrecy act stirs fears about press freedom, right to know.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/secrecy-act-stirs-fears-about-press-freedom-right-to-know

TOKYO —

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s government is planning a state secrets act that critics say could curtail public access to information on a wide range of issues, including tensions with China and the Fukushima nuclear crisis.The new law would dramatically expand the definition of official secrets and journalists convicted under it could be jailed for up to five years.
“Under the bill, the administrative branch can set the range of information that is kept secret at its own discretion.”
Media watchdogs fear the law would seriously hobble journalists’ ability to investigate official misdeeds and blunders, including the collusion between regulators and utilities that led to the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster.

A probe by an independent parliamentary panel found that collusion between regulators and the nuclear power industry was a key factor in the failure to prevent the meltdowns at Tokyo Electric Power Co’s (TEPCO) tsunami-hit Fukushima plant in March 2011, and the government and the utility remain the focus of criticism for their handling of the on-going crisis.
More at link..


Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
80. A crazy salad of truths and whacked-out speculation.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:04 PM
Oct 2013

OP has not ability to separate truth from rank nonsense and that makes this OP worthless.

Yes, there is radioactive leakage, no it is not melting starfish in California.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
81. Perhaps you should have taken the time to explore the links
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:09 AM
Oct 2013

None of them include the type of speculation that you speak of.
What 'rank nonsense' are you specifically referring too?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
84. While there is some nuggets of interesting stuff in there...
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:28 AM
Oct 2013

I see what you are getting at with that one.
I'll delete that link.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
86. Here's what the former PM of Japan has to say
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:41 AM
Oct 2013

Naoto Kan, the Former Prime Minister of Japan: The accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant
was the most severe accident in the history of mankind.

I had pushed the policy of utilizing nuclear power my view is now changed 180 degrees. there are no other events except for wars that would require the evacuation of tens of millions of people. it is technically impossible to eliminate accidents, especially if human factors such as terrorism are taken into account to eliminate nuclear power plant accidents. All we need to do is to eliminate nuclear power plants themselves. we are leaving the huge problem of nuclear waste for future generations to care for. There is no other way but to go down in the path toward achieving zero nuclear power, for the sake of our children and grandchildren. It is possible for mankind to get enough energy without relying on nuclear power — by using natural energy such as solar, wind, and biomass. To help curb global warming, we need to stop the use of not only nuclear power but also fossil fuels.

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