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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:43 AM Oct 2013

The NSA, Narcissism & Nationalism

I spent Wednesday afternoon meandering across the web, looking at how the American media were covering allegations that the National Security Agency had spied on yet another foreign leader. “Don’t Tap My Phone,” screamed the banner headline at Huffington Post, above a grim-faced German Chancellor Angela Merkel. “Obama to Merkel: We’re Not Spying On You,” announced the lead story on msnbc.com. Then I tacked right, to see how the websites of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Red State, National Review, and The Weekly Standard were handling the story. They weren’t. None of them featured the allegations at all, though it had been the subject of a Jay Carney White House press briefing just hours before.

This is part of the reason America is struggling as a superpower: our nationalists don’t give a fig about the nationalism of anyone else. American conservatives sometimes say that unlike American liberals, who believe in surrendering power to global institutions, they believe in the nation as the sole legitimate source of authority in international affairs. And that’s true when defending our nation’s prerogatives. Had news broken that Germany was tapping our president’s cell phone, Limbaugh would be musing about fire-bombing Dresden again. But the American right is indifferent, if not hostile, to non-Americans defending their nation’s honor. NSA spying on foreign leaders is only the latest example. In Colorado, they’re now issuing drone-hunting licenses so Americans can shoot down any airborne spy planes that trespass their property. And yet there’s scarcely any sympathy on the right for the Pakistanis and Yemenis who are upset that the U.S. sends drones over their countries, though those drones regularly kill people.

This isn’t American “exceptionalism”—the belief that the U.S. is fundamentally different, and better, than other nations. It’s what the international relations scholar John Ruggie has called (PDF) American “exemptionalism”—the belief that America need not play by everyone else’s rules. The notion isn’t completely absurd. As a superpower, which many smaller countries look to for protection, the U.S. does have special burdens that may sometimes require a special freedom of action. It’s easy for Belgium to say it won’t take military action without United Nations approval. It’s harder for the U.S., the country that gets disproportionately blamed if a Security Council deadlock prevents it from stopping genocide or protecting an ally from harm.

But American foreign policy has been most successful when the U.S. has been more, rather than less, sensitive to other countries’ pride. A good example is the Marshall Plan, which the United States funded but let the nations of Western Europe design, even though they organized their postwar economies in ways that looked socialistic to American eyes. Another is NATO, which at least in theory meant that the U.S. had obligations to smaller, weaker European nations, not just the other way around.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/24/the-national-security-agency-narcissism-and-nationalism.html

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randome

(34,845 posts)
1. It's an old, old adage that voters don't get excited about foreign policy.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:56 AM
Oct 2013

That's why I don't hear anything about the NSA except on Internet bubbles.
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cali

(114,904 posts)
2. I can't help but laugh at your post.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 08:01 AM
Oct 2013

Largely, it's true that voters don't get excited about foreign policy- except when they do. Foreign policy helped Obama beat Clinton in 2008, for instance.

But beyond that and far more significant than that is simply that foreign policy is important and encompasses everything from trade policy to defense spending. You seem to be suggesting that talking about foreign policy is pointless because it doesn't play into electoral politics (I pointed out that there are significant exceptions to that overly broad claim of yours).

that strikes me as stunningly shortsighted and sadly shallow.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. If it's such a trivial issue, why do you consistently bother to comment on this topic?
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 08:10 AM
Oct 2013

I agree, nonetheless, that most Americans aren't the least bit worked up about NSA spying overseas on foreign governments. Many even accept that foreign intelligence collection is what NSA was created to do, and see no reason whatsoever to ever stop. After all, our "friends and allies" do exactly the same here, for exactly the same reason. The issue is universal, warrantless domestic surveillance. I just wish the world's spy agencies would all leak to the public what they know about the wrongdoing of other governments - sort of a reverse ECHELON with nowhere to hide for incompetent and avaricious officials. Because they don't, that's why Snowden and others like him are performing such a valuable public service.

The world is probably a safer place where everyone in power around the world knows what the others are doing, and the public knows what those in power are up to.

Foreign policy becomes a big deal when the mutual deterrence system breaks down and the body bags start coming back.

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