Police unload gun into 13 year old boy

[FreakinDJ]

Fuck anyone who can justify what thie eye witness is reporting

http://m.ktvu.com/news/news/national/dozens-march-remember-boy-killed-deputies/nbXW9/

The kid was shot because he was the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood - and don't you know all the Brown Skinned Boys are just a bunch of Gang Bangers anyway

Pukes wo side with Cops justifying this kind of shit don't deserve to be pissed on if their face was on fire

[badtoworse]

1. Tragic, but I'll wait until all the facts are known to draw conclusions

Manufacturing realistic looking guns for use by children is a very bad idea. Pointing such a gun, either intentionally or inadvertantly, at a police officer is risking being shot, but I wouldn't expect a child to realize that.

I'm finding it tough to believe anyone would fire 6 or 7 shots into a child lying on the ground. In any case, it should be pretty easy to determine how many times the child was hit.

[FreakinDJ]

2. That is the 2nd eye witness to claim that

Doesn't seem justifiable

[COLGATE4]

3. I agree with answer # 1

It's way too easy to jump the gun and go charging off all inflamed when all the facts are not in evidence. Let's see what comes out before we start haraguing all cops.

[Ranchemp.]

7. Why not wait for the autopsy report to come out

before condemning the cops?
Should be pretty easy to determine if the cops shot him 5x in the back.

[quinnox]

4. if you are a black male in America, the cops tend to shoot you on site

that is what it seems like in many news stories like this anyhow.

[FreakinDJ]

5. All too often

[MindPilot]

6. And on sight too.

Both me and a co-worker used to live in Santa Rosa. When he came to my desk yesterday to tell me about this incident, my very first comment was "lemme guess, the victim's skin is darker than yours or mine."

These incidents are becoming so frequent that they are completely predicable. it's almost like the cops are trying to conduct some kind of ethic cleansing.

[uponit7771]

38. +1

[Archae]

8. This is what is known, so far.

Kid is 13, has a gun in his hand.

A toy gun, but a realistic-looking toy one, most toy guns have a the muzzle painted orange so it stands out as a toy.
Maybe (I don't know yet,) the orange was removed or painted over.

Cops see 13 year old kid with a gun, he refuses to drop it.

Should they wait until he points the gun?
Remember, they might not know the gun is a toy.

So they shoot him.

Suicide by cop.

It happens more frequently than you think.

[EOTE]

9. You think this 13 year old might have committed suicide by cop?

Really?

[Rex]

11. Desperation to excuse unwarranted force on a child with a toy imo.

nt.

[EOTE]

16. Sounds about right to me. nt

[Archae]

12. It is possible.

[tkmorris]

13. It's possible he was an alien with an appendage shaped like a sawed off shotgun too

But I kinda freakin doubt it.

[EOTE]

15. It's also possible monkeys might fly out of my ass.

Yet you don't see me writing about such things on the internet. It just worries me when people go through ridiculous logical contortions in order to attempt to excuse cops when they do utterly horrific things.

[FreakinDJ]

18. Thank You for saying the obvious

[EOTE]

24. So sad how often the obvious needs to be said around here. nt

[Rex]

10. But he didn't have a gun in his hand, he had a toy.

And was shot in the back 5 times. They should have tried to find out if it was a toy and used common sense (normally, 13 year old boys do not run around with real AK-47s) which they failed to do.

A rare and tragic event. Or at least one would hope it is a rare event.

[FreakinDJ]

14. No Piss for you

2 eyewitnesses have corroborated the cops shot the boy twice in the back and then walked over and pumped 5 more bullets in him

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

22. This should be pretty easy to resolve...

The police are saying that one or two bullets struck the kid (at least one, we presume, was from the front). If they fired point-blank multiple times into the child's body after he was on the ground, it should be a no-brainer with regard to the forensics.

[Xithras]

28. Correction: He did not "refuse to drop the gun"

The boy was walking down the road when two police cars rolled up BEHIND HIM without their sirens on. The officers jumped out and one screamed at him to drop his rifle...WITHOUT IDENTIFYING HIMSELF AS A POLICE OFFICER. When the boy started to turn around to see who was shouting at him, they opened fire. The kid never had a chance.

This cop, like most, chose killing over thinking.

[Archae]

17. Yup, all cops are evil bloodthirsty brutes who just love to kill kids.

Because kids between 12 and 14 never, NE-VER use real guns to kill, right?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014629106

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023895557

Put yourselves in those cops' shoes.
Teenager with gun.
There's no sign on the gun saying in neon, "Toy Gun."

Kid refuses to stop, refuses to drop gun.
"Oh well, he's just a teenager, let him go..."

[Rex]

19. Kid did NOT refuse to stop! He tried to turn around!

If you are going to make stuff up, try and get it close to right.

Nice CYA for a bunch of thugs that murdered a kid in cold blood...you should be so proud.

[EOTE]

23. Not all, just far too large a chunk of them.

Not just kids, though. The elderly, minorities, people who don't immediately wield to their authority. Just about anything that's not imperveous to bullets, really. But it's a tough job, so I can totally understand shooting the kid in the back.

[rhett o rick]

32. No one said all. That's an absurd way to argue. But it sure looks to me like

Some, a small number, but some police kill first and ask questions later. Every day you hear where they kill dogs, kids, mentally ill, old people that cant move. It's a home for psychopaths. And if you are a racist, it's an extra bonus.

In this case, as in many others, the police killed an innocent person to protect innocent people. They are not trained to use common sense, just how to point and pull the trigger as many times as they can.

I am sorely disappointed in your lack of empathy.

[Lancero]

20. I've seen this on a few diffrient sites...

How odd isn't it, that this story conviently lacks a picture of the toy gun he had?

It has the safety tip that identified it as a toy removed, and with how it was designed it could easily be misidentified as a real gun.

He was asked to drop it - Instead he points it at them. Remember, it lacks the orange safety tip, so they have no way of knowing that it is a toy.

I do agree with the person saying that they should have been able to identify the weapon, but how can they identify it as a toy if the identifying safety tip was removed? Hint hint - As far away as they were, they couldn't.

Now before you ready the pitch forks, I'm not saying that them shooting him half a dozen times in the back was justified. It wasn't. But the first two shots they did at range? Given the circumstances, the first couple of shots are justifiable. But the ones after that? Nope.

Honestly though, he is just another victim of our nations gun fetishism. Their is no justifiable reason for a toy gun to be designed to look exactly like a real weapon. It's sad but the nations gun fetish is ultimately why this child died.

[KG]

21. yet, if i see a middle-aged white guy with a gun in the mall, i'm just sposed to assume

they're responsible gun owners and no need to call the keystones.

[Gravitycollapse]

25. If they point a gun at you, I'd recommend calling the cops.

Or, at the very least, running away.

[DefenseLawyer]

26. I won't be surprised to learn that one or both of these cops has been in combat

Over 10 years of perpetual war, so many guys come back from combat with PTSD and get jobs as cops. I may be wrong, but I bet I'm not. Of course to my knowledge they still haven't released the names of the shooters so we will have to wait and see.

[Hoyt]

27. Unfortunately, too many police are just Zimmermans in uniform. With that said,

maybe if guns were not so prevalent and worshiped in this country, this incident would not have happened.

I would not want to be a policeman today, and hope this incident was a legitimate mistake. If not, I the policemen should be disciplined appropriately.

[Ranchemp.]

29. Judging by your post here,

you're willing to wait for the official report to be released before pronouncing them guilty or innocent.
I wish everyone were this way.

[Hoyt]

30. My late FIL was a policeman for 25+ years. It ain't an easy job.

But, I won't deny there are more than a few attracted to the job for the wrong reasons, and who act like we live in a war zone. Then again, you want to go home every night too.

[Ranchemp.]

31. Great post.

There are a number of cops out there who joined up for all the wrong reasons, they usually don't last too long, it's the ones who join up for the right reasons and then go wrong that get me all fired up.

Going home safe every night/day is every LEO's ultimate goal.

[erpowers]

33. Looks Like A Toy Gun

Even before the police person showed a real gun I thought the first one he was holding was fake. As I watched the video, the police person just showed the real gun before I could get the words "it looks fake" out of my mouth. It was stated that the police showed the two guns to show how hard it was to tell the guns apart. Those two guns look very different. My thought was it seems very easy to tell those two guns apart.

[Lancero]

45. Yes and no

It's easy to see it's a toy gun, when your looking at it as close as the vid showed it.

But farther away? From range it can be confused for one, especially since the neon tip had been removed.

[Link Speed]

34. That is a rough 'hood

The cops there are on hair-trigger alert and the idiot surely knew better than to be walking around after school with a replica. I would've done just what those cops did. A cop cannot afford to hesitate in that sort of situation, I saw the pic of a replica next to the real deal in today's Press Democrat. Take about a quarte-second and tell me which one is real.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20131023/articles/131029824

[FreakinDJ]

43. Not a Rough Hood at all

I've personally walked down those streets at 11pm - 12 midnight alone without any need for a weapon or fear for my safety

So many people think "Brown Neighborhoods" are dangerous but they are so wrong. They Clear Out at 7 am every morning as everyone goes to work. I used to leave my Air Compressor in the breeze way so the paper route boys could fill up their bike tires and no one ever thought of stealing it

[Link Speed]

44. Granted, it is not Oakland or East LA

Things are different here, in the Valley.

It is all relative.

This was a tragic deal, but that kid should have known better than to go outside with that replica. His parents are idiots for even allowing him to have that thing, minus the give-away red muzzle tip (he must have pulled it).

Just a bad deal, all around. I live 4 blocks East of the the Plaza in Sonoma and I would have shot him if I found him on my property with that 'gun'. I am a veteran of much combat and my reflex would have over-ridden everything, just like those cops. I would not think twice about shooting him in the back.

[Link Speed]

35. Take a quarter-second and tell me which one is real

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20131023/articles/131029824

That kid lived in a tough neighborhood and surely knew better than to carry that thing outside. This is another sad story of a teenager doing something really foolish. Unfortunately, it ended badly.

[Archae]

36. Here's the "gun" the kid was carrying, (Hispanic BTW, not black,) and an AK47

No word yet from confirmed sources as to how many times the kid was shot.

Just a stupid act by a teenage kid, and it sounds like the cops there have a reputation for jumping the gun.

[FreakinDJ]

37. Cop walked over and unloaded 5 more bullets in him after the kid was down

No piss for you

You can't justify that

[Archae]

40. I (and you) can't confirm it either.

So far all I've seen of this "shooting him when he was down," was from a relative.

I'm going to wait until any of this is confirmed before I condemn the cops.

[FreakinDJ]

41. where did you get "Relative"

It was reported a neighbor across the street from where the shooting took place

[Link Speed]

42. Yep, I know that neighborhood

That kid was a fool for walking around with that AirSoft.