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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:37 PM Oct 2013

The U.S.-Saudi crackup reaches a dramatic tipping point

The strange thing about the crackup in U.S.-Saudi relations is that it has been on the way for more than two years, like a slow-motion car wreck, but nobody in Riyadh or Washington has done anything decisive to avert it.

The breach became dramatic over the past week. Last Friday, Saudi Arabia refused to take its seat on the United Nations Security Council, in what Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi intelligence chief, described as “a message for the U.S., not the U.N,” according to the Wall Street Journal. On Tuesday, Prince Turki al-Faisal, a former head of Saudi intelligence, voiced “a high level of disappointment in the U.S. government’s dealings” on Syria and the Palestinian issue, in an interview with Al-Monitor.

What should worry the Obama administration is that Saudi concern about U.S. policy in the Middle East is shared by the four other traditional U.S. allies in the region: Egypt, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Israel. They argue (mostly privately) that Obama has shredded U.S. influence by dumping President Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, backing the Muslim Brotherhood’s Mohamed Morsi, opposing the coup that toppled Morsi, vacillating in its Syria policy, and now embarking on negotiations with Iran — all without consulting close Arab allies.

Saudi King Abdullah privately voiced his frustration with U.S. policy in a lunch in Riyadh Monday with King Abdullah of Jordan and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed of the U.A.E., according to a knowledgeable Arab official. The Saudi monarch “is convinced the U.S. is unreliable,” this official said. “I don’t see a genuine desire to fix it” on either side, he added.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/10/23/the-u-s-saudi-crackup-hits-a-dramatic-tipping-point/
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The U.S.-Saudi crackup reaches a dramatic tipping point (Original Post) FarCenter Oct 2013 OP
Good riddance. Deep13 Oct 2013 #1
^^^This^^^ 1000words Oct 2013 #2
Good DJ13 Oct 2013 #3
The U.S. didn't support Morsi's election, they supported democracy, the will Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #4
Obama must be doing something right in ME policy at last!! nt kelliekat44 Oct 2013 #5
True; stay the hell out of the ME! FarCenter Oct 2013 #10
So can we now get serious about their role in 9/11? nt Bonobo Oct 2013 #6
That would be a good thing. They backed the Iraq War no doubt sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #7
They are not friends of this nation, they are users and liars. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #8
Obama was in an interesting position with Syria. The American people didn't want us to get involved. okaawhatever Oct 2013 #9

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
4. The U.S. didn't support Morsi's election, they supported democracy, the will
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:45 PM
Oct 2013

of the Eygptian People, it's too bad the Saudis can't tell the difference.



The bad feeling that developed after Mubarak’s ouster deepened month by month: The U.S. supported Morsi’s election as president; opposed a crackdown by the monarchy in Bahrain against Shiites protesters; cut aid to the Egyptian military after it toppled Morsi and crushed the Brotherhood; promised covert aid to the Syrian rebels it never delivered; threatened to bomb Syria and then allied with Russia, instead; and finally embarked on a diplomatic opening to Iran, Saudi Arabia’s deadly rival in the Gulf.



Thanks for the thread, FarCenter.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. That would be a good thing. They backed the Iraq War no doubt
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:58 PM
Oct 2013

thrilled that Bush protected them by lying about Iraq.

What a mess this whole thing is.

Egypt is in turmoil and I wouldn't be surprised if the Saudis were behind a lot of the turmoil there as we know they were in Syria.

Something is going right for a change if they are upset that all their work in Syria, arming the proxy armies and Al Queda eg, was for nothing.

If Obama got them this upset, he must be doing something right.

Seems they have behind a lot of things and got away with it until recently. Partly due to the emergence of the New Media who are not beholden to the Big Oil Cartels.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
8. They are not friends of this nation, they are users and liars.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:59 PM
Oct 2013

Fuck any asshole that calls himself a 'king'.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
9. Obama was in an interesting position with Syria. The American people didn't want us to get involved.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 12:11 AM
Oct 2013

The Republicans always criticize Obama's foreign policy, but they couldn't sway public opinion on that one. I wonder if the covert aid we promised Syria that didn't come could have been because of the Benghazi hearings and similar attacks by the gop? The Republicans used a covert operation they were fully aware of against Obama for political gold, is it any wonder he didn't want to try and covertly do anything anymore? (If the King's statement were true to begin with?)

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