Grayson Should Not Apologize. The Real Truth Is Worst Than He Told.

[TheMastersNemesis]

Dems lose because they won't take out the verbal brass knuckles. The GOP as well as the tea baggers are a religious white supremacist party bent on taking over the country for their ends.

[ReRe]

1. K&R

that's all I can say....

[Blue Owl]

2. Grayson's simply the messenger

The nation has spoken.

[Cleita]

3. That's what they are. They just aren't wearing the sheets

and pointy hats, or the other uniform, the black shirts with swastikas.

[DonCoquixote]

44. and the only reason they do not

is because the last time they did, the FBI got them. They are being sneaky this time, a true 5th column.

[KaryninMiami]

4. That's exactly how I see it

But I truly believe that part of the reason for the intensity of their craziness (like the John Birch Society on steroids), is their panic that they are a shrinking minority. On some level they HAVE to get that- and it terrifies them. President Obama was elected- twice for goodness sake (much to their horror). Marriage equality is a reality. And ultimately, no matter how hard they push, women's rights and their right to choose is never going away.

But Grayson is stating the truth about who these people are and need not apologize. It's time to call them out on who they really are.

Isn't it just great that he's back in Congress again? Go Grayson!

[BluegrassStateBlues]

5. It's a mistake for party leaders to attack him for this. nt

[TheMastersNemesis]

8. Dems Lose Because Of Their Cowardice.

Voters do not like cowards and too many Dems are cowards. The Dems have been on the run since Reagan. And Clinton went along enough with the GOP to do a lot of damage to Dems.

[enough]

9. Over and over. (nt)

You are so right. This is why I love Grayson.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

10. Yes. We are always losing opportunities to go for the jugular. nt

[SamYeager]

6. HE sould not apologize though I disagree with his rhetoric.

He said it. He must stand by it now.

[jimlup]

7. I partially agree...

These tea party racists are actually the useful idiots of elements of the ultra rich power structure in our country. I believe that the Frankenstein analogy is quite apt though. The monster is now beyond the control of its masters and creators.

But yeah absolutely - Grayson should not back down. The tea party is the klan in slightly modernized clothing.

[Missn-Hitch]

22. Love it...

".....slightly modernized clothing." I am stealing it.

[freshwest]

25. They haven't gotten out of hand at all. They are the next phrase of the operation.

Some people like the quote that you shouldn't assign evil motivations when it's likely stupidity. I can't even argue a lack of wisdom. For them, this is a wise strategy.

There is no lack of funding to buy intellectual power by the ultra rich. They own the think tanks, control many university voices, research, media and the MIC. They have no shortage of brains or organization.

Those who might easily pass for stupid, are just doing the coarser jobs for the whole. And every one gets paid, much more than the rest of us doing honest work.

[jimlup]

38. Actually I do think that their masters are concerned....

The mainstream "traditional" republican party is reeling and on their heels because of the tea-party bullshit. I think the masters are very concerned actually.

[freshwest]

40. The Koch brothers have tried to say they don't support shutdown and default.

Yet they are still funding the groups that do support it. Their philosophy has not changed.

They are still supporting ending regulation, taxes, voting rights, women's rights, public education, destruction of social security, the ACA, along with no gun or even heavier weaponry control.

They are intefering with the political process directly, and also profiting off the destruction of cities.

So we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Chief D]

11. Our Values!!!!!

Why is it not appropriate of Democrats touting their values, even if it has to be calling out the malignancy within our society. We've accepted that part of the republican schema is the ideal they represent certain values, that they claim are missing in society at-large. Most of us can name the "values" that they scream don't exist on the other side of the aisle, low taxes, belief in capitalism, makers vs takers, and taking their country back; and we all know whom they want to "take their country back" from.

From Wikepedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism

United States[edit]
Main article: Republicanism in the United States
Republicanism became the dominant political value of Americans during and after the American Revolution. The "Founding Fathers" were strong advocates of republican values, especially Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton.[14]

Well, it's time for US to start talking about our values, fairness, equality, supporting government programs that work and yes, STANDING AGAINST BIGOTRY, RACISM, SEXISM, HOMOPHOBIA, AND ANY "Ism" THAT EXIST IN OUR COUNTRY. We should be screaming to the hills, it's time that we take or country FORWARD!

[RobertEarl]

12. Welcome to DU Chief

You will find that pretty much anyone here who derides Grayson is just a troll. Best to just laugh at them as they slide by.

[pangaia]

20. That's it. That's our new slogan.

"Republicans want to take the country back. We Democrats want to take it FORWARD."
Pass it on.

[dhill926]

39. sounds like good framing to me.....

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

26. Well said Sir!

I'm with you.

[blue14u]

31. Welcome to DU

Chief D...

You will like it here ..Great post!!!

[CJCRANE]

47. "Republicanism" is a concept independent of the Republican party.

"Republicanism is the ideology of governing a society or state as a republic, where the head of state is appointed by means other than heredity, often through elections".

[Chief D]

49. Thanks for the clarification

Still, those who are AWARE get the point of my post.

[Initech]

13. The teabaggers aren't racist. They're um...

Oh fuck it who am I kidding? They're racists without robes!

[kydo]

14. k&r

[starroute]

15. Even if he was "wrong," we need people who will cross those lines

It keeps being pointed out that the Republicans make good use of their crazies to make the rest of the party seem moderate. (Or at least they did until the moderates decided to join them.) At the same time, the Democrats keep disavowing their crazies, or even semi-crazies, or not-really-crazy-but-just-telling-it-like-it-is-ers -- and this means the mainstream Democrats are left without any cover.

So even if you believe that Alan Grayson went too far (and I don't), you should still cherish him for his ability to move the Overton Window.

[Incitatus]

16. There's also the geryymandering bullshit.

Dems got more votes, but the Reps hold the House. It is the same in many state legislatures. There's got to be some solution to end that.

[Missn-Hitch]

23. This really annoys me.....

Solution: be in control of the legislature at time of next census. I think that is it, would like to hear from someone more acquainted with subject.

[blue14u]

32. While watching Tom Hartman

or Democracy Now, there was a guest on, someone

cited as knowing much on the subject of gerrymandering

and he said that is the key... The next census will be the time

for changing this BS and making it right.. I'm just upset

that we have to wait that long. Imagine the damage to be done

in the meantime..

[Missn-Hitch]

34. No doubt.

But, there is plenty to be optimistic about.

[blue14u]

35. Oh yes.. We are living

in the best of times and in some cases the worst of times..

I tend to lean toward the glass is half full, not half empty!!

[DeSwiss]

17. There are no apologies for holding up a mirror to the Baghead's faces.

- K&R

[brewens]

18. If I was in a bar and heard a bagger use the N-word referring to Obama, I'd probably

buy him a beer! Of course I'd be rubbing his nose in being a racist half-wit while doing so. I'd congratulate him on at least being honest enough to say it out loud.

[Puzzledtraveller]

19. *yawn*

yes, we know

[blackspade]

21. Thumbs up for Grayson!

[krispos42]

24. What else do you call people enthusiastically waving the Confederate flag BUT racists?

Until the Tea Party, the only people marching in public with Confederate flags were a) Civil War re-enactors, and b) racists (including but not limited to the Klan.

And since I saw a suspicious lack of butternut and Pattern 1853 Enfield muzzle-loading rifles on the TV, I'm guessing the ones waving the flags are racists.

[johnnyreb]

27. Fuck the Confederate flag-wavers.

My European immigrant grampappy always said he never saw so many people talk so much about a war they lost.

[Efilroft Sul]

30. Seriously. It's like the wobbly apologists here…

…forget who was waving the Confederate battle flag in front of a black family's residence in DC last week.

It was a not-so-subtle attempt at racial intimidation by Tea Party members. And they deserve to be called on the carpet for it just like the congressman did.

[Dustlawyer]

28. To get the poor whites to vote against their interests they have to use the Tea Party to

blow the racists dog whistle! They use the minorities to displace the anger from themselves. "It is the blacks and Hispanics that are making things tough for you!"

[ZomBoy]

29. I was always told to never apologize for saying the truth!!!!

Stand tall and proud!

[TheKentuckian]

33. Fuck no, he shouldn't. Fuck whoever is asking him to.

[frazzled]

36. He shouldn't apologize; he should discontinue the email.

I hate to be the party pooper of the thread, but I'm just not of the "brass knuckles" crowd. And frankly, neither is most of America. Neither are the majority of Democrats.

Alan Grayson can send you this email because you will cheer when you see him not just explain how the Tea Party's actions have been overtly or covertly racist (lots of Democratic politicians have been saying this) but go totally over the top with Klan images and burning crosses. Hey, you might send money.

And that's the problem: these are the kinds of slash and burn, attention-grabbing, broad-brush shock tactics the Tea Partiers use. And if we start using them, we'll be getting 26% favorability ratings, too.

That is my position and I'm sticking to it. It doesn't mean I think the Tea Party is any less guilty of certain types of racism that you do (though I wouldn't equate some yahoos at a rally with every politician or even supporter). I just think we need to be better than them. And I think we have important things to do, more important than whupping up the base with red meat.

Governance is not a game, or a wrestling match, or an occasion for brass knuckles.

[leftynyc]

46. If he truly believes what he wrote

then he should not apologize. I still maintain his email is not helpful to us as a party at all and anyone who wants to call me a troll for saying that can shove it up their ass. Comparing some schmuck waving a confederate flag to a sitting member of congress is ridiculous.

[QuestForSense]

37. The truth is the only thing that hurts.

These Tea Baggers live in a foggy world of wishful thinking. They absolutely cannot handle the Truth, which is their Achilles Heel. I say stomp on it a little. They need to wake up anyway. Reality isn't going away.

[JustAnotherGen]

41. Snips from the KKK wiki page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

The First Klan
*The first Klan was founded in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, by six veterans of the Confederate Army.
*In 1874 and later, however, newly organized and openly active paramilitary organizations, such as the White League and the Red Shirts, started a fresh round of violence aimed at suppressing blacks' voting and running Republicans out of office. These contributed to segregationist white Democrats regaining political power in all the Southern states by 1877.


Today: Same as it ever was.

Second KKK
In 1915, the second Klan was founded in Atlanta, Georgia. Starting in 1921, it adopted a modern business system of recruiting (which paid most of the initiation fee and costume charges as commissions to the organizers) and grew rapidly nationwide at a time of prosperity. Reflecting the social tensions of urban industrialization and vastly increased immigration, its membership grew most rapidly in cities, and spread out of the South to the Midwest and West. The second KKK preached "One Hundred Percent Americanism" and demanded the purification of politics, calling for strict morality and better enforcement of prohibition. Its official rhetoric focused on the threat of the Catholic Church, using anti-Catholicism and nativism.[4] Its appeal was directed exclusively at white Protestants.[20] Some local groups took part in attacks on private houses and carried out other violent activities. The violent episodes were generally in the South.[21]


Today: Same as it ever was. Replace Catholic with Muslim. It's appeal is with White Protestants. Anti Immigration. Look at the Midwest and West note - same as it ever was.


Third KKK
*The "Ku Klux Klan" name was used by a numerous independent local groups opposing the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation, especially in the 1950s and 1960s.
*During this period, they often forged alliances with Southern police departments, as in Birmingham, Alabama; or with governor's offices, as with George Wallace of Alabama


Today: Scott Walker and Rick Perry play right to these fears. Voting rights, women's rights etc etc - these are things the Republican party hates. And it's not the leadership it's the idiots that vote for them and egg them on.

[DLevine]

42. Could not agree more. K&R. nt

[B Calm]

43. Republicans whine about everything. . .

[grahamhgreen]

45. "the Tea Party is no more popular than the Klan" is just a fact.

Right?

[Thucydides]

48. My take on the the teabaggers, it is self explanatory....

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