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Poachers kill 300 Zimbabwe elephants with cyanide (Original Post) Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 OP
I think I'm going to be sick. cali Oct 2013 #1
There's not a hell horrible enough for these fuckers... joeybee12 Oct 2013 #2
OMFG malaise Oct 2013 #3
I'm outraged and speechless SummerSnow Oct 2013 #4
I hope they find the perps and execute them. Owl Oct 2013 #5
I was a Game Warden in Kenya for six months. oneshooter Oct 2013 #6
How do we eliminate demand? Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #7
To be painfully honest with you oneshooter Oct 2013 #8
Strengthening CITES might be a good first step Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #10
End the legal ivory trade. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #11
Seriously? flvegan Oct 2013 #12
That doesn't really solve the systemic problem. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #14
there should be no such thing .. Duppers Oct 2013 #15
flvegan's Blackwater is just one Powerball win or serious donor away. flvegan Oct 2013 #9
Just what I was thinking. cliffordu Oct 2013 #13
The reason that I am no longer working in Kenya oneshooter Oct 2013 #19
+1000 a la izquierda Oct 2013 #17
You know, I can't disagree ... Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #18
What a shame the animals have to pay for someone's greed. Judi Lynn Oct 2013 #16
The rage, pain and absolute horror I feel right now is beyond description. MoonRiver Oct 2013 #20
I am absolutely fucking livid right now derby378 Oct 2013 #21
I just went off on a rant to my husband about this. MoonRiver Oct 2013 #22
Me too. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #23
Obama is actually lending surveillance drones to some African countries undeterred Oct 2013 #24

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
6. I was a Game Warden in Kenya for six months.
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 06:27 PM
Oct 2013

I had three Matabele Zulu and three Maasai trackers. We would track from the ground after cutting the spoor from the air. They never did like flying, almost kissed the ground when we landed. We would track them and try to arrest them, they almost always fought. The poachers knew what lay in store for them if they surrendered. Kenyan prisons are not near as nice as American ones.

As long as the Asian market exists for elephant ivory and rhino horn there will be poachers willing to risk it all to sell to them. I really don't know of any way to fully stop the poaching. An honest goverment and a shit pot of money would be a big help.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
11. End the legal ivory trade.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:00 AM
Oct 2013

Right now it's easy to gin up some paperwork that says a shipment comes from legal stocks.

flvegan

(64,412 posts)
12. Seriously?
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:09 AM
Oct 2013

Did you see "flvegan's Blackwater..." post below?

"Legal", illegal...fuck them. You poach, you die. Next? What?

I'm totally getting a talking to here.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
14. That doesn't really solve the systemic problem.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:21 AM
Oct 2013

I neglected to say that some demand reduction via education could also be very helpful, especially if reigious leaders could be brought on board (a tremendous share of ivory products are religious symbols and statuary.) Im normally cynical about that sort of thing, as you know, but news of the dramatic reduction in shark fin sales in China after a concerted public education campaign have shifted my opinion slightly.

To the significant extent that front line poachers are desparate and desparate people are in nearly infinite supply, going after the buyers, smugglers and craftspeople all make more sense in the long run. But the end goal has to be the elimination of the market via education and the end of the smuggling and laundering of the illegal ivory via a loophole free ban and the end of legal ivory schemes.

Wait, am I being the less radical one? I'll go check my temperature.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
15. there should be no such thing ..
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 05:06 AM
Oct 2013

As "legal stock"!

Put birth control in human drinking water there.

Kicking this thread.

flvegan

(64,412 posts)
9. flvegan's Blackwater is just one Powerball win or serious donor away.
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 11:24 PM
Oct 2013

In 12 months, no more asshole human poachers. Too dead, or too afraid to be dead.

Poachers...Go fuck yourself.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
13. Just what I was thinking.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:12 AM
Oct 2013

Loads of dudes out there with heavy tracking and ambush skills.
Always leave one alive to tell his buddies.
Kinda like Kaizer Soze

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
19. The reason that I am no longer working in Kenya
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 06:23 PM
Oct 2013

is that the government decided that a white Ranger shooting black poachers is not "proper", as they put it. I was given a months pay in leu of notice.

The money made travels up to the Ministry level, and there is a lot of it.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
18. You know, I can't disagree ...
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 08:26 AM
Oct 2013

And it is self-defense. They are killing off an entire species, which of course could have ripple effects.



Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
16. What a shame the animals have to pay for someone's greed.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 05:14 AM
Oct 2013

The people harboring the lethal weakness for ivory should have to pay the price themselves for their moral depravity.

NOTHING taken at this expense should be honored anywhere.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
20. The rage, pain and absolute horror I feel right now is beyond description.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:26 PM
Oct 2013

I could type every smilie available and it wouldn't even begin to express what is going on in my mind and heart. Shoot every poacher on sight is one fairly easy solution. More control on how ivory is transported is another. Put some kind of screws to the Chinese who buy this stuff is another.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
22. I just went off on a rant to my husband about this.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:44 PM
Oct 2013

He understands but we're all so f'n helpless to do anything!!

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
24. Obama is actually lending surveillance drones to some African countries
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:44 PM
Oct 2013

to aid in protecting rhinos and elephants. The drones can see everywhere.

But cutting off demand, and illegalizing transport are important too.

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