You know the funniest thing about the Obamacare site glitches?

[ehrnst]

[hedgehog]

1. Kick!

[ffr]

2. K&R. Keep pointing that out!

It never gets old. Republicons are great a getting elected, but terrible at governing. Unless you like dysfunction.

[WillyT]

3. K & R !!!

[sheshe2]

4. Kick! n/t

[Rex]

5. Yeah how about Foxnews discuss the 24 billion dollar shutdown by the Tea Party?

I want the money back! Fucking terrorists!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

6. Snap

That's going to leave a mark

[SoapBox]

7. Hilarious!

Good thing to point out to Krazy Cruz and Grampy McCain.

[dchill]

8. K & R!

[DallasNE]

9. Since This Work Was Contracted Out

Who pays for fixing the code that doesn't match the specs? I'm sure if there were significant late changes in the requirements it will be the government but I have heard that it was barely beta tested so where does that responsibility lie.

By the way, that "computer expert" that looked at about 25 lines of code and declared how terrible it was written doesn't know what he is talking about since there are probably about 80,000 lines of code involved. That is not to say that I vouch for the code -- just that only a fool would say such a think based on such scant evidence. Lastly, using 1990's technology is not necessarily bad because it is mature. There is an old saying in IT that you don't want to be on the bleeding edge. The critics have provided no specifics on what exactly is wrong or whether it is just the typical tight timeline's that lead to code that is a little rough on the edges.

[Live and Learn]

11. +1 Although I am quite certain CGI will find a way to claim

it was somehow the government's fault (out of scope, change request needed, etc.). These private contractors are experts at charging government agencies more.

[annabanana]

14. Correct, but not "punchy" enough to push back against CorpoMedia spin...

pass that pic around!

[grahamhgreen]

22. Looks like contractors ripping us off to me... Privateers ho!

[Posteritatis]

37. The company's a known quantity in that sense

They aren't known as a shining bastion of competence on this side of the border either; everyone's basically going "WTF? You couldn't find anyone better?"

[Cha]

10. Teach It, John!

thanks ehrnst!

[flamingdem]

12. ya got dat right!

[annabanana]

13. kicked/ rec'd/ tweeted/ facebooked/ emailed !!!

(How to push back against today's favorite CorpoMedia talking point!)

[MichaelKelley]

15. NO

No, I did not know that and expecting you to explain in detail. I do not think that anything is funny here all politicians are doing whatever they want to do to become popular and win the next election.

[ehrnst]

18. The GOP Shutdown cost the taxpayers 24 billion. (nt)

[TxDemChem]

16. Wow, keepin it real!

[FailureToCommunicate]

17. So true. And we'd like it BACK please.

All $24 (plus) Billion...

[tavernier]

19. If the Dems were smart this would be a TV ad

Played over and over and over

[HoosierCowboy]

20. GOP Noise Machine still Amping up non existent issues.

At the local high school on Tuesday night 6 enrollers got 84 families signed up for ACA. It took 2 hours with a half hour presentation.No glitches.
This morning the SeeBS morning news rattled on about how the system had already under gone a total collapse. after 1 minute of listening to what is obviously MSM BS , I did the right thing, I turned it off.
ACA is working but is still prone to GIGO, with a trained enroller there should be no problems.

As for the SeeBS Morning News, there's no hope. The continuous spewing of corporate chaff is incurable.

Do the right thing, turn off your television and keep it off.

[Scurrilous]

21. K & R

[BlueStreak]

23. This "$4 Billion" meme is bullshit. It makes us all look stupid

It was $24 billion in GDP impact (and theoretical at that), not $24B in cost to the taxpayers or $24 cost to the government.

Everybody is out there with this bullshit: Stephanie Miller, Ed Shultz, the whole gang. And it shows either the most basic lack of understanding or else that we are just as deceptive with the facts as the right wing. It isn't doing us any favors.

It arguably could have been $1Bn - $2Bn in extra cost to the taxpayers / loss of tax revenues. And that is bad enough. We don't need to throw out bullshit numbers. Stick with the facts.

[PotatoChip]

24. I've never seen or heard of the GDP qualifier.

Must have missed it somehow.

Do you have a link?

[BlueStreak]

28. My point exactly. You have not heard that because Dems are out there misrepresenting facts

The mainstream media is actually reporting this fairly accurately. For example:

http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/17/heres-what-the-government-shutdown-cost-the-economy/

"... took $24 billion out of the U.S. economy, and reduced projected fourth-quarter GDP growth from 3 percent to 2.4 percent."

That is not the same thing as "costing taxpayers $24 billion" -- not by a long shot

They broke this down as:

About $3.1 billion in lost government services, according to the research firm IHS
$152 million per day in lost travel spending, according to the U.S. Travel Association
$76 million per day lost because of National Parks being shut down, according to the National Park Service
$217 million per day in lost federal and contractor wages in the Washington D.C. metropolitan area alone

The $3.1 Bn is bogus because most of those services will happen -- they were just delayed. The travel spending and contractor wages are real issues. But the only thing the "taxpayers" lost were the taxes on that activity, which probably falls into the $1-$2 bn range.

[DallasNE]

25. You Are The First Person I've Seen That Was Confused

By what the $24B was. Nobody has claimed that this was anything other than money taken out of the economy and an estimate at that.

[BlueStreak]

26. No. I am not confused. I know the difference between loss of economic activity

and "cost to the American taxpayer."

If you don't understand that difference, then you are the one who is confused.

[DallasNE]

33. I'm Saying That Your Strawman

Is the only reference to the shutdown costing the American taxpayers $24B. Sure you bat it down but that is the sole purpose of a strawman. Now you are calling me stupid and confused. No I am not, I'm calling you out for being misleading by using a strawman argument. Reread my earlier post and show me where this alleged confusion comes into play. And show me a link to where Ed Schultz or anyone else claims this has cost the government (taxpayer) $24B because I sure haven't seen it. Every reference I have seen speaks in terms of estimated costs to the economy and more specifically a .6% reduction in 4th qtr GDP.

[BlueStreak]

34. Go look at the gtraphic in the OP. That is LITERALLY what it says, word for word.

If that is too hard to manage, I'll repeat it here for you.

"You know the funniest thing about the Obamacare site glitches? That they didn't cost the AMERICAN TAXPAYERS $24 Billion."

Now go look up what a straw man argument is. That involves a person misrepresenting a position attributed to another. I did exactly the opposite. I commented precisely on what was said, word-for-word in the OP graphic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[DallasNE]

36. I Read That In The Context Of Republican Charges Being Throwing Back In Their Face Using

The Republicans own language. http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2013/10/14/obamacare-will-wreck-u-s-taxpayers-so-heres-another-plan/

So I tied the "American taxpayer" comment back to Republican charges that Obamacare will wreck U S taxpayers with the web site glitch as more proof of that. I had to reread the statement to see where someone could have read into it "cost the American taxpayer $24b (like the government shutdown did)". So which definition did the author intend?

[Stargazer99]

29. Does anyone smell a con in here?

[Stargazer99]

27. The company that created the site gave more money to Republicans than Demos

I think some computer experts ought to go into the coding and check to see if there wasn't something fishy going on
and if found make it a federal offense with jail time.

[lark]

32. Something to consider

When Bush became president he fired every democratic appointee and put Repugs in their palce. At the end of his term, he put a lot of those ee into non-political jobs, basically embedded them. Obama did nothing to ferret them out, as should have been done. So, now, a lot of the government is being run by these Repugs who were put there to disrupt his admin. Is there any wonder there are glitches with the program?

[hedgehog]

30. kick!

[Pryderi]

31. It wouldn't surprise me if the Heritage Foundation is

trying to hack the site.

[juajen]

35. Hope they are checking carefully for republican-made glitches.

Of course, I realize that something this huge, would have snags.