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kpete

(72,022 posts)
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:42 AM Oct 2013

Elizabeth Warren (once again) speaks for me: "So I'm Relieved, But I'm Also Pretty Angry"

I'm glad that the government shutdown has ended, and I'm relieved that we didn't default on our debt.
But I want to be clear: I am NOT celebrating tonight.

Yes, we prevented an economic catastrophe that would have put a huge hole in our fragile economic recovery. But the reason we were in this mess in the first place is that a reckless faction in Congress took the government and the economy hostage for no good purpose and to no productive end.

According to the S&P index, the government shutdown had delivered a powerful blow to the U.S. economy. By their estimates, $24 billion has been flushed down the drain for a completely unnecessary political stunt.

$24 billion dollars. How many children could have been back in Head Start classes? How many seniors could have had a hot lunch through Meals on Wheels? How many scientists could have gotten their research funded? How many bridges could have been repaired and trains upgraded?

The Republicans keep saying, "Leave the sequester in place and cut all those budgets." They keep trying to cut funding for the things that would help us build a future. But they are ready to flush away $24 billion on a political stunt.

So I'm relieved, but I'm also pretty angry.

We have serious problems that need to be fixed, and we have hard choices to make about taxes and spending. I hope we never see our country flush money away like this again. Not ever.

It's time for the hostage taking to end. It's time for every one of us to say, "No more."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/elizabeth-warren-government-shutdown_n_4114818.html
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Elizabeth Warren (once again) speaks for me: "So I'm Relieved, But I'm Also Pretty Angry" (Original Post) kpete Oct 2013 OP
And my love for her only gets stronger. bullwinkle428 Oct 2013 #1
I don't have a problem with these expressions treestar Oct 2013 #24
When someone posts a 20 pic spread of Warren in a swim suit you'll have a point. last1standing Oct 2013 #52
ROTFLMAO. truedelphi Oct 2013 #59
I've never seen that alleged post treestar Oct 2013 #60
LOL! Then you've never been to the BOG. last1standing Oct 2013 #61
So the love for Warren is just the same treestar Oct 2013 #64
Again, when we see a group dedicated to pics of Warren fistbumping I'll have to agree with you. last1standing Oct 2013 #65
I love Senator Warren MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #2
Except ... another "I love Senator Warren"!!! calimary Oct 2013 #35
As long as they are the right sort of woman....... llmart Oct 2013 #48
True enough, llmart! And as far as I recall, michele bachmann was NOT one of those women calimary Oct 2013 #53
Kick for my favorite Senator! Scuba Oct 2013 #3
And if you do, stay true to your convictions! DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #74
k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #4
iirc, in 2006 first-term Senator Obama was denying any interest in a White House run. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #5
A first term Senator Obama wasn't 64 years old with an undefined national profile, either. MADem Oct 2013 #16
I admire senator Warren and would love to see her run for president BUT... PATXgirl Oct 2013 #21
She is a valuable public servant klook Oct 2013 #32
She doesn't look it, does she? MADem Oct 2013 #34
k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #6
U.S. Senator Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) released the following statement ctsnowman Oct 2013 #7
Well said. efhmc Oct 2013 #31
I not sure the teabaggers DO know they can't win political fights by threatening to shut down the calimary Oct 2013 #36
I agree ctsnowman Oct 2013 #41
Murphy was very good during the crisis flamingdem Oct 2013 #37
K and R for truth and reason. nt brer cat Oct 2013 #8
exactly what I was thinking this morning. not celebrating. magical thyme Oct 2013 #9
I love this woman. liberalmuse Oct 2013 #10
this!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #11
It's time to end the abuse of the filibuster. gtar100 Oct 2013 #12
The abuse is that Harry Reid does not require actual fillibusters. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #27
Agreed. That is the most despicable thing about what they call a filibuster today. gtar100 Oct 2013 #68
And then what happens if the GOP becomes the Senate majority? 7962 Oct 2013 #57
Sadly, that is the quandary. The abuse, however, seems to outweigh what good it might do. gtar100 Oct 2013 #67
Weird... whttevrr Oct 2013 #13
No more extortion. No more hostage-taking. No more econo-terrorist Republicans. No more! nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #14
Legislate that CRs & debt ceilings bills can ONLY be clean & any member can move one. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #15
absolutely K&R yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #17
She does that. Speaks for the people. Jakes Progress Oct 2013 #18
That woman is gonna be a star.... nt Adrahil Oct 2013 #19
Welcome to DU, Adrahil! calimary Oct 2013 #38
She already is. spooky3 Oct 2013 #43
I hope so-- she tells it like it is-- how refreshing!!! ailsagirl Oct 2013 #77
Exactly. Dems keep putting out the fires...we should all be pissed at the arsonists. nt wiggs Oct 2013 #20
I think we should all piss ON the arsonists!! lastlib Oct 2013 #33
I may also shit on one or two of 'em... calimary Oct 2013 #39
I concur. The brats cost us a lot. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #22
+1000 noiretextatique Oct 2013 #45
Raise the CAP? That is a great idea. bvar22 Oct 2013 #49
I don't have any reps or Seantors who listen to me. truedelphi Oct 2013 #58
I agree with that treestar Oct 2013 #23
And me as well. ffr Oct 2013 #25
Awesome thread dsteve01 Oct 2013 #26
Well said Madam Senator. blackspade Oct 2013 #28
Hell ya...... daleanime Oct 2013 #29
I love her. She reminds me of young Obama I first spotted at the DNC years ago. eom yeswecanandwedid Oct 2013 #30
K & R Liberal_Dog Oct 2013 #40
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #42
K&R! G_j Oct 2013 #44
I'm angry, no pist, that McConnell was able to extract a $2 billion ransom and only God knows how indepat Oct 2013 #46
Elizabeth Warren in 2016. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #47
The more she says, the more I like her. Let us hope it continues. Paper Roses Oct 2013 #50
Welcome to the supposedly high minded Senate tavalon Oct 2013 #51
K&R Solly Mack Oct 2013 #54
SHE kicks ass kwolf68 Oct 2013 #55
the cheap political stunt party! Divine Discontent Oct 2013 #56
She's the best thing along with Angus King that has happened to Washington in decades! BREMPRO Oct 2013 #62
Love Love Love Her!!! blue14u Oct 2013 #63
K&R DeSwiss Oct 2013 #66
Enough money to fund "food stamps", right? King_Klonopin Oct 2013 #69
Elizabeth Warren is a leader polynomial Oct 2013 #70
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #71
"Hard choices to make about taxes and spending" harun Oct 2013 #72
I so want her to be our first woman President. Cleita Oct 2013 #73
Me too-- that would be fantastic!!! ailsagirl Oct 2013 #78
K & R Quantess Oct 2013 #75
She is so RIGHT ON!!!! ailsagirl Oct 2013 #76

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. I don't have a problem with these expressions
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:12 AM
Oct 2013

But hope they don't come from the same people who make fun of the BOG. It seems to me to be much the same thing, just directed at a different person.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
61. LOL! Then you've never been to the BOG.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 06:31 PM
Oct 2013

Everyday they post fawning pictorials of Obama's dog, his fistbumps, hugs, meme posters, swimming sessions, family, etc... Of course you know this since you're here trying to make some false equivalence between an enthusiastic (if slightly hyperbolic) statement of support and a somewhat disturbing need to photoblog the first family's every move and then gush over them.

I don't normally care about what BOGgers do, but when they crawl out of their lair to project their obsessive behaviors onto others, I'm going to call it out for what it is.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
64. So the love for Warren is just the same
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:23 PM
Oct 2013

Don't try to pretend it is not the same thing.

True you can't have bathing suit pics of her, but that's due to sexism.

Still, the fawning adulation means those people cannot talk about the BOG.

She speaks for me? I love her? Please, that is the same thing.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
65. Again, when we see a group dedicated to pics of Warren fistbumping I'll have to agree with you.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:40 PM
Oct 2013

And if I ever see that I will definitely be just as nauseated as I am when one of those photo love-fests reaches GD. However, saying "I love Warren" isn't quite the same thing.

I love tomato Kibbeh but I don't idolize it or post daily photo blogs of it from different restaurants beside various condiments.

calimary

(81,507 posts)
35. Except ... another "I love Senator Warren"!!!
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:39 PM
Oct 2013

We have Barbara Boxer on our end - to make us proud, here in California. Dianne Feinstein - meh - sometimes.

But THANK GOD we have Elizabeth Warren, too! Hmmm - all of these are women. Funny, I'm thinking of the point they were making on MSNBC a few minutes ago - this "gang of eight" or "gang of six" or whatever they were - in the House and Senate, who got together to work through some of these problems that came to a head yesterday. Funny. They were all female. From Debbie Wasserman Schultz to Kelly Ayotte.

Maybe it's symbolic - that it IS time for women to start taking over and dealing with the big stuff. Those who will be putting on the "big-boy pants" and really getting things done for our nation in the future will likely be those wearing skirts and traveling pantsuits.

llmart

(15,555 posts)
48. As long as they are the right sort of woman.......
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 02:22 PM
Oct 2013

because we've seen the other side of that; i.e. Palin and Bachmann. They are NOT what we want representing our sex.

I do wholeheartedly agree that we need at least 50% of the House and Senate to be women. We are not fully represented yet. I so want to see this happen in my lifetime, but I'm not optimistic.

calimary

(81,507 posts)
53. True enough, llmart! And as far as I recall, michele bachmann was NOT one of those women
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 03:02 PM
Oct 2013

in that gang-of-eight, or gang-of-six, or whatever. Heidi Heitkamp was. Susan Collins was. Debbie was. Patty Murray was. Kelly Ayotte was. Trying to think of the others. michele bachmann couldn't even begin to hold their hand towels in the ladies' room. And as for palin - she gets no mention because she's not in Congress or the Senate despite her presumptions of being Goddess of them all. She's not even worthy of applying for a job as a ladies' room attendant. The very idea is an affront to all the women who work jobs like that, and do a probably emotionally-difficult and not-much-respected job like that with a hell of a lot of dignity. michele bachmann and sarah palin are not worthy even to empty their wastebaskets.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
5. iirc, in 2006 first-term Senator Obama was denying any interest in a White House run.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:55 AM
Oct 2013

As Twain said, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. A first term Senator Obama wasn't 64 years old with an undefined national profile, either.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:55 AM
Oct 2013

I wish people would stop trying to steal my Senator, frankly. She's in a position where she can do the most good for the nation on a topic where she has a great deal of expertise. Further, poor MA has had more than a half dozen Senators in recent years (Kennedy, Kerry, Kirk, Cowan, Brown, Warren, Markey) and our delegation is not unknown for its contributions to the upper chamber down the years. It would be nice if we could get back to some predictability in representation.

PATXgirl

(192 posts)
21. I admire senator Warren and would love to see her run for president BUT...
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:06 AM
Oct 2013

After the past two weeks, like you MADem, I think her common sense and wisdom is needed much more in Congress.

klook

(12,169 posts)
32. She is a valuable public servant
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:21 PM
Oct 2013

and I'm very glad to have her voice in the Senate. I'd be perfectly happy to see her become the next Lion(ess) of the Senate from your great state and have many years of productive service.

(Also, as an aside: Good grief - Sen. Warren is 64?? I want what she's having. I really never thought much about her age, but just assumed she was in her early 50s, if that old.)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. She doesn't look it, does she?
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:27 PM
Oct 2013

She's got some of that youthful genetic code, but she was born June 22, 1949. I don't think she's gone the plastic surgery route, either--she's just lucky, I think.

ctsnowman

(1,903 posts)
7. U.S. Senator Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) released the following statement
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:05 AM
Oct 2013

Snip

But this deal should be no cause for celebration - keeping the door of government open and paying bills should be a basic expectation of Congress and my hope is that this is the last time Congress plays games with the American economy in such a reckless manner. The one paper thin silver lining to this deal is that the Tea Party now knows that they cannot win political fights by threatening to shut down the government or default on American debt. Hopefully, House Republicans have learned their lesson.

Members of Congress are elected to solve big problems in order to make our country stronger and more prosperous. It is time for Congress to break this cycle of totally avoidable, totally manufactured crises and get back to doing its job. I’ll do my part to ensure that happens for Connecticut and for the good of our country.

Chris has got Warren's flank down here.

calimary

(81,507 posts)
36. I not sure the teabaggers DO know they can't win political fights by threatening to shut down the
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:45 PM
Oct 2013

government. I think with people like ted cruz still "alive and kickin'" and egging them on, they'll never learn that lesson. Assholes like him are there to divide and conquer and raise money for himself and his ambitions, either as a future king or barring that (and NOPE, he will NEVER get that far!), then a king-maker. I think the takeaway for the teabaggers is - "we didn't push it to the limit. We didn't go all the way, dammit. Well, 90 days! Let's go! You'll see, next time! We'll 'git-'er-dunnn' next time!"

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
12. It's time to end the abuse of the filibuster.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:19 AM
Oct 2013

Things would never have gotten this far if the repugs didn't abuse the filibuster rules. It emboldened them to use such subversive tactics, to overcome the will of the majority. As important a tool as the filibuster is, like all things in life, because they abuse the privilege, they should lose it. Republican irresponsibility needs to be stopped.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
27. The abuse is that Harry Reid does not require actual fillibusters.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:38 AM
Oct 2013

If he were to order the business of the Senate to proceed if Republicans were not actually speaking on the floor, the business of the Senate could continue.

It's Kabuki Theater.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
68. Agreed. That is the most despicable thing about what they call a filibuster today.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:44 AM
Oct 2013

It's foolishness that is hurting a lot of people. Harry Reid has handled this aspect of the Senate very poorly.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
57. And then what happens if the GOP becomes the Senate majority?
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 03:41 PM
Oct 2013

Then the Democrats have just done away with THEIR filibuster ability as well.
Then again, maybe it should go away for both parties. If you dont control the majority, tough.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
67. Sadly, that is the quandary. The abuse, however, seems to outweigh what good it might do.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:40 AM
Oct 2013

So it's not a "win" if it was scrapped but at least we might be able to get something done with it out of the way. Frankly, I haven't heard of any cases in which the Dems used it to stop the disgusting legislation that repugs shovel at us. So it's not like we'd be giving up a tool that's used much.

whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
13. Weird...
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:23 AM
Oct 2013

I can hear her voice in those words.

She should be on the budget negotiating team. We need more like her in congress and the senate.

I hope Grimes wins Kentucky... I think her and Warren would make a good team.

calimary

(81,507 posts)
38. Welcome to DU, Adrahil!
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:49 PM
Oct 2013

Glad you're here! That woman already is a star! Gonna be a bigger one as time goes on, whether she ever runs for anything higher, or stays where she is as Senior Senator from Massachusetts, she's gonna have a greater and greater impact. As things evolve, and the teabaggers become further marginalized (as I hope we're seeing now), there will be fewer ted cruzes and more who are like Elizabeth Warren. Maybe not many more, but more.

CrispyQ

(36,526 posts)
22. I concur. The brats cost us a lot.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:09 AM
Oct 2013

I'm using an excerpt of her speech in a letter to my Congresspersons. My new focus is this:

RAISE THE CAP ON SS & EXTEND MEDICARE TO 55!!


I'm going to bombard my Congresspersons with this message the next few weeks. We all should.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
58. I don't have any reps or Seantors who listen to me.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 04:13 PM
Oct 2013

But I encourage anyone whose reps and Senators do occasionally act like the Democrats of old, to go all out and let them know how you feel.

ffr

(22,672 posts)
25. And me as well.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:32 AM
Oct 2013

Keep your anger fresh and let it burn, so when it's time to put in the tedious hard work of registering and getting voters to the polls in 2014, we can all reap some satisfaction from tossing the bums out.

dsteve01

(312 posts)
26. Awesome thread
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:36 AM
Oct 2013

Warren pretty much takes the cake. She is able to juxtapose Republican failures with . . . Republican failures. I mean the lady is a modern marvel. It's like she's the weather reporter from Sunny Side who who also covers the blizzards on Bullshit mountain as well.

Point is this: she's running for prez., right?

indepat

(20,899 posts)
46. I'm angry, no pist, that McConnell was able to extract a $2 billion ransom and only God knows how
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:43 PM
Oct 2013

much more ransom was extracted in side deals.

Paper Roses

(7,475 posts)
50. The more she says, the more I like her. Let us hope it continues.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 02:42 PM
Oct 2013

As a senior, I live in fear that our SS and Medicare will be cut. Of course, I am also concerned for those less fortunate than I.

If we go thru this again in 3 months, I think I will scream. I am too old to fight this same battle again and again.

Cut our SS and Medicare? I will be 'down the tubes', as the phrase goes. I, like millions like me, are on the brink of disaster. We'll be on the street if they cut SS and Medicare.

There are millions of cases like mine. We go to bed at night afraid of what we will hear in the morning.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
51. Welcome to the supposedly high minded Senate
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 02:50 PM
Oct 2013

It's hard to realize you work with a bunch of toddlers up past their bedtimes. You are a great Senator. Unfortunately, you are a rarity among an increasingly embarrassing part of our government.

BREMPRO

(2,331 posts)
62. She's the best thing along with Angus King that has happened to Washington in decades!
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 07:53 PM
Oct 2013

always seems to put things clearly in context and sharp focus with an honesty, integrity and genuine concern and advocacy for the people... and not afraid of a fight or stand up to power... she's a gem!

blue14u

(575 posts)
63. Love Love Love Her!!!
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 08:02 PM
Oct 2013

@016 Elizabeth Warren President of the USA!!!!

Oh.... it makes me smile to type that!!!!





 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
66. K&R
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:11 AM
Oct 2013
''You can make a government look broken when you break it. You can make the government look incompetent and paralyzed when you paralyze it with your own incompetence. But sooner or later, the government will reopen and it is you – that faction within a fading party – who will be shut down.'' ~Elizabeth Warren

King_Klonopin

(1,307 posts)
69. Enough money to fund "food stamps", right?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 02:39 AM
Oct 2013

Just illustrates how full of shit they are regarding govt waste and cutting spending.

polynomial

(750 posts)
70. Elizabeth Warren is a leader
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:55 AM
Oct 2013

showing the ability to dig deep to find the problem identify it and present a cure for those Republican’s having poor behaviors, attitudes, and reckless political judgment.

It is an extraordinary experience in that the minority poor are relentlessly trying to get through obstacles to better their lives while America watches Republican’s offering abysmally poor leadership reflected in the action to stymie service and representation. All this done so incredibly bad it appears criminal invoking future investigations that resulted in profiteering at the expense of the public.

Then in an insulting way thinking or behaving that comes from believing that they, Republicans are better yet produce waste, cause strife to the tune of twenty four billion dollars in just two weeks. This is really showing that the current Republican party are very politically trendy in errors were America should take a closer look at any legislation done during the Republican watch.

What jumps out at me is

“$24 billion dollars. How many children could have been back in Head Start classes? How many seniors could have had a hot lunch through Meals on Wheels? How many scientists could have gotten their research funded? How many bridges could have been repaired and trains upgraded?”

Trains upgraded! The railroads for passengers, and freight are a good example to upgrade. A friend of mine that is an engineer for a major railroad a western grid knows the railroads are like the utilities. The railroad only makes an investment after a major break down. Moreover, the preventive maintenance is so poor and failing many of the engines for years use duct tape to hold electrical safety panels together. Besides railroad management teams hide or ditch on the job injuries to avoid paying crew recovery benefits.

The America passenger train service is known to be very behind compared to Europe. The European continent seems incredibly efficient to go between countries where as America has only developed distrust especially to our neighbors to the south. It was always a dream for me to be able to take a safe vacation train ride all the way to Chile to explore Easter Island.

harun

(11,348 posts)
72. "Hard choices to make about taxes and spending"
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:26 AM
Oct 2013

I hope this isn't code for what I think it is. If it was from anyone besides her I would know exactly what this means. Surprised to see it from her though.

ailsagirl

(22,899 posts)
76. She is so RIGHT ON!!!!
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 01:11 AM
Oct 2013

I'm so glad she's a senator... now what's this I hear about her running for president?
She'd sure have my vote.

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