Tea Party Won This Battle

[RobertEarl]

They shut down the government.

Paychecks stopped. Employees sent home.

They will pay no price for what they did.

And they will be making another mess before long.

They will not stop until such time as they are a real minority in congress, and that won't happen any time soon. So expect more and even bigger problems.

Besides that, their companies count your vote. Or discount your vote might be a better way to explain why there are so many teabaggers in congress.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

1. No. nt

[Coyotl]

37. Let us NOT forget, the Republicans did all they could to bomb Obama's Economic Recovery

Now, they may have made it look like only the Teabaggers did this, but make no mistake .... it was all of them. Let's NOT be naive about this apparent factionalism.

[RobertEarl]

53. Exactly

They have conspired to destroy this country and they are still in a position of power. Denying the obvious is not going to help defeat them. I think Obama has finally learned to not play along with them. It only enables them.

[Skraxx]

2. LOL! Yeah, Ok, Whatever You Say!

[JoePhilly]

3. Much like they won the civil war I suppose.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

4. Bahahaha! Whatever gets you through the night, Rob

[Mojorabbit]

34. They should have got nothing and we gave them the stricter verification

and that really pisses me off.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

43. Uh. Ok. Read the fine print.

They got nothing.

[Mojorabbit]

51. Then things have changed from an hour ago

when I read the details released so far on the compromise.

[Champion Jack]

5. Absolute nonsense

[onenote]

6. Yeah sure they did. You can lead their fuckin' parade.

[FSogol]

7. Turn off Fox News and AM radio.

[Richardo]

8. You're the only one that thinks so.

[trumad]

9. What are you putting in your tea?

[leveymg]

10. They shut down what they wanted to shut down, but the Center-Right gave them that opportunity

in the deals that were made that emerged as the Sequester and the selective shutdown. The Teahadists get the blame publicly, but the mainstream Centrist leadership of both parties made this possible and inevitable. It's Austerity by Default, and it's no accident.

[RobertEarl]

22. So, you are not in denial?

Why is it you are not like all the other replies on this thread who think this was not planned?

This has been coming for a long time. And it sure is interesting to see that the military did not share in the furloughs. They extremists know who butters their bread.

It's not over. Too bad so many here are so shortsighted. Just allows the cons to conspire to cause more problems.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

29. ...

[leveymg]

44. You can wear your own hat - when the leadership created the Sequester they knew the GOP Right

had the votes to be able to implement it by simple refusal to deal -- that much was predictable and almost inevitable. Once the Sequester was in place, the Teahdists were emboldened to use the same tactic on the Budget. Again, not exactly unforeseeable.

Sequester cuts to social programs are now Locked In. It's simply Austerity by Default (or threat thereof), and it worked.

If I'm wrong, tell me how it was otherwise. Otherwise, take your hat and wrap a sandwich.

[leftstreet]

82. +1

This should be an OP

Lots of confusion around here

[daleanime]

11. I'm not so sure of that....

even the MSM is having a hard time showing this shutdown as anything but tea tinted.


And its hurt too many people.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. Yes indeed, and their ratings certainly reflect that.

Oh wait - I was holding the chart upside down.

Silly me.

[William769]

13. Oy vey

[Agnosticsherbet]

14. No, the Tea Party lost.

Shutting down the government has heavily damaged Republican credibility. Their votes and the damage the cause will be highlighted in next years elections. If they try this shit again in January or February, it will make it worse.

[eqfan592]

15. oh what bull.

I agree that these folks aren't going anywhere and we have to keep pushing back, but to chalk this episode up as a win for them? Yeah, BS.

[cali]

16. holy moly is that just crazy town.

[cry baby]

17. I doubt that, but we will see come 2014.

I truly believe that dems are going to play this to the our benefit. We are getting much smarter, stronger, and more organized.

[KurtNYC]

18. They bet big and lost big.

It could have been worse.

Since you're not celebrating that's an extra glass for me....

[maddezmom]

19. Are you being serious?

[Arkana]

20. Wow, we can't have anything around here, can we?

[BeyondGeography]

21. Some funny shit right there

[LondonReign2]

23. U.S. Declares Victory over Vietnam

Titanic Reports Lovely Initial Voyage

Romney in Landslide Over Obama

[spanone]

24. that's not winning, that fucking your brand.

[JHB]

25. I get pieces of what you're saying, but not how you are putting them together

[RobertEarl]

32. Well, who did get what they wanted?

You think the teabaggers give shit what we think? Nope. The only thing we did was keep the ship from sinking, so far. That is not a win, that is just surviving.

They wanted to make a mess, they made a mess, and they will not pay a price. They have way too much support.

Can anybody here tell me what price they will pay anytime soon?

They will be back in a few months. Everybody in denial of that fact is enabling them.

[randome]

35. It's not a fact until it happens. Right now it's a theory. And you may be right.

But Democratic unison has also been given a jolt.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[randome]

26. A piece of stone the size of Manhattan just fell off the GOP wall.

It's been showing signs of wear and tear for 10 years. Now there's a big hole in the center of it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[NCTraveler]

27. Have you been eating Tuna? nt.

[randome]

31. Ooh. Subtle.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[oldhippie]

36. Good one! nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

46. Bahaha. Inside joke!

[beachbum bob]

28. I hope teaparty and their

Kind have many more victories like this....lol

[Tommy_Carcetti]

30. Just because you start a battle doesn't mean you win the battle.

They lost.

[RobertEarl]

38. Tell me what they lost

Meanwhile, our government is demoralized and employees living in fear of being laid off.

They are laughing at all the people claiming they have been beat. They got more than they expected, and they still control congress.

[onenote]

49. Drugs

Only explanation I can muster for someone implying that the Tea Party won because they "still control Congress."
Under what set of circumstances was this going to end with the Tea Party members of Congress not still being in Congress....for now.

[RobertEarl]

50. Answer the question

What did they lose?

Your personal slam on me is exactly how the teabaggers operate. You are just enabling them. They are influencing the moderates. Only the real Left now stands in their way. Because we still see the reality.

[onenote]

56. What did they lose?

The Tea Party brand remains strong amongst their true believers, but a large swath of the republican party is no longer going to simply say "how high" when the Tea Party says jump and this defeat, along with the likely (barring any unforeseen developments) loss of the governor's mansion in Virginia next month will reinforce the fact that the repub party is in disarray and unable to rally the support they need to win statewide (or national) elections.

Moreover, if/when the House teapartiers start with extreme nonsense during the next budget/debt ceiling battles, a lot of repubs will be much quicker to separate themselves from those efforts.

Oh, and you can take your purity principle and go hang out at the Tea Partiers pity party.

[RobertEarl]

75. Obama won the election

Which shows you elections mean not much.

Your dreaming of electoral victories, while slamming the Left and causing division against the only real force opposing the teabaggers, is par for the course of the moderates and centrists. Bad company you keep.

[onenote]

77. Seriously? You don't think it matters that Obama won?

You think this would have played out the same way if Romney was president? Oh. My. God.

[RobertEarl]

80. I shouldn't expect you to understand

Your attacks on the Left tell me all I need to know.

[onenote]

81. I haven't attacked the Left. I've questioned and criticized your views.

I missed where you were appointed spokesperson for the "Left."

[LondonReign2]

52. Let's see

...chance to take the Senate
...ironclad assurity of keeping the House
...all credibility in the minds of many more Americans
...rollback of ACA
...collapsing world economy for shits and giggles

[Dawgs]

60. Only thing they lost on that list was rolling back the ACA; which they knew would never happen. n/t

[LondonReign2]

63. Really? You don't think they exposed themselves

as major idiots to large segments of America?

[Dawgs]

69. They've been idiots for years. People are easily distracted and will largely forget the SD. n/t

[uponit7771]

67. Do you REALLY think people wont vote for them again?! These people hate Obama, Tea Party "stood up"

...to him ... they could care less who gets hurt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

62. Tea party gave fed employees a paid 2 week vacation

Those kinds of victories don't bode well for the tea party. Oh, and drop the act.

[RobertEarl]

72. You wouldn't want a 2 week paid vacation?

I don't think you know what you are babbling about.

But then you are a moderate who loves to bash the left, aren't you?

[LanternWaste]

76. Support, Face, Branding, Re-Election Chances...

Support, Face, Branding, Re-Election Chances...

[RobinA]

33. Don't Think They Won

but I also don't think they lost. They took a big chance just to see what would happen. They didn't get their way this time, but they will be back, and they will continue to get stuff from Dems. Not for one moment do I think this is anything to them but a battle lost. There's still the war.

I'm kind of surprised at the short-sightedness of the responses here.

[RobertEarl]

41. Surprised?

I sure am. I guess the hopelessness of the reality of our political system has them celebrating the fact they merely survived.

Yes, we merely managed to keep alive. I guess for some it is a miracle?

[cynatnite]

48. They lost a battle, but the war continues...

I'm looking at 2014 to see if they suffer a real loss that is visible.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

64. Expansion of Obamacare continues

Therefir, they lost the war. They want to kill entitlements. Obamacare just added a ginormous one. They lost.

[Dawgs]

66. Yep. In two weeks, if we've moved on from this, there will be something else.

Very surprised at the responses.

[bullwinkle428]

39. PBO still in White House - i.e., they lost this battle.

[leftynyc]

40. Bullshit

They not only trashed their own brand but the brand of the entire GOP. You try and sound like you know what you're talking about and then post crap like "they will pay no price" - pray tell, how far into the future are you capable of seeing and could I have the winning lottery numbers for the Powerball? You want to wallow in negativity, knock yourself out.

[Chan790]

42. Yeah...no.

The Tea Party lost this fight.

*They got nothing they wanted.

*The people that pay their bills and astroturf for their movement, pulled the plug. Literally...this dried-up the big corporate money behind them. The Kochs denounced them. Wall Street turned their backs. The GOP long knives have come out in the hands of their punditry cadre. If money and a voice are power in politics...they have not money, pulpits or power.

*The GOP lost public support down to "staffers and blood relatives" levels...and internally to the party, the blame for that is being laid entirely on the Tea Party.

*They sparked a GOP civil war...and they lost that war. That's not insignificant...they went to war with the people that hand out committee assignments and dole out speaking time and have all the power to put them in positions to not get reelected...and they lost, badly.

*They're probably going to pay for this at the polls; both primaries and general elections. The electorate has short memories but if they pull the same things in early 2014, any subsequent CR and debt fights will be taking place in the middle of election season, right before primaries, then on the doorstep of Election Day. The Democrats and their own GOP leadership (the one that they went to war with and who is now laying this mess at their feet) will make sure of that.

[HappyMe]

45. Good grief!

We didn't blink. This is 100% on them. Of course they will be back, but they know any crap they pull again will only damage them further.

They price they pay will come at election time.

[tillikum]

47. correct. it was never about politics but power.

[Dawgs]

54. Recced. Others may not see it now, but it will be clear in a month or so. n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

55. What price would you expect them to pay, and when do you expect that bill to come due?

I think they have paid a price, but the bill only comes due in November of even-numbered years.

[oldhippie]

57. Good job, man .......

You so thoroughly established your creds on environmental issues that now you come over here and dazzle us with your political astuteness.

Good job!

[WilliamPitt]

58. . . . . . . .

[LordGlenconner]

59. You must be new to politics

In any case, you are tone deaf.

[Lex]

61. WRONG. This stunt will DEFINE them and end up squashing them. nt

[Xyzse]

65. I hope that this is wrong.

However, you are right that there are too many of these sociopaths in congress.

I'll hope for a better 2014, though yeah, I can understand preparing for the worst. Which can only be a good thing.

[sufrommich]

68. I give this OP an 8 on the trolling meter. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

70. Dumbest post of the day

Or dumbest post of the year?



Complete failure.

[onenote]

78. Post #75 gives it a run for the money.

[alcibiades_mystery]

79. Between this one and his other nonsense, I put OP on ignore

Ain't nobody got time for that level of ODS.

[LanternWaste]

71. One merely needs to look at the initial objective, ask if it was met, and reach a conclusion from th

One merely needs to look at the initial objective, ask if it was met, and reach a conclusion from that.

[ProSense]

73. You know who else has an inflated view of teabaggers?

Teabaggers.

Or had.

Tea Party Nation Whines "The Complete Surrender of the Republican Party"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023863110



GOP shutdown disaster could give Dems a big lift
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023862784

"Besides that, their companies count your vote. Or discount your vote might be a better way to explain why there are so many teabaggers in congress."

Bet that pisses off President Romney and Senate Majority Leader McConnell...oh wait...

Ridiculous OP, but I'm sure if this was a Democratic surrender, you'd be declaring it the end of the party.

Republicans just had a massive FAIL.

[Ikonoklast]

74. It can be argued that tactically, Lee won at Gettysburg.

He left the field of battle with an army that retreated still intact, and fought on for years.

Lee still ended up having to surrender, after Gettysburg it was a foregone conclusion.

[dionysus]

83. your bitterness has clouded your perception of reality.

[gollygee]

84. They paid a huge price

Their approval rating took a huge dive, and the 2014 House election, which the Dems shouldn't have had a shot out, is now a potential. They got hit hard.