Obama stood more firmly than he ever has, showing balls of steel

[bluestateguy]

THAT is the man I voted for twice.

Well done.

[uppityperson]

1. Nerves of steel indeed. Good Obama, stand firm.

[Orrex]

9. :thumbsup:

Nice catch.

[uppityperson]

14. You are welcome.

Personal pet peeve.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

113. thanks from me too.

plus, "nerves of steel" is dignified, befitting the excellent President of the United States, who is dignified.

[yuiyoshida]

129. I agree..

dut tada daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!!!


and a little music to go with the picture..

[Jackpine Radical]

138. Old white male signing on

to acknowledge the same pet peeve.

And I'll add "cojones" and any other references to testosterone-producing organs as applied to courage, fortitude and the American Way. That stuff always grates on me.

[NRaleighLiberal]

38. well done!

[uppityperson]

71. Thank you, nice to see I am not the only one noticing.

And thanks. I will be checking DU tomorrow the the Big Day team signup, yay!

[Blue Owl]

2. We need this

[flamingdem]

3. He set his strategy early and maintained his famous cool

through all the BS. Excellent job!

[kardonb]

29. strategy

he always plays the long game , with the long view , and in the end , HE WINS !

[BlueCaliDem]

4. Yep. He made right what he's made wrong in 2011.

NO MORE playing games and giving in to Republican demands in return for them doing their job. And it's paying off for the president. He'll be just as tough come January and February when the House of Teapublicans will get to do a do-over again, and most likely will try this shit again, not seeing that we'll be in an election year by that time which will hurt them at the polls.

[geek tragedy]

5. Another sign of character: learning from one's mistakes.

He hasn't acknowledged it, but his decision to play ball with Boehner on the debt ceiling in 2011 will easily go down as his biggest mistake. But he recognized it, learned from it, and most importantly cleaned up that mess.

[AnneD]

99. ITA...

I wish he had chosen his cabinet better. Too much WS influence. And taking Universal Care of as a bartering chip before the negotiations???? He has bargained very poorly for four years, maybe he has finally gotten the hang of it. Hope he doesn't give away Social Security in the process.

[elleng]

6. VPOTUS has noted POTUS' steel spine in the past,

these 2 make a great team.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. At last. THIS is the man I voted for.

[ChiciB1]

43. For So Many Of Us Here... YES IT IS!

May he continue and truly understand that WE will stand with him, if HE stands with us!

[CakeGrrl]

59. Some of us ALWAYS stand with him

Call it cheerleading or apologism or whatever else, some of us always know who the REAL enemy is.

Now where is that "Can't trust Obama" thread that got +100 recs just a few short weeks ago?

Ah yes...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023622685

We'll see if those who were on this bandwagon stay consistent. Not to attack you, but the situational celebrations are a bit trying for people who consistently support (not worship) the President against unprecedented opposition.

[Whisp]

96. You are correct.

The real enemy doesn't get half the grief here the good President does.

[ChiciB1]

142. Good That You Feel As You Do...

For me it's kind of like this. This will be weird to some.

I like almost every vegetable you can imagine, and will eat some I don't like. So when I'm offered one that I really like and start eating it enthusiastically, say maybe tomatoes, I want my tomato to be one I really enjoy. But then I get a tomato, which I still like, but get half way through and it turns out to be mushy with a bad texture. That does not mean I then dislike all tomatoes, but I will try to remember where I got that tomato at that point in time. So, since I would prefer my nice tomato, I know there are still good tomatoes and my preference is to find one. Can't find good tomatoes all the time though, some aren't going to taste as good in winter as they are in summer. Still I don't give up on tomatoes, I eat them regardless but not with any zest.

So along comes summer and even THAT place that had the kind of mushy tomato has some really good tomatoes. And that place is closer and more convenient than having to look further, well then I go back and say I'm so glad you have good tomatoes again, I REALLY missed you.

Make any sense to anyone?

[Robbins]

8. Agreed

Both he and Reid deserve credit.

They got 98 percent of what they wanted.The tea party lost.

If they try this crap In January/February what makes anyone think now obama and reid will cave.Trying this crap again only helps a
2014 democratic wave.

[DireStrike]

11. Next time the Republicans won't have as many facts against them

It is provable that they engineered this shutdown, that they refused 18 budget conference requests, that they were quite happy about this shutdown and the leadership thought it was a stupid idea.

Next time they will all be on the same page from day one. All they have to do is claim "democrats won't negotiate" again, and it will work next time.

We're talking about a month and a half here. Americans generally can't remember what they had for breakfast 5 minutes ago.

[Swede Atlanta]

23. I suspect you may be right.....

While I wish they had pushed the dates much further out...at least a good 6 months....

Obama said if you re-open the government and give me a clean debt ceiling increase we can talk

Now we have to see if the Republics take him up on his offer - i.e. negotiate in good faith.

The question will be if the Republics in the Senate will actually block attempts to go to budget negotiation conference with the House and if discarding the sequester in favor of a more targeted, understandable, deficit reduction framework can be accomplished.

Time will tell....

[BluegrassStateBlues]

10. Cojones grandes. nt

[libdem4life]

12. Agreed. The difference as I see it, Obama was willing to risk his own legacy for the future to

protect future Presidents from this skullduggery...said so many times. He believed in himself and his actions. Yet, he did not once negotiate his legacy accomplishment, the ACA, created for the benefit of the people here and now and into the future.

Cruz swashbuckled Boehner into a position where he, and the Tea Party, have lost not only political legacies, but looked stunningly selfish with their "Me and Mine" and "Too bad for you and yours".

[frog64]

92. nailed it

yes, a real leader does this. He was protecting future presidents from blackmail. I will put him in the top ten for that right now, regardless of how the economy or AHCA turns out.

[libdem4life]

103. Thanks..and I'm sure I'm not the only Democrat who was holding their breath for awhile. I give

the chances of a repeat anytime soon, after the political dust settles, pretty damn low. The Moderates are coming out of the bunker and I think they will listen to the overwhelming success stories and the online glitches will fade into the dustbin of media hype.

[mac56]

110. ^ THIS ^

[TrogL]

13. I'm not sure if I'd want those

Up here where it gets to -40, steel-toed boots will freeze your toes.

[TBF]

15. ...

[Courtesy Flush]

16. Hope this continues. nt

[PBass]

17. 13 Dimensional Chess!!!! LOL, just kidding. He did good! (NT)

[ruffburr]

18. YES!!

[The Second Stone]

19. Regular 2D chess beat down

He's handling it right so far.

[GoneFishin]

20. Awesome job on this one.

[Snake Plissken]

21. He just kicked back and let the America watch the baggers fight over the gun to shoot their toes off

Please proceed baggers,

[klook]

56. +1

Good analogy.

[Dopers_Greed]

22. I think Obama has won me back

He lost a lot of my support because of the NSA and drone policy, but I don't have a single bad thing to say about his handling of the Teabag Party and their fake crisis.

[PeaceNikki]

24. What a stupid, sexist, immature and childish thread title.

"Balls" implies that a positive trait (i.e. courage or strength) is related to manliness or emanates from one's testicles, and that by extension women are unable to be as aggressive or courageous because they "lack balls"... or if used in context of a woman, they are less like a women because they convey these traits.

</soapbox>

[Patiod]

25. I do prefer backbone myself

Having said that, I admire the President's backbone in this matter!

[NewJeffCT]

89. I always try to use backbone, spine, guts

or something similar.

[Silent3]

91. There are brave people with spinal deformities

Let's not discriminate against them either!

[VWolf]

30. I prefer "intestinal fortitude"

Besides, having balls of steel would be quite uncomfortable.

On edit: He's happens to be a man, so he has balls. He's been unwavering, so he has balls of steel. If he were a woman, the phrase "ovaries of quartz" would be more appropriate.

[deutsey]

31. I prefer "courage"

Not everyone with balls (steel or otherwise) has courage. And plenty of people without them do.

[yodermon]

36. I prefer gonads.

[Garion_55]

39. .

[SunSeeker]

112. LOL nt

[llmart]

117. Love it!

Love Betty White and what she said is the truth!

[NastyRiffraff]

124. Love her!

Thanks for the laugh. And SO true!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

41. Bahahaha. Always with the situational PC

Here on DU

[NuclearDem]

47. It's patriarchal and insensitive.

Whining about political correctness doesn't change that.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

48. Then please write to Jon Stewart and Colbert

Tell em what you think about their patriarchal ways.

[NuclearDem]

49. And I don't like it when they do it either.

So your point is if commentators and figures we agree with do or say something wrong, that makes it alright for the rest of us to as well?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

50. It's not right or wrong. It is your Victorian sensibilities

And I've seen plenty of members be aghast at one non-pC remark and then cheer other ones.

[NuclearDem]

53. My Victorian sensibilities?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Also, bullshit. Most who stand up against bigoted and insensitive crap here do it universally, and I'm willing to bet a lot who do otherwise let something slide do so because they weren't aware of it.

You on the other hand tend to proudly and vocally post offensive or insensitive crap.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

57. Like in this thread where I am swearing?

Oh wait. That is you.

[NuclearDem]

58. You brought it on yourself.

When someone mentioned how that term is insensitive, you could have just heard them out and learned why. If you had disagreed, you could have politely said so or asked for clarification.

Instead, you went with the tired old equivalent of "why won't you feminists just relax" and acted like a fool. This is all on you.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

62. I never called out feminists or women for that matter

I disn't even check your profile to know if you were male or female.

I know PC when I see it. It is evident all over this thread. My point was larger than this thread or use of "balls" which I do find overly crass myself. I am just fed up with the constant sniping and "reeducating" that goes on here when the post itself was not an offensive sentiment.

[NuclearDem]

64. Wow, incredible.

There has to be constant reminders about offensive terminology and language because it's so culturally ingrained. People who refuse to change snipe at the people who take it on themselves to do the reminding.

And whether I'm male or female doesn't have a thing to do with this in the slightest. Whether the OP was intending to be offensive or not, the language is. Even gold people can screw up, but they cease to be good people when they refuse to correct themselves.

It's not "crass", you're just uncomfortable with offensive crap being called for what it is, for whatever reason.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

65. There. You got the last word.

[denbot]

68. Steel ovaries just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Besides, it should have a male inflection since the President is currently a man.

[whopis01]

114. Well that's because they are internal to the body and won't swing into each other

and ring like a bell in the same way balls of steel would.

Or did you mean something else when you said "doesn't have the same ring to it"?

[NYC_SKP]

121. Titanium. Titanium Ovaries > Steel Balls. Any day of the week.

Do NOT fuck with them.

[denbot]

125. Duly noted.

[PeaceNikki]

69. One can point out childish sexism without being 'aghast'

[Patiod]

115. Thank you. I'm not appalled or aghast

I just think backbone is less overtly sexist. Of course guys don't understand why it's sexist. They think "having balls" is naturally better than not having balls.

"Balls" means, frankly, that you're a guy and not a woman, and I just don't find that to be superior to NOT having balls.

Spine or intestinal fortitude, courage or guts - that doesn't rely on not being female as a good thing. I know Colbert and Stewart love those phrases, but what do you expect from people who rely on mostly-male writers' rooms? It doesn't upset me to the point that I'd turn it off, but it's just sort of obnoxious.

It's kind of like saying "mighty white of you", assuming that white is better and wondering why a non-white person might not care for that phrase

[PeaceNikki]

116. Exactly.

Most men, and even many women, really are blind to the barrage of sexism that exists in our society - slight or obvious all the time. And, yeah, I'll call it out when I hear it in real life or read it online in a community from which I expect better. It doesn't make me a killjoy as is stated in this thread. It doesn't mean I was 'aghast' or that my 'nose was bent'. I saw it and I stated how I felt.

So... thanks for 'getting it'.

[leftstreet]

72. 'Political correctness' is a rightwing term n/t

[Pretzel_Warrior]

73. Uh no it's not

[leftstreet]

74. Uh yes it is

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, you may be too young to know this

The term's original meaning was quickly snarked into a coded wink-nudge to dismiss social criticism concerning equal rights

[Pretzel_Warrior]

75. It's etymology is thus: early 20th century socialists used it as

A rebuke of Communists who were more focused on party line rather than outcomes of policy.

In the early 70's it was picked up by the New Left as follows:

In the 1970s, the New Left had adopted the term political correctness;[5] hence, in the essay The Black Woman: An Anthology (1970), Toni Cade Bambara said that “a man cannot be politically correct and a [male] chauvinist, too.” In the event, the New Left then applied the term as self-critical satire, about which Debra Shultz said that “throughout the 1970s and 1980s, the New Left, feminists, and progressives ... used their term politically correct ironically, as a guard against their own orthodoxy in social change efforts”.[5][6][7] As such, PC is a popular usage in the comic book Merton of the Movement, by Bobby London, which then was followed by the term ideologically sound, in the comic strips of Bart Dickon.[5][8] In her essay “Toward a feminist Revolution” (1992) Ellen Willis said: "In the early eighties, when feminists used the term political correctness, it was used to refer sarcastically to the anti-pornography movement’s efforts to define a “feminist sexuality”"[9]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

It was not used by conservatives in a perjorative sense until the early 90's

[NuclearDem]

76. And in what sense are you using it?

Because it sure doesn't seem to involve the Communist Party line or an injoke with the New Left.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

78. Wow. Way to not admit you were wrong

*ahem* I mean "fact-challenged".

[NuclearDem]

79. You used it as a perjorative in the context of discussing offensive patriarchal language.

But then again, you knew that.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

82. Aye yah!!! You don't want to concede any point

Certainly not that I might know what I'm talking about as evidenced by proof. What have you brought to the table? Attacks on my opinion that sometimes DU resembles the Pharisees who were constantly trying to prove who was most righteous.

[NuclearDem]

85. Someone pointed out a sexist term and explained why it's offensive.

You reacted by screaming political correctness.

Now several people have called you on it, and you still refuse to acknowledge that. The fact you considered the post some form of petty political correctness shows you don't understand why it's offensive, or that you do know why and just don't care.

The former could've been fixed by just asking for clarification. The latter is abhorrent. Which one is it?

[Warren DeMontague]

94. why was what they did "pointing out" and yet what pretzel warrior did was "screaming"?

Were there an exceptional amount of exclamation points involved in the "screaming" post?

I think you should check yourself and thoroughly examine why you feel entitled to brazenly mischaracterize other people's communications in such a manner.

[leftstreet]

77. So you admit it is a pejorative

It was not used by conservatives in a perjorative (sic) sense until the early 90's

Interesting

[Pretzel_Warrior]

80. Can be used in that way. It can also be used within a group

To remind one another we are too focused on keeping our language "free of impurities" and becoming ludicrous.

[leftstreet]

83. Oh, now it 'can be used that way'

What happened to 'uh no it's not' ??



And now you're suggesting that civilized discussion of equal rights is forcing 'impurities' into our language?

My, my

[Pretzel_Warrior]

84. I've disproven your assertion that PC is merely a right wing term

So you can quit while you're behind. You've now gone and misinterpreted my last statement to you to an opposite meaning from that which I clearly intended.

I'm done with this ridiculously PC sub-thread and hope it was as educational for you as it was boring for me.

[leftstreet]

95. Yes. Very educational. Thx n/t

[LanternWaste]

108. Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

"So you can quit while you're behind...."

And you too could simply be respectful of others. Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

"hope it was as educational for you as it was boring for me..."
Education is often "boring" to the under-educated and the sub-literate who like to pretend they are ore clever, wise and mature that they actually are.

[Warren DeMontague]

87. Exactly. I definitely remember it being used un-ironically when I was in college in the 80s.

By people on our side who were dreadfully serious and earnest.



Perhaps not terribly surprisingly, they weren't exactly the fun folks to party with.

[truebrit71]

86. Right???

Can't even have one brief moment of celebration without SOMEONE getting their noses bent out of joint...

FYI, the President is a man. Men have balls. His happen to be made of steel.

GET.OVER.IT.

[PeaceNikki]

111. My nose wasn't bent. I wasn't 'aghast'. And if you can't wrap your brain around the explaination

I gave as to *why* it's stupid, immature and sexist then *you* GET.OVER.IT.

"balls" are not required for courage, fortitude or strength.

[truebrit71]

136. Yes mom....sorry....

And yes, balls, great big steel ones were needed to face down the teahadists and the President has been sorely lacking in them up to this point...

[PeaceNikki]

137. No. No "balls" were involved in this deal. You can take your big "manly" balls and shove them.

[truebrit71]

143. Oh yes they were...and for the very first time Obama used his...

....great big shiny steel balls...His testicular fortitude was breathtaking to behold....finally...he backed up his rhetoric with actions...

[LanternWaste]

107. I used to rationalize the irrational too.

I used to rationalize the irrational too. Them, before I knew it, third grade was over and I grew up. Just a head's up that being civil, respectful, tolerant and polite is not the same a being PC, regardless og how you may justify it otherwise...

Insert distinction without a difference here...)

[Pretzel_Warrior]

126. Let's put it this way. I know I have been insensitive

And I also know I have been judges harshly by the PC crowd. No worries. I'm not trying to justify or defend anything I've said. I am defending the "Obama's got balls of steel" comment because it is not demeaning to anyone.

[Enrique]

119. you are wrong

it is a complaint that goes back on du to the bush years. you wouldn't know because it had nothing to do with obama, no one had even heard of him, and people had their own thoughts, among which was the flaw in the op's language.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

141. I was here in 2003 and though there was good comment

Rebuking anyone who called women b**** . And that is a good thing. My point, proven every day here is the DU pc police apply their umbrage very unevenly.

[mac56]

109. Remind me not to drink out of the DU punchbowl this evening.

Some people are just hell-bent to add their ingredients to it.

[Politicub]

26. Proud of our president!! N/t

[florida08]

27. Yes and the dems stood firm with him

Hope they see now what we've been yelling lol

[Iggo]

28. Two-Dimensional Checkers.

Yeah, baby!

[DonCoquixote]

32. Mr. President

If you had stood this way back in 2008, we would be in much better shape, but there was a part of you that really wanted to believe that the GOP would se reason. Doubtless the "pragmatists" are working overtime to ensure that part of you grows back, do not. Rip that out by the root!

Also ask yourself if the left was right on this matter, how many other matters are we right on? You dipped yout feet in the water, and you know the water is a lot warmer than the center, go ahead,take a swim, you might find you are in your true element, instead of being the fish out of water you were in your first term.

[Skittles]

35. THANK YOU

[Raffi Ella]

44. +1

Better late than never.

[Skittles]

33. this is who he should have been from the start

yes INDEED

[aaaaaa5a]

34. In his first term Obama saved America from the 2nd Great Depression and killed Bin Laden.

In his second term he has saved the American Presidency and implemented the ACA, rivaling only FDR with SS and LBJ with Medicare in US Presidential history.




Um... not too bad!

[Scalded Nun]

37. Sure glad to see this fortitude. The country wins on this one.

Voted for him twice as well.

I will say, though, that I do not think the right would have been so willing to push this had he not caved on important issues in the past. Their miscalculation was thinking he would cave on his legacy.

Would sure love to see this doom the TPers.

[IrishAyes]

40. President Obama is the same man he's always been. Perceptions are what have changed.

This was one of the best laid traps I've ever seen sprung. To put it mildly, quoting Biden, "Don't*Ever*Play*Chess*With*That*Man".

What looked like retreat in the past was no more than allowing the enemy to push him exactly where he wanted to go. Now they've totally unmasked themselves and committed virtual political suicide. What could be better than that, I ask?

For all who've been asleep or even napping this long hard winter, I answer: Nothing!

[CakeGrrl]

42. +1000

Just because some latelys are just now seeing it doesn't mean it wasn't always there.

Like it or not, the VOTERS are responsible for bringing this ugly Congress to Washington, not just the MSM enablers. There was never any question for some of us who was the real enemy and the only choice.

[Le Taz Hot]

45. As one who has regularly criticized his

corporate-friendly polities, among other things, he did good on this one. There was NO WAY he could have/should have backed down on this. He done good.

[russspeakeasy]

46. I'm thinking about changing my signature.

[indepat]

51. May BHO stand just as firmly on ever issue until January 20, 2016, and put back on the table

everything heretofore conceded to Repukes since January 20, 2008, crushing with gusto every Repuke's political balls in the process.

[FredStembottom]

52. See?

Now DU is united.
As I have been pointing out for years, we were only divided because the Dem leadership divided us.

[edbermac]

54. Balls of steel beats brains of shit.

[HappyMe]

67. lol!

Can't argue with that.


Well done!

[Isoldeblue]

55. I think he gives most people the

benefit of the doubt, to be better. Until he finds out they can't and won't - be better. Then it's "FU". He is no one's fool!!!

[alfredo]

60. He's going to twist the knife by pushing immigration reform now.

[Moostache]

61. I'm just happy I don't have to bemoan another capitulation...

Its nice to see him finally stand firm in the face of the anarchists and lunatics in the GOP.

Now, Mr. President, about that closing Guantanamo Bay and the Patriot Act and the NSA and the expansion of the police state...at least he has removed the "always caves to Republican demands" tag...baby steps I guess...although at this rate, we would be looking at the middle of his fifth term* to get to those issues...

*Yes, I KNOW you can only be elecetd twice...its called hyperbole!! Sheesh...some people have no sense of humor!

[CtDemoFarmer]

63. Big test coming with "Entittlement Reform"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

66. ...

[angrychair]

70. hate to be a downer

But, as written, we still made concessions. Income verification will become a new stick for the teacups to beat up the poor. Not to mention a concession, even a small one, empowers these nutjobs to do it again. Yes, we won the battle...but we lost the war.

[gollygee]

81. I don't know

I doubt they'd feel that the beating they've taken in the polls was worth it. We have at least some chance at taking the House in 2014. We had no real chance before this.

[Warren DeMontague]

90. Oh, FFS. This was a rout.

They are not going to want to do this again any time soon.

[angrychair]

101. I hope you're right

And, because of this, we don't start hearing stories of people who apply for healthcare and only make $12, 000 a year being dragged through an IRS audit to prove they need the subsidy. The more red tape and hoops you create the less likely people are to do it. "Income verification" could become the teacups poison pill for the ACA.

[Warren DeMontague]

102. Doesnt medicaid already do something similar?

[angrychair]

104. can't compare it...yet

The "income verification" concession has not been defined yet. The implication of the wording would denote a invasive process that ensures income standards are being met but for right now it falls under the header "the how is what are to be determined at a later date".
My intent is not to piss in the pool but to make the point we made concessions when we said we would not. This was not a "clean CR" and nothing less should be acceptable. Yes, the teacups blinked...but so did we. When you are dealing with rabid dogs, a twitch, that blink, is the only response they need to know that, in the end, they will be the only one walking away whole.

[jeff47]

106. Actually, it has been defined.

HHS gets to decide the details. HHS IG is supposed to certify the verification is effective in July.

Considering the ACA is heavily involved with the IRS, it's really not hard to see how "income verification" will work.

Send paystub. If no paystub, send last year's tax forms. If no tax forms, you're either breaking the law, or making so little money you aren't receiving a subsidy and thus are not subject to income verification.

[SunSeeker]

130. There is no new income verification term added to the ACA.

As Rachel Maddow explained tonight, the income verification provision is already in the ACA; this "concession" amounts to little more than a clarification that this term is in fact there and will be enforced. Rachel used the analogy of saying it is about as much of a concession as Dems letting the GOP call the day after Tuesday "Wednesday." In other words, they got nothing.

On the other hand, the Dems got a whole lot. The debt ceiling is raised and the government is back open while the GOP is finally forced to negotiate a new budget that will get away from the sequester terms (after refusing Dems' 21 separate requests to do so over the last year). What no one is talking about (only Rachel pointed it out tonight) is that the Dems ALSO got a whole list list of funding items tacked onto the debt ceiling legislation:
1. Colorado flood recovery 
2. Wildfire recovery
3. Wildfire prevention 
4. Ohio River Construction project 
5. Payment of $174K owed to former Senator Frank Lautenberg's widow 
6. Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board 
7. LI-HEAP (low income heating assistance)

And that passed the House tonight with 87 GOP votes. It is a resounding victory over the Tea Party's attempted economic coup.

Be happy.

[angrychair]

135. impressive

I didn't get to watch RMS last night. I stand corrected. I hope that this is a portent of things to come.

[Warren DeMontague]

88. ***

[woo me with science]

93. Bullshit. We were scammed again by corporatists in both parties.

Let's not forget what really happens as a result of this deal. And let's not forget how we got here.

Let's remember this critical point made by DUer, cui bono:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023864395

But what is in the bill being passed is a budget with sequestration. A bill with less spending than Ryan's budget.

And let's repeat a post by leveymg that also explains what is really going on here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3839411

67. It's because this lunacy is all a quite rational way to propel the Center-Right Austerity agenda.

That's precisely why I don't believe this BS about 40 Teahadis being responsible for the "crisis."

A partial shutdown suits the deficit hawks in both parties just fine, since it's been adjusted so it doesn't actually impact payrolls in the military and Intelligence agencies. This is simply austerity and cuts to social programs without anyone having to actually vote for it, and that's making the Center-Right smile.

Of course, they won't allow actual default of the debt - the "threat" of that just another psychological device to make this seem like a real crisis. It's not - it's simply austerity by default.

It has caused and will cause more pain to the 99 percent, and it never should have gone this far. The faux fiscal "crisis" should have been utterly rejected by a Democratic President TWO YEARS ago. Let's remember how we got started down this road of sequestrations and shutdowns in the first place. Republicans should have been slapped down hard then. Instead, the axe of sequestration was embraced by Democrats, and we got soaring speeches about eating our peas. None of this should have happened at all. It was orchestrated by corporatists in both parties, and now we have perpetual rule by shock doctrine. This is not a win, except for corporate thieves in both parties.

Every single deal, every single orchestrated crisis, every single shock doctrine scam moves us further into corporate slavery. We are being played by both corporate parties, over and over again.

[leftstreet]

100. +1

[jeff47]

105. You should probably know the difference between a budget and a continuing resolution before

claiming that this is a loss that is utterly irreversible. Hint: Debate on spending levels are going to come up again in 2 months.

You should probably also understand that this:

A partial shutdown suits the deficit hawks in both parties just fine, since it's been adjusted so it doesn't actually impact payrolls in the military and Intelligence agencies.

Is false. Not only were civilians in both the military and intelligence agencies furloughed, but only soldiers got paid. That's a wee bit of an impact on payroll.

The faux fiscal "crisis" should have been utterly rejected by a Democratic President TWO YEARS ago. Let's remember how we got started down this road of sequestrations and shutdowns in the first place. Republicans should have been slapped down hard then.

TWO YEARS ago, the Republicans had massive victories at the polls. If you win a massive victory, you set the agenda.

Don't like it? Well then perhaps whining about Obama not getting enough done in his first two years wasn't the best strategy in 2010. Perhaps busting our asses as in 2008 and 2012 would have been a better plan.

[SunSeeker]

131. Excellent post. Thanks. nt

[kath]

139. +1000. thanks woo.

And thanks to cui bono and leveymg for their reality-based posts quoted here. (Soooo sick of the politics-as-a-team-sport mentality)

[Whisp]

97. I would call it Nerves of steel, or a steel spine

this balls thing is really silly. just sayin'

[DrewFlorida]

98. Yes he did, it was reasuring to see!

[valerief]

118. And tits of titanium. nt

[trublu992]

120. He was pretty sexy with the consistent NO!

[MiddleFingerMom]

122. ... showing a rectum of wrought iron.

[Corruption Inc]

123. Except the entire "crisis" was a load of crap

I doubt the American people will like the taste of "balls of steel" when criminal "austerity measures" come up in Jan.

Go team go, LMFAO!

[kath]

140. +1

[Wolf Frankula]

127. Well Done Barry! Well Done!

When you stand up to the bullies, you can beat them. It makes me glad I voted for you, Mr. Obama.

Wolf

[DissidentVoice]

128. He really did

Mr. President, props and more props.

You didn't cave when the Tea Potty crybabies tried to undo what you did with the ACA.

Would that all Democrats would develop such a backbone.

[livingwagenow]

132. A salute to Pres Obama from this vet!

[4bucksagallon]

133. He is not going to run again he has nothing to lose and everything to gain as seen.

[libdude]

134. As

Bob Dylan said " you don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows ". The real credit goes to those in Congress that stood firm against this extortion, that put the long term interests of the American people first. It was.good to have the President keep a low profile and not make this issue about him, just giving the right wing extremist more ammunition to divert the issue.
This was an important gut check for the Democrats in order to create a post-Obama approach to governance. Now the real test will be during the negotiations and will they start with the usual start in the middle offers to compromise or continue to hold a hard line fir the American people.