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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: Boehner capitulates, will accept Senate Bill
?@robertcostaNRO 10m
Per Sen sources, Boehner has agreed to take up the Senate's plan and allow it to pass with Dem votes.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)For now.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)A belated Xmas present for the country. Let me thank them ahead of time. GFY !!!!!
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)dare we hope that Boehner will be 'put out to pasture' before the next debt ceiling fiasco?
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)that Boner will retain his job as there is no one to replace him and he'll be forgiven for having such a difficult task trying to control that bunch of hillbillies.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Here I was getting all excited about no Boehner!
libodem
(19,288 posts)Some reformulated political Viagra to maintain your ability to fuck 'THE PEOPLE' with an artificially inflated, Blackmail Boner. If I didn't despise, Can'tor so much, Orange Boneman, would be first on my hate list.
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)A Vet will apparently run for his seat as Ohio voters have more brains than some voters in Texas.
Nov. 2014 can't come soon enough.
efhmc
(14,726 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)someone has to do it, and I really don't think anyone else would want to! they're so utterly incompetent and straight outta hillbillyland that it's no surprise they want their way or they'll cause destruction. it's what they grew up with!
http://www.zazzle.com/shutdown_the_gop_by_voting_in_2014_government-128195183613839642?rf=238107662556833486
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)That's the norm. That would end all of the debt ceilings and continuing resolutions.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)To get through the Senate before we hit the debt limit, everything will have to proceed with unanimous consent. Otherwise, the bill stalls for things like time to debate the bill and add amendments, which themselves need time to debate.
Long story short, Ted Cruz can still fuck this up.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)can only stall for a certain number of hours, 30. It's here on DU.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)er. So the damage from the possibility of default is real. The damage from an actual default is not.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)happen till November. The "scary date" is just a "scary date".
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)munster69
(107 posts)the dems caved on Obamacare
They are making changes to Obamacare, now boner will say he got 98% of what he wanted.
Dems 0
Repugs 1
They will be back for more extortion.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
According to sources, the Senate deal under discussion would reopen the government, funding it until January 15. It would also raise the debt limit until February 7 to avert a possible default on U.S. debt obligations for the first time.
it also would set up budget negotiations between the House and Senate for a long-term spending plan,
and would include a provision to strengthen verification measures for people seeking government subsidies under Obama's signature health care reforms.
demwing
(16,916 posts)no way in hell this is a Dem loss, for fucks sake get real.
llmart
(15,539 posts)The News Hour had two analysts who both said a version of the same thing. "The Republicans got their clocks cleaned" from a reporter with USA Today and the other guy said virtually the same thing only in different terminology. Reporters on NPR said the same thing.
So, I supposed we should listen to you instead?
munster69
(107 posts)No, they got a piece of Obamacare so they will be back for more
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
According to sources, the Senate deal under discussion would reopen the government, funding it until January 15. It would also raise the debt limit until February 7 to avert a possible default on U.S. debt obligations for the first time.
it also would set up budget negotiations between the House and Senate for a long-term spending plan,
and would include a provision to strengthen verification measures for people seeking government subsidies under Obama's signature health care reforms.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)after seeing how badly it turned out for them this time. Listen to talk radio. The right views the settlement as a disastrous defeat.
ruffburr
(1,190 posts)vi5
(13,305 posts)Did we give up much if anything in the senate bill? Or is it just a clean bill kicking the can down the road?
ChangeUp106
(549 posts)But it does kick the can down the road
a kennedy
(29,663 posts)D*mn.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)Kber
(5,043 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)1) Not raising the debt limit long enough to last until after the next election
2) "Income verification" for ACA subsidies.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)Income verification does nothing but repell future republican lies about how democrats are giving the ACA to liars and crooks. So no giving away there!
Second, the debt limit as an organizing vehicle for democrats and a very very hot potato for republicans for many years to come has been established. Replays of the currewnt events will not be kind to republicans who would probably lose the Representatives helped by Gerrymandering in the states , thereby losing the House for many years and further increase the Democratic majority in the House.
We need to brand them now as the traitors and liars they wanted to be to serve their rich bosses.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)into the gears. Right now the Obama care computer system isn't working well. Changing how applicants are qualified will mean going back into the system and making what is probably a major change. I don't know how far this will set the program back but I suspect it will be significant.
CarrieLynne
(497 posts)make it harder to qualify - less money flowing into the program....
doc03
(35,338 posts)gallery? People have been saying he is going to cave for days but the teabaggers somehow
scare him back in line every time. I wonder what will happen with that nut job Cruz? Will he be the teabagger hero or will he just fade away?
warrior1
(12,325 posts)Kber
(5,043 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)I depend on my disability check and I've been worried as hell, just like millions of other Americans. These fights over the debt ceiling need to end. I think it should be illegal to handle the country's finances this way. Bring back the Gephardt Rule!
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)who have been getting hurt by all of this.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Paladin
(28,261 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)so they'd better get healthcare.gov working soon because the media focus is going to shift to healthcare once it's not covering this mess 24/7.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Yeah, it's going to kick the can down the road... but it keeps us afloat for a while, enables us to survive without collapsing into complete economic disaster.
bonniebgood
(943 posts)tavernier
(12,388 posts)IMO we must look to the world like the guy digging under his couch cushions for change to try to make the rent.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)Obama, liberals, and Democrats for everything that disturbs their simple minds.
I hope I'm wrong but I have serious doubts that any republicans learned anything about the absurdity of their own party through this crisis. I've seen too much of their stupidity to believe that anything would knock some sense into them. In other words, I'll believe it when I see it. They will be right back to their same old bullshit in no time at all, hating on the government and supporting hypocrites for public office.
librechik
(30,674 posts)TBF
(32,060 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)I fear to satisfy the Teeps. I am not encouraged. thanks for the url!
TBF
(32,060 posts)that seemed like the best place to look.
They will iron this out and pass it - Wall Street is not amused at this point. Too much $$$ at stake.
On edit - but I get what you're saying - hopefully someone is going over that bill with a fine-tooth comb.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)about the teabagger's sanity. Yes folks they really are that insane.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)REMINDER: Ted Cruz or Mike Lee could still filibuster a deal in the Senate http://thkpr.gs/1gHhgCn
TrogL
(32,822 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)That's the crucial test.
Botany
(70,504 posts)barbaraj
(80 posts)to the teabaggers...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seditious_conspiracy
libodem
(19,288 posts)A 160 million dollars per day times 14 days. Are these Piles, not the ones who scream about taxpayer dollars being wasted on affordable health care? Better to flush money down the hopper? I don't get it?
Piles autocorrected Pukes, so I kept it.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)The loss to (whatever was left of) our esteem in the financial markets of world? Gone for good
libodem
(19,288 posts)Of each and every campaign ad. That's for sure. What a stupid shananagan. They are clueless hypocrites.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)He should know those teabaggers well enough to know that no compromise would satisfy them. They seek nothing less than the destruction of the federal government.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Turbineguy
(37,331 posts)to find out if the idiots are right in a few months.
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)They have laid down their AK-47's and there's
a light at the end of the tunnel. Americans are
no longer prisoners in their own country.
srican69
(1,426 posts)Source: Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandicoot
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)It never should have gone this far. The faux fiscal "crisis" should have been utterly rejected by a Democratic President TWO YEARS ago. Let's remember how we got started down this road of sequestrations and shutdowns in the first place. Republicans should have been slapped down hard then. Instead, the axe of sequestration was embraced by Democrats, and we got soaring speeches about eating our peas. None of this should have happened at all. It was orchestrated by corporatists in both parties, and now we have perpetual rule by shock doctrine. This is not a win, except for thieves in both parties. We have been scammed again.
Let's remember this critical point made by DUer, cui bono:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023864395
But what is in the bill being passed is a budget with sequestration. A bill with less spending than Ryan's budget.
And let's repeat a post by leveymg that also explains what is really going on here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3839411
67. It's because this lunacy is all a quite rational way to propel the Center-Right Austerity agenda.
That's precisely why I don't believe this BS about 40 Teahadis being responsible for the "crisis."
A partial shutdown suits the deficit hawks in both parties just fine, since it's been adjusted so it doesn't actually impact payrolls in the military and Intelligence agencies. This is simply austerity and cuts to social programs without anyone having to actually vote for it, and that's making the Center-Right smile.
Of course, they won't allow actual default of the debt - the "threat" of that just another psychological device to make this seem like a real crisis. It's not - it's simply austerity by default.
Every single deal, every single orchestrated crisis, every single shock doctrine scam moves us further into corporate slavery. We are being played by both corporate parties, over and over again.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)SDjack
(1,448 posts)Senate bill. Make the Senate sign on to a Clean bill.