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BREAKING: Boehner capitulates, will accept Senate Bill (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2013 OP
that means this crisis is over. DCBob Oct 2013 #1
Yeah, for now! We can look forward to going through this all over again two weeks after Christmas. Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #9
February 7th is reported to be the next debt ceiling deadline in this Senate deal. nt Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #16
Yes, but, chervilant Oct 2013 #37
I just heard someone on TV predict Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #43
Durn! chervilant Oct 2013 #44
Must be libodem Oct 2013 #48
But I predict he will be gone after next year. Left Coast2020 Oct 2013 #58
Nancy says he will stay. efhmc Oct 2013 #70
"such a difficult task trying to control that bunch of hillbillies" - lol Divine Discontent Oct 2013 #73
But who would replace him? Cantor? (nt) ehrnst Oct 2013 #74
Not if we scream at Boner to pass a budget for the whole year.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #75
Not quite. Teabaggers can still fuck up the process in the Senate jeff47 Oct 2013 #26
sort of. Boehner gave Reid yesterday a document allowing him to skip one of the proceudres, so Cruz robinlynne Oct 2013 #33
And doing that he can still delay it past the debt limit (nt) jeff47 Oct 2013 #36
which is not a real limit. There is enouhg moeny to pay all of our bills through beginning of Novemb robinlynne Oct 2013 #46
I haven't seen that date anywhere except as speculation, have you? n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #57
an ex sec of the treasury on the news hour last night or the night before said it doesn't really hap robinlynne Oct 2013 #69
But 30 hours is too many. We have till midnight tonight. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #55
Not until Sen. Cruz stands down. He could still muck things up. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #54
No, they got a piece of Obamacare so they will be back for more munster69 Oct 2013 #59
Your facts are correct, your opinion is bullshit demwing Oct 2013 #68
Um...I haven't heard one person on the news say this. llmart Oct 2013 #79
Looks like the dems capitulated on Obamacare munster69 Oct 2013 #61
The GOP might not want to try again creeksneakers2 Oct 2013 #71
Bout frigging Time!!! ruffburr Oct 2013 #2
Great news vi5 Oct 2013 #3
99% clean last I saw ChangeUp106 Oct 2013 #4
I hate that stupid can..... a kennedy Oct 2013 #7
*** Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #35
+1 tofuandbeer Oct 2013 #49
LOL! Roland99 Oct 2013 #51
Things are going to start happening to me now awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #53
did they keep the medical device tax - i heard that might get delayed leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #5
No change to the medical device tax Kber Oct 2013 #19
So far, the only reported concessions are jeff47 Oct 2013 #28
actua;;y these should be considered gifts to the democrats. daybranch Oct 2013 #40
It might be throwing a monkey wrench creeksneakers2 Oct 2013 #72
a back handed way of defunding it... CarrieLynne Oct 2013 #63
I hope it is true but what about the nut jobs in the peanut doc03 Oct 2013 #6
could have done this 2 weeks ago warrior1 Oct 2013 #8
Could have done this 2 months ago. Kber Oct 2013 #20
Didn't have to go through this at all. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #42
I sure hope so. I can't take anymore of this. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #10
I hope it is over too for everybody's sake but most of all for the people Liberalynn Oct 2013 #11
Anyone know what time the house is expected to vote?nt sufrommich Oct 2013 #12
Bring in the Battleship Missouri. This is unconditional surrender. We accept. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #13
I'll believe it when it happens, not before. Way too many false hopes. (nt) Paladin Oct 2013 #14
Excellent news if true, B2G Oct 2013 #15
I'll believe it when I see it. n/t ColesCountyDem Oct 2013 #17
This is fantastic news. davidthegnome Oct 2013 #18
USA can fight Terroism all around the world but cant fight terroist in your own house. NT bonniebgood Oct 2013 #21
Sure as hell doesn't help our global stability tavernier Oct 2013 #22
that's been exactly my take too....nt magical thyme Oct 2013 #38
Republicans may now return to burying their heads in the sand and blaming gtar100 Oct 2013 #23
sorry, at this time can't confirm this story. ALSO cnn not reporting it. n/t librechik Oct 2013 #24
I think this may be confirmation from "the Hill" - TBF Oct 2013 #27
yes,but it's not the same bill--changes are reportedly being made librechik Oct 2013 #31
I wasn't sure - TBF Oct 2013 #32
CNN reports that "It's Too Close to Call." Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #45
That's going to be a meme for a looooong time. randome Oct 2013 #52
They deserve it. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #56
So this 16 day long Tea Bagging Opera was basically to ensure those who still had doubts Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #25
From ThinkProgress TrogL Oct 2013 #29
From Bloomberg TrogL Oct 2013 #30
Yep, but he doesn't say if it will pass the Senate first. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #47
Thanx for the $31 billion out of the US economy tea baggers Botany Oct 2013 #34
can we apply this barbaraj Oct 2013 #39
No. HappyMe Oct 2013 #41
Only cost libodem Oct 2013 #50
We should send them the bill for those costs! FailureToCommunicate Oct 2013 #62
Should be at the top libodem Oct 2013 #65
Opening the House up to a vote was the only was this was ever going to happen BainsBane Oct 2013 #60
so the 16 day long poutrage by the repukes is finally over. nt Javaman Oct 2013 #64
"poutrage" such a perfect word to discribe the pukes. Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #78
We, at least they are giving us another chance Turbineguy Oct 2013 #66
The GOP Hostage Crisis is almost over. lpbk2713 Oct 2013 #67
You mean Bandicoot? ( literally PIG-RAT ) srican69 Oct 2013 #76
Scammed by both parties. Again. woo me with science Oct 2013 #77
Your post deserves a K&R idwiyo Oct 2013 #81
Speaker Boehner: Be a man and strip the pork out of the SDjack Oct 2013 #80

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
9. Yeah, for now! We can look forward to going through this all over again two weeks after Christmas.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:14 AM
Oct 2013

A belated Xmas present for the country. Let me thank them ahead of time. GFY !!!!!

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
37. Yes, but,
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:14 AM
Oct 2013

dare we hope that Boehner will be 'put out to pasture' before the next debt ceiling fiasco?

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
43. I just heard someone on TV predict
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:30 AM
Oct 2013

that Boner will retain his job as there is no one to replace him and he'll be forgiven for having such a difficult task trying to control that bunch of hillbillies.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
48. Must be
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:39 AM
Oct 2013

Some reformulated political Viagra to maintain your ability to fuck 'THE PEOPLE' with an artificially inflated, Blackmail Boner. If I didn't despise, Can'tor so much, Orange Boneman, would be first on my hate list.

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
58. But I predict he will be gone after next year.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:09 PM
Oct 2013

A Vet will apparently run for his seat as Ohio voters have more brains than some voters in Texas.

Nov. 2014 can't come soon enough.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
73. "such a difficult task trying to control that bunch of hillbillies" - lol
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:14 PM
Oct 2013

someone has to do it, and I really don't think anyone else would want to! they're so utterly incompetent and straight outta hillbillyland that it's no surprise they want their way or they'll cause destruction. it's what they grew up with!


http://www.zazzle.com/shutdown_the_gop_by_voting_in_2014_government-128195183613839642?rf=238107662556833486

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
75. Not if we scream at Boner to pass a budget for the whole year....
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:44 PM
Oct 2013

That's the norm. That would end all of the debt ceilings and continuing resolutions.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
26. Not quite. Teabaggers can still fuck up the process in the Senate
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:45 AM
Oct 2013

To get through the Senate before we hit the debt limit, everything will have to proceed with unanimous consent. Otherwise, the bill stalls for things like time to debate the bill and add amendments, which themselves need time to debate.

Long story short, Ted Cruz can still fuck this up.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
33. sort of. Boehner gave Reid yesterday a document allowing him to skip one of the proceudres, so Cruz
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:54 AM
Oct 2013

can only stall for a certain number of hours, 30. It's here on DU.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
46. which is not a real limit. There is enouhg moeny to pay all of our bills through beginning of Novemb
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:32 AM
Oct 2013

er. So the damage from the possibility of default is real. The damage from an actual default is not.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
69. an ex sec of the treasury on the news hour last night or the night before said it doesn't really hap
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:19 PM
Oct 2013

happen till November. The "scary date" is just a "scary date".

 

munster69

(107 posts)
59. No, they got a piece of Obamacare so they will be back for more
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:11 PM
Oct 2013

the dems caved on Obamacare

They are making changes to Obamacare, now boner will say he got 98% of what he wanted.
Dems 0
Repugs 1

They will be back for more extortion.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

According to sources, the Senate deal under discussion would reopen the government, funding it until January 15. It would also raise the debt limit until February 7 to avert a possible default on U.S. debt obligations for the first time.

it also would set up budget negotiations between the House and Senate for a long-term spending plan,
and would include a provision to strengthen verification measures for people seeking government subsidies under Obama's signature health care reforms.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
68. Your facts are correct, your opinion is bullshit
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:00 PM
Oct 2013

no way in hell this is a Dem loss, for fucks sake get real.

llmart

(15,539 posts)
79. Um...I haven't heard one person on the news say this.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:29 PM
Oct 2013

The News Hour had two analysts who both said a version of the same thing. "The Republicans got their clocks cleaned" from a reporter with USA Today and the other guy said virtually the same thing only in different terminology. Reporters on NPR said the same thing.

So, I supposed we should listen to you instead?

 

munster69

(107 posts)
61. Looks like the dems capitulated on Obamacare
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:16 PM
Oct 2013

No, they got a piece of Obamacare so they will be back for more

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

According to sources, the Senate deal under discussion would reopen the government, funding it until January 15. It would also raise the debt limit until February 7 to avert a possible default on U.S. debt obligations for the first time.

it also would set up budget negotiations between the House and Senate for a long-term spending plan,
and would include a provision to strengthen verification measures for people seeking government subsidies under Obama's signature health care reforms.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
71. The GOP might not want to try again
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:49 PM
Oct 2013

after seeing how badly it turned out for them this time. Listen to talk radio. The right views the settlement as a disastrous defeat.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
3. Great news
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:10 AM
Oct 2013

Did we give up much if anything in the senate bill? Or is it just a clean bill kicking the can down the road?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
28. So far, the only reported concessions are
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:47 AM
Oct 2013

1) Not raising the debt limit long enough to last until after the next election
2) "Income verification" for ACA subsidies.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
40. actua;;y these should be considered gifts to the democrats.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:22 AM
Oct 2013

Income verification does nothing but repell future republican lies about how democrats are giving the ACA to liars and crooks. So no giving away there!
Second, the debt limit as an organizing vehicle for democrats and a very very hot potato for republicans for many years to come has been established. Replays of the currewnt events will not be kind to republicans who would probably lose the Representatives helped by Gerrymandering in the states , thereby losing the House for many years and further increase the Democratic majority in the House.
We need to brand them now as the traitors and liars they wanted to be to serve their rich bosses.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
72. It might be throwing a monkey wrench
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:55 PM
Oct 2013

into the gears. Right now the Obama care computer system isn't working well. Changing how applicants are qualified will mean going back into the system and making what is probably a major change. I don't know how far this will set the program back but I suspect it will be significant.

CarrieLynne

(497 posts)
63. a back handed way of defunding it...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:28 PM
Oct 2013

make it harder to qualify - less money flowing into the program....

doc03

(35,338 posts)
6. I hope it is true but what about the nut jobs in the peanut
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:13 AM
Oct 2013

gallery? People have been saying he is going to cave for days but the teabaggers somehow
scare him back in line every time. I wonder what will happen with that nut job Cruz? Will he be the teabagger hero or will he just fade away?

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
10. I sure hope so. I can't take anymore of this.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:17 AM
Oct 2013

I depend on my disability check and I've been worried as hell, just like millions of other Americans. These fights over the debt ceiling need to end. I think it should be illegal to handle the country's finances this way. Bring back the Gephardt Rule!

 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
11. I hope it is over too for everybody's sake but most of all for the people
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:20 AM
Oct 2013

who have been getting hurt by all of this.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
15. Excellent news if true,
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:23 AM
Oct 2013

so they'd better get healthcare.gov working soon because the media focus is going to shift to healthcare once it's not covering this mess 24/7.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
18. This is fantastic news.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:32 AM
Oct 2013

Yeah, it's going to kick the can down the road... but it keeps us afloat for a while, enables us to survive without collapsing into complete economic disaster.

tavernier

(12,388 posts)
22. Sure as hell doesn't help our global stability
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:38 AM
Oct 2013

IMO we must look to the world like the guy digging under his couch cushions for change to try to make the rent.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
23. Republicans may now return to burying their heads in the sand and blaming
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:40 AM
Oct 2013

Obama, liberals, and Democrats for everything that disturbs their simple minds.

I hope I'm wrong but I have serious doubts that any republicans learned anything about the absurdity of their own party through this crisis. I've seen too much of their stupidity to believe that anything would knock some sense into them. In other words, I'll believe it when I see it. They will be right back to their same old bullshit in no time at all, hating on the government and supporting hypocrites for public office.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
31. yes,but it's not the same bill--changes are reportedly being made
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:49 AM
Oct 2013

I fear to satisfy the Teeps. I am not encouraged. thanks for the url!

TBF

(32,060 posts)
32. I wasn't sure -
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:53 AM
Oct 2013

that seemed like the best place to look.

They will iron this out and pass it - Wall Street is not amused at this point. Too much $$$ at stake.

On edit - but I get what you're saying - hopefully someone is going over that bill with a fine-tooth comb.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
52. That's going to be a meme for a looooong time.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:54 AM
Oct 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
25. So this 16 day long Tea Bagging Opera was basically to ensure those who still had doubts
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:44 AM
Oct 2013

about the teabagger's sanity. Yes folks they really are that insane.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
50. Only cost
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:47 AM
Oct 2013

A 160 million dollars per day times 14 days. Are these Piles, not the ones who scream about taxpayer dollars being wasted on affordable health care? Better to flush money down the hopper? I don't get it?


Piles autocorrected Pukes, so I kept it.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
62. We should send them the bill for those costs!
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:24 PM
Oct 2013

The loss to (whatever was left of) our esteem in the financial markets of world? Gone for good

libodem

(19,288 posts)
65. Should be at the top
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:50 PM
Oct 2013

Of each and every campaign ad. That's for sure. What a stupid shananagan. They are clueless hypocrites.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
60. Opening the House up to a vote was the only was this was ever going to happen
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:13 PM
Oct 2013

He should know those teabaggers well enough to know that no compromise would satisfy them. They seek nothing less than the destruction of the federal government.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
67. The GOP Hostage Crisis is almost over.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:00 PM
Oct 2013






They have laid down their AK-47's and there's
a light at the end of the tunnel. Americans are
no longer prisoners in their own country.




srican69

(1,426 posts)
76. You mean Bandicoot? ( literally PIG-RAT )
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:47 PM
Oct 2013

Source: Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandicoot

The word itself is often used as a common name for any of them, and is an anglicised form of the Telugu word పందికొక్కు (pandi-kokku), loosely, pig-rat.[1] which originally referred to the unrelated Indian Bandicoot Rat. The other two species of peramelemorphs are the bilbies.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
77. Scammed by both parties. Again.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:57 PM
Oct 2013

It never should have gone this far. The faux fiscal "crisis" should have been utterly rejected by a Democratic President TWO YEARS ago. Let's remember how we got started down this road of sequestrations and shutdowns in the first place. Republicans should have been slapped down hard then. Instead, the axe of sequestration was embraced by Democrats, and we got soaring speeches about eating our peas. None of this should have happened at all. It was orchestrated by corporatists in both parties, and now we have perpetual rule by shock doctrine. This is not a win, except for thieves in both parties. We have been scammed again.

Let's remember this critical point made by DUer, cui bono:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023864395

But what is in the bill being passed is a budget with sequestration. A bill with less spending than Ryan's budget.


And let's repeat a post by leveymg that also explains what is really going on here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3839411

67. It's because this lunacy is all a quite rational way to propel the Center-Right Austerity agenda.

That's precisely why I don't believe this BS about 40 Teahadis being responsible for the "crisis."

A partial shutdown suits the deficit hawks in both parties just fine, since it's been adjusted so it doesn't actually impact payrolls in the military and Intelligence agencies. This is simply austerity and cuts to social programs without anyone having to actually vote for it, and that's making the Center-Right smile.

Of course, they won't allow actual default of the debt - the "threat" of that just another psychological device to make this seem like a real crisis. It's not - it's simply austerity by default.


Every single deal, every single orchestrated crisis, every single shock doctrine scam moves us further into corporate slavery. We are being played by both corporate parties, over and over again.

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
80. Speaker Boehner: Be a man and strip the pork out of the
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:53 PM
Oct 2013

Senate bill. Make the Senate sign on to a Clean bill.

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