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NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:32 PM Oct 2013

The South bashing is getting really old.

Look, the states that make up the old Confederacy aren't perfect. They were the home of some of the most abhorrent racial discrimination in the country and are currently run largely by far right extremists who are determined to screw the lower classes and minorities.

But the bullshit circulating here recently pinning all of our problems as a country on this region is getting tiresome.

The Tea Party isn't exclusive to the South. California has more teabagger representatives in Congress than most individual states in Dixie. Neither is racism--Indiana is a Klan stronghold, and Idaho has a fair concentration of white supremacist preppers.

We have a lot of good progressives in the South, but a broken election system and partisan voter purges keep them from the polls. Some are afraid to be active for fear of reprisal from their communities.

In short, stop demonizing the South. No part of this country is beyond saving, and the South isn't even the worst we have to deal with.

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The South bashing is getting really old. (Original Post) NuclearDem Oct 2013 OP
Hear, Hear! NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #1
The south is such a easy target. texanwitch Oct 2013 #2
Indeed. It's an old meme. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #6
The facts support your post. bvar22 Oct 2013 #132
They make themselves an easy target. Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #9
Oh... like the Boston accent is so accurate. Fawke Em Oct 2013 #105
We deal with what we have. Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #123
I think that "neo-confederate" area went for Obama. Can you explain Boston's 70s busing problems? Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #149
Actually Texas has the most Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #3
yeah, and Ted Cruz is from Canada NightWatcher Oct 2013 #8
AND George W Bush is from Connecticut (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #37
mike lee from utah hopemountain Oct 2013 #59
And Bill Clinton is from Arkansas, and Al Gore is from Tennessee.. pipoman Oct 2013 #68
Yeah BIG DOG... The Icon, The Man Who Does Demand Respect... ChiciB1 Oct 2013 #97
No doubt...the Democratic party has abandoned labor.. pipoman Oct 2013 #124
And LBJ, the last Liberal Democratic President, was from TEXAS! bvar22 Oct 2013 #131
And I Grew Up In Texas! Not Born There, But ChiciB1 Oct 2013 #137
BTW, Is That You?? Forgot To Ask! ChiciB1 Oct 2013 #138
No, that is not me. bvar22 Oct 2013 #140
LOL pipoman Oct 2013 #175
Not Sure I This Is Sarcasm Or Not... ChiciB1 Oct 2013 #181
r u sure you responded to the right post? pipoman Oct 2013 #191
The guy who funds Freedom Works is from Barrington IL (NT) PBass Oct 2013 #130
Well I live in a southern state and I will continue to BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #4
By all means, fight the culture and the mentality. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #10
I'm saying that it won't be changed. BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #14
Racism is regionalism's kissing cousin if not twin, it's the same mentality of "they" Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #28
And the little white churches wipe the humanity BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #32
Another simple answer to a complex question, you would castigate anyone going to a church, I Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #36
Uncle Joe, thank you ChazII Oct 2013 #58
Nailed it. You would think the only folks living in the South were pot-bellied NASCAR whites. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #150
I am former liberal Californian who now lives in Asheville, NC young_at_heart Oct 2013 #5
You are in an oasis DAMANgoldberg Oct 2013 #74
Asheville is a BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL place .. I vacationed there once srican69 Oct 2013 #148
It doesn't really matter, some people just want attention. To even it out... snooper2 Oct 2013 #7
Now New York bashing I can get behind NuclearDem Oct 2013 #13
Some forget NY owns Wall Street and Park Ave houses the biggest criminals influencing politics. nt adirondacker Oct 2013 #63
Texans are learning "shortage" BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #15
we are doing okay...it's been raining for three days snooper2 Oct 2013 #19
Actually, I was thinking about Barnhart BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #25
I don't know where that is, but I dated a girl with that as a last name for a bit snooper2 Oct 2013 #42
Jesus, Austin got swamped! More on the way, and the temp dropped to the 50s today. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #151
If you would stop electing batshit crazy vile idiots in huge numbers to the house, Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #11
I'm actually from Indiana. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #17
The nation is divided largely along the same regional boundaries as the confederacy. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #21
Exactly! The racist energy fueling the Teabaggers is strongest and most prolific in the South. LonePirate Oct 2013 #43
We still suffer from Tom Delay Redistricting Syndrome! That man is more responsible for this Dustlawyer Oct 2013 #53
The Midwest is redder than the South. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #18
No actually it isn't. And it is less populous. But if you find comfort in that theory, go for it. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #33
Take a look. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #40
That projection doesn't include population jeff47 Oct 2013 #129
26 of 47 members of the house teaparty caucus are from the confederacy. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #171
That map is totally misleading cpwm17 Oct 2013 #188
California sent out Darryl Issa, don't forget. Michelle Bachmann is not from the Old South... Hekate Oct 2013 #77
The facts disagree with your opinion: bvar22 Oct 2013 #133
they are fully responsible for the politics and beliefs they have down there quinnox Oct 2013 #12
The cities in Texas are blue. texanwitch Oct 2013 #20
I tend to agree, and have lived in the south all my life. I think we deserve bashing. Hoyt Oct 2013 #23
I note their racism to their faces BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #27
No need to treat the cretins with respect, is my view. Hoyt Oct 2013 #45
Try pointing that out and they complain about being bashed. Warpy Oct 2013 #31
Exactly. The south ought to be ashamed and want to make amends. Hoyt Oct 2013 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog Oct 2013 #166
Who are "they"? Wow, I just lost all respect for you, a long time coming carolinayellowdog Oct 2013 #165
The "South" is doing a pretty good job of that all by themselves. nt madinmaryland Oct 2013 #16
Did you know that Jimmy Carter comes from South Georgia? Fumesucker Oct 2013 #26
Did you know my mother came from the South? madinmaryland Oct 2013 #30
Carter was no saint back then. Like/respect him a lot nowadays. Hoyt Oct 2013 #55
I get it but... Egnever Oct 2013 #22
Seen more overt racial bias in NYC than Charleston, SC. Tribalism dies hard. tillikum Oct 2013 #24
And yet SC is one of the 29 States that still have legalized discrimination against Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #107
well the beauty of the internet and it's chat rooms are that its anecdotal tillikum Oct 2013 #122
Some people just need a villain Boom Sound 416 Oct 2013 #163
NY State also has Wall Street YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #177
You think that mitigates the discrimintory laws and culture of Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #185
Truth! Boom Sound 416 Oct 2013 #161
Can we blame Nixon and Karl Rove for making the South a conservative stronghold? starroute Oct 2013 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author LumosMaxima Oct 2013 #34
My question is, what does it accomplish here? Shaming fellow DUers? Swell. nolabear Oct 2013 #35
Some people here may just be filled with hate, rage and ignorance but I have no doubt others are Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #38
I agree Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #96
I have to agree with you. cordelia Oct 2013 #101
I personally boycott all the States that have legal discrimination against my people Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #110
Why are you excusing your own bigotry? cordelia Oct 2013 #119
So your contention is that I am a bigot because I object to discrimination Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #186
Because emotion overrules reason or logic, it had to be that way for our species to survive. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #173
+1 1000words Oct 2013 #39
Some people on DU want to legitimize their hatred by pointing to "facts" about the hated "Other." Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #141
Yes, Florida is south and we gave Obama the vote last election. Incitatus Oct 2013 #41
Florida has a larger population of retired folks from the NE. eilen Oct 2013 #88
Yeah. Like Northeast Puerto Rico. The "native" population includes blacks and Hispanics. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #152
I know of a couple wealthy Republicans who maintain primary residence here for tax reasons. Incitatus Oct 2013 #193
I live in kansas and refuse to defend the state and it's GOP idiots, so... Logical Oct 2013 #44
I'm a northerner, and I couldn't agree more. cristianmarie533 Oct 2013 #46
It should also be noted that 3 of the last 4 Democratic Presidents Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #70
LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton -- all good Democrats, all from the South Hekate Oct 2013 #78
Tennessee Williams was from the South, a great litearary genius of the South Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #114
Let's not forget the female writers, Kate Chopin, Zora Neale Hurston, Carson McCullers... Hekate Oct 2013 #134
Paraphrasing, Hurston said generations ago the future of America can be seen in South Florida. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #143
I agree, but when you have loudmouth Republicans especially in Texas davidpdx Oct 2013 #48
Yes, Texas has leaders now that are so bad like Perry and Cruz mc51tc Oct 2013 #56
Don't forget that here in Texas we have the Castro brothers, Wendy Davis, and ... Tx4obama Oct 2013 #82
To be fair, the US, yes the US, is a collection of balkanized states nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #49
The South? Hell,that is a liberal stronghold compared to the I-35 corridor in OK and KS. Rain Mcloud Oct 2013 #50
I get the sense that many southern states are nearing a tipping point paulkienitz Oct 2013 #51
I agree. The SOUTH is ripe for a Democratic Party picking, bvar22 Oct 2013 #156
Then stop sending these assholes to DC. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #52
What I found out is ohheckyeah Oct 2013 #57
That's good advice. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #62
My brother has gone from being a fire breathing ohheckyeah Oct 2013 #72
You are doing a fantastic job being an ambassador to your own family Hekate Oct 2013 #79
Thank you.... ohheckyeah Oct 2013 #136
thanks for this truth noiretextatique Oct 2013 #139
Your map is good for those stuck in the Binary mode of Thinking. bvar22 Oct 2013 #153
Thank you, i was looking for that one, actually. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #154
Thank You "bvar22" This Map Shows the EMBEDS...It's Everywhere...and KoKo Oct 2013 #160
Good Map... I Saw A Couple That Showed A Lot ChiciB1 Oct 2013 #182
Agreed. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #54
"Hate" to say it, but... RosettaStoned77 Oct 2013 #60
"Indiana is a Klan stronghold" Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #61
California has more everything everywhere, but ... melody Oct 2013 #64
When they stop electing scumbags like Gohmert, Gingrey, Kingston, Rubio, Vitter, Nanjing to Seoul Oct 2013 #65
So then you'll also bash Minnesota - Bachmann, cordelia Oct 2013 #98
Um there is a difference between Minnesota electing one or two bat shit Puglover Oct 2013 #109
Bachmann is from a single district of insane people Minnesota also sends to DC Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #112
What is this? "Be sensitive to bigots week?" When the South loses its well earned Rep of being Nanjing to Seoul Oct 2013 #172
eh, I have lived in Texas a long time Skittles Oct 2013 #66
Explain this. longship Oct 2013 #67
Shameful. And the Teabaggers who salute that thing pretend to be the "real" Americans. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #75
It was removed in 2000. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #76
What took them so long? nt longship Oct 2013 #80
Google and read for yourself. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #83
This issue was resolved in 1865. longship Oct 2013 #84
Except that the picture you provided was from almost 14 years ago. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #85
Okay. Explain this. longship Oct 2013 #86
They, like many bigots, are stuck in the past. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #87
Do you know which states those people are from? bvar22 Oct 2013 #189
See? It will never be enough, no matter what we do, cordelia Oct 2013 #94
I thought only Southerners wanted to re-fight the Civil War. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #155
The South bashing the rest of the country? upi402 Oct 2013 #69
K&R Jamastiene Oct 2013 #71
Not it's not. n/t miyazaki Oct 2013 #73
Yes it is. cordelia Oct 2013 #89
Bashing the South doesn't mean we think it's beyond saving. It means we think it sucks... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #81
I can't criticize the South... I live in Michigan. 'Nuff said. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2013 #90
I think a lot of it has to do with the bible belt. B Calm Oct 2013 #91
Get used to it....the only thing worse than living in the South ileus Oct 2013 #92
Let "The South" secede. Give the states from AZ to FL one year... stlsaxman Oct 2013 #93
What have you got against New Mexico? CBGLuthier Oct 2013 #95
Snort! Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #100
But don't you see? Sissyk Oct 2013 #128
I find posts like this rather interesting. kentauros Oct 2013 #102
Yeah, all those African Americans and Native Americans in the south JoeyT Oct 2013 #108
Excellent. cordelia Oct 2013 #118
Anyone wishing to uproot a black N. Florida land-owner should approach the porch with caution. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #144
Virginians feel just as American as anyone; more so in longevity (except the Indians) carolinayellowdog Oct 2013 #167
Attitudes about "The South" may be because "The South" is 'bowdacious*' HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #99
Nice analysis! kentauros Oct 2013 #104
The poorest States in the Union are 'Kings of the Hill'? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #111
Well, make a straw-man, it's your liberty...I was talking about THE REGION HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #147
The entire region depends on tax dollars from Blue States Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #184
Non Sequitur? What has income to do with identity, and cultural/political influence? HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #187
CA has 3 Tea Baggers out of 53 Reps. Texas? 11 out of 36. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #103
Frankly the day I see a Southern state go from red to blue Puglover Oct 2013 #106
As a southerner, I appreciate... Whiskeytide Oct 2013 #113
After being relentlessly abused as a Virginian, someone like you FINALLY carolinayellowdog Oct 2013 #168
You've seen it MFrohike Oct 2013 #176
I don't actually mind the bashing. JoeyT Oct 2013 #115
well said! Phentex Oct 2013 #145
I understand why people are so disgusted with southern politicians; LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #116
For those who think sulphurdunn Oct 2013 #117
Of course there are progressives in the South treestar Oct 2013 #120
so DO something about it instead of tolerating it and making excuses. As long as there is a problem librechik Oct 2013 #121
One of the reasons I like Wendy Davis Patiod Oct 2013 #125
well, of course i adore certain liberal Southerners, and all of them, politically. librechik Oct 2013 #127
You are part of the problem. Quit singling out a whole region of whites, blacks, Hispanics... Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #146
so are you. librechik Oct 2013 #183
Wrong. You want an "approved" target for your frustrations Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #192
lol--since you know what I want librechik Oct 2013 #194
Sounds like your getting plenty of what you want now. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #195
now you are psychoanalyzing the imaginary person you think you know. librechik Oct 2013 #196
Toying with the mentally unstable" probably is why many view the condition as stigma. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #197
Yes. WHERE is this idea coming from?Why do people think the American south is politically backwards? PassingFair Oct 2013 #126
Precinct Map of the 2008 election: bvar22 Oct 2013 #135
Cool in theory but not a practical example of public opinion. Each precinct does not have the same Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #142
I like Duval Co./Jax in N.E. Fla ("Redneck capital of the World") +/- one million. Now blue. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #157
Yes, but what kind of blue? A traditional Democrat is not progressive on social issues. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #158
It's getting better. The Sheriff was arrested/beaten during the 1960 race riots. Progress. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #159
13/18 U.S. House seats in PA are teabaggers. The governor is a stupid teabagger. One U.S. Senator AlinPA Oct 2013 #162
Southerners are Easy Bashing for Dems in Power Circles...as if we are Tea Partiers... KoKo Oct 2013 #164
Don't hold your breath wating for Southern-bashing to stop. ladyVet Oct 2013 #169
long past time for us all to leave carolinayellowdog Oct 2013 #170
You're only doomed if you own a gun (to round it out)! Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #198
I lived in the south for several years and hated it ... etherealtruth Oct 2013 #174
Good try. But I imagine the bigots who bash the South renie408 Oct 2013 #178
This^^ pecwae Oct 2013 #190
Lot of Yankee transplants in those gerrymandered districts in the South pstokely Oct 2013 #179
Bash Arizona instead JonLP24 Oct 2013 #180

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
2. The south is such a easy target.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:35 PM
Oct 2013

There are republican office holders from all the states.

How did they get there, someone voted for them.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
6. Indeed. It's an old meme.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:38 PM
Oct 2013

Except it's an urban vs. rural dichotomy now, not North vs. South. Plenty of countryside to be had, and consequently plenty of far right voters and racists.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
132. The facts support your post.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:20 PM
Oct 2013

[font color=white]..............................................[/font][font size=1](Precinct Map of the 2008 election)[/font]




...but Hatin on the South is Bigotry that is still applauded at DU.

Baitball Blogger

(46,723 posts)
9. They make themselves an easy target.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:39 PM
Oct 2013

I live in a Repub community and I spent years listening to city tapes. The drawls and twangs are hard to overlook.

Baitball Blogger

(46,723 posts)
123. We deal with what we have.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:43 AM
Oct 2013

The kind of corruption you might find in Boston is different than the kind of corruption you might find in Orlando. Here there are strong signs of pursuing a neo-confederate way of life. And by that I mean, they do not respect the Fourteenth Amendment.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
149. I think that "neo-confederate" area went for Obama. Can you explain Boston's 70s busing problems?
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:02 PM
Oct 2013

I think region-bashing becomes tedious when arguments devolve into the "kinds" of corruption in one area vs. another.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,010 posts)
3. Actually Texas has the most
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:38 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:24 PM - Edit history (1)

But I get your point. Boehner's from Ohio, Paul Ryan's from Wisconsin and Steve King's from Iowa for example.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
97. Yeah BIG DOG... The Icon, The Man Who Does Demand Respect...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:26 AM
Oct 2013

can bring Democrats together than any other I've seen in the modern era... BUT, one thing that has always stuck in my craw!

DLC! And then NAFTA! It did start something that upset me at the time and does to this day. Don't get me wrong, I worked for his election big time each time... but ALWAYS knew I was to the left of him. I love that Al Gore brought awareness to Climate Change, a serious subject that needed attention long before he was able to push & define the issue.

But let's not forget NRDC, GreenPeace, National Wildlife Federation and on and on. But kudos to Gore for his dedication to our environment. Yes, these men both can add a long list of issues to their resume, but I was and have been distressed by the DLC.

I of course know, I'm not included in the "middle ground progressives" consider myself a liberal, but do know how very much my family benefited from UNIONS for so many Americans who were unable to grab that ring and go onto college. Unions had/have their corruption issues, never disputed... but compared to the overall GREED and turning back the clock to the Robber Barons of the past, which is worse?

Living where I do perhaps I've let cynicism grab me and pull me down, but I can honestly say I never stopped working to help the common man. Unfortunately I live in a very rich county that is Ruby Red and I've now tired of butting my head against the wall. I'm distressed to see that the generations that have come behind me, including my own grandson, going to FSU, my grand-daughter going to a local college, know so very little about what goes on in D.C. and really could give a rat's ass. It amazes me what THEY DON'T KNOW, and heavens knows I DO give them lessons all the time. They listen for a while, agree a lot about issues, but they don't want to get involved.

And so it goes.


 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
124. No doubt...the Democratic party has abandoned labor..
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:47 AM
Oct 2013

a decision that will, sooner or later, come home to roost..

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
131. And LBJ, the last Liberal Democratic President, was from TEXAS!
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:12 PM
Oct 2013

Along with Ann Richards,
Molly Ivans
Bill Moyers,
Jim Hightower,
and THIS guy:

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
137. And I Grew Up In Texas! Not Born There, But
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:52 PM
Oct 2013

moved to FL because my husband's father retired, & moved back to his home state. My husband was born in Tampa. What a trade off, huh?

I actually met Molly Ivins, but it was here in Florida close to the time she passed away. As army brats, we lived at Ft. Hood for an extended period of time. Graduated from school in Killeen, TX and actually settled down there until I was 28! Ivins stomping grounds were Austin, about the only place I can deal with anymore. One of my sister's still lives in Cedar Park outside of Austin. BUT, she drank the Kool-Aid and is a fundamentalist Christian who thinks Obama is the Anti-Christ.

We get along extremely well, but she knows how I feel. She knows I talk trash about her, and she admits she does the same about me. Politically we couldn't be further apart. I took that test that was on here yesterday and I'm a Bleeding Heart Liberal! Of the 6 girls in our family, we were the closest in age and actually went to the same high school together. I go back for all my class re-unions and see her friends and mine. She graduated the year I was a freshman, but we do have memories in common which keep us close.

It works, but probably not if I was still living there. My parents were strong Democrats & most of my other sisters, but I've always been the political activist and sort of the black sheep! And PROUD OF IT!

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
138. BTW, Is That You?? Forgot To Ask!
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:53 PM
Oct 2013

We've been around DU for a long, long time, I remember you well. Old Elm Tree & All!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
140. No, that is not me.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:00 PM
Oct 2013

That is an anonymous Texas Liberal outside the Governor's Mansion in Austin back when Bush was President.





 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
175. LOL
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:06 PM
Oct 2013

Yep..the whole demonize the south thing is actually culture war based on stereotypes...some people have hated every neighbor they have ever had too..

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
181. Not Sure I This Is Sarcasm Or Not...
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:26 AM
Oct 2013

Let me be clear. I said I pretty much grew up in Texas, I live in Florida now (maybe not real south) but I also have MANY SOUTHERN friends and neighbors and get along with them well. And for the record, I'm not the one screaming about southern states. There is a map somewhere from the last election that breaks down RED/BLUE. The amount of red is astounding, and not only in the south. If one where to look at the map, at first glance it would be impossible to imagine that Obama actually won the election! True, I was SHOCKED when he took Florida, happy but can't deny my shock.

Partly because of where I live here, the affluent per capita income of this county and the people who vacation here and the many celebrities who own 2nd homes here. BTW, I'm far, far away from being ONE of them. Still, I can ride down to the beach (gulf) and see a long winding road of very expensive houses. I've met & seen Steven King who rides his bike on that road. Sounds like I'm some sort of "name dropper" but no way! Just explaining. Many, many top tennis players call this place home away from home. I know King is no "right winger" but boy are there a LOT of them here! And you can spot them rather quickly if you've lived here long enough.

I don't think I recall anytime when this county went blue. Maybe Clinton squeaked by once, and also Obama, but don't think either quite made. Not sure. But since Obama's last election things here turned very nasty and it hasn't stopped.

Bottom line though, I think where one should TRULY point the finger of WHY the south has the perception it has, is because of THE MEDIA! I'm not sure a good argument could be given against their influence in this fact.

True, I find most of Texas difficult for me, but Austin is a great place. I hear the state is turning more purple, that's great.

As for MY close neighbors, and I've lived in this same house for a LONG time... for some reason there's a clan of liberals, Democrats and middle to left Independents. Strange, but I like it. Not to say that I haven't had signs stolen from my yard. My little enclave is small, most came from middle class (Union) backgrounds and I do like living here. If I were to get on the road and drive inward, well... there would be a, what many would call "very redneck" mud bogging, not so politically informed abundance of people. It is what it is.

So enough, not deriding the south, but I didn't give them a "red state" reputation.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
4. Well I live in a southern state and I will continue to
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:38 PM
Oct 2013

bash the mentality that pervades most of the people. In many cases it seems inbred. I quit trying to work with the democratic party here because I was told straight to my face that they did what they did here and they would not be changing, no matter what.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
10. By all means, fight the culture and the mentality.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:41 PM
Oct 2013

I'm not saying it would be easy to change, but nothing is going to get better if we all collectively decide to wash our hands of an entire region.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
14. I'm saying that it won't be changed.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:44 PM
Oct 2013

They like what they are doing and too stupid to know they are killing themselves.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
28. Racism is regionalism's kissing cousin if not twin, it's the same mentality of "they"
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:58 PM
Oct 2013

As if "they" weren't human, in case of the former, all judgment is based on skin color, and the latter it's because someone was born and/or lives where they do.

Ignorance and fear posing simple answers to complex questions make for a dull mind.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
36. Another simple answer to a complex question, you would castigate anyone going to a church, I
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:06 PM
Oct 2013

guess that means Jimmy Carter and Martin Luther King are/were beyond hope?

ChazII

(6,205 posts)
58. Uncle Joe, thank you
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:37 AM
Oct 2013

for pointing this fact out. These men were great leaders both in civil rights and in their religious community.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
150. Nailed it. You would think the only folks living in the South were pot-bellied NASCAR whites.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:05 PM
Oct 2013

And I'm one of those, too.

young_at_heart

(3,768 posts)
5. I am former liberal Californian who now lives in Asheville, NC
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:38 PM
Oct 2013

I think I may be in an "oasis" but I am want to think that some of us newcomers may be able to facilitate positive changes throughout the state.....at least I'm hoping for this to happen!!

DAMANgoldberg

(1,278 posts)
74. You are in an oasis
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:53 AM
Oct 2013

As a long-term resident of Charlotte, I can vouch for this, despite our heaping of hizzoner on the rest of the state. I apologize for McCrory.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
7. It doesn't really matter, some people just want attention. To even it out...
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:39 PM
Oct 2013

I usually post a bad ass video, but this thread calls for a funny




A Texan, a Russian and a New Yorker go into a restaurant in London.

"Excuse me, but if you were going to order the steak, I'm afraid there's a shortage due to the mad cow disease," says the waiter.

The Texan says, "What's a shortage?"

The Russian says, "What's a steak?"

The New Yorker says, "What's 'excuse me'?"

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
19. we are doing okay...it's been raining for three days
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:52 PM
Oct 2013


You ever check out the demographics of the Dallas metroplex?

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
25. Actually, I was thinking about Barnhart
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:55 PM
Oct 2013

and what do you mean about the metroplex demographics. I lived there for a few years

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
151. Jesus, Austin got swamped! More on the way, and the temp dropped to the 50s today.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:10 PM
Oct 2013

An entire tour bus got swept down a "wet weather" creek; fortunately everyone got out okay. A friend of mine had to clear out in the middle of the night, and her car had only the roof showing. I only have to worry about a 2-gallon roof leak! More rain on the way.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
11. If you would stop electing batshit crazy vile idiots in huge numbers to the house,
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:42 PM
Oct 2013

creating a total cluster fuck such as we have right now, we would be happy to stop blaming the former confederacy for being at least partially responsible for this mess.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
17. I'm actually from Indiana.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:47 PM
Oct 2013

And I'm not absolving anyone of putting crazies in Congress, but the constant berating of an entire region when many other states are only marginally better is but disingenuous and aggravating.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
21. The nation is divided largely along the same regional boundaries as the confederacy.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:53 PM
Oct 2013

That split has accelerated since the civil rights movement of the 60's and went nuclear after the nation elected an African American president. The insanity is not confined to the former confederacy, but that is where it is strongest and where the infection breeds.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
43. Exactly! The racist energy fueling the Teabaggers is strongest and most prolific in the South.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:17 PM
Oct 2013

I am not going to turn a blind eye to the root of the problem in contemporary American politics which is the powerful and concentrated Republican base in the South.

Also, with maybe one or two exceptions, almost all of the Republican Congressional reps from CA (assholes one and all) are not as rabid or as racist as the ones from the South.

Fortunately demographics are slowly changing Texas which seems to be the heart of this beast. With enough time and money, we can attack the problem head on in Texas and turn the state blue in 2020 or maybe even in 2016 if Hillary were to run. She would sweep several of the states repulsive Congressional reps as well.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
53. We still suffer from Tom Delay Redistricting Syndrome! That man is more responsible for this
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:23 AM
Oct 2013

than anyone! If you really want to help, support Wendy Davis for Governor! That would do more than anything to jump start the Democrats here. Add in the Castro brothers and then we will have something!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
129. That projection doesn't include population
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:35 AM
Oct 2013

A lot of those big red areas in the midwest on your map are one or two representatives in the House. Because those big red areas are relatively empty.

Meanwhile, there's blue cities in the south, but the rural areas are far more populated. With teabaggers.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
171. 26 of 47 members of the house teaparty caucus are from the confederacy.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:18 PM
Oct 2013

I did not include border states, if I did the numbers are much worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus

I'm sorry if the plain facts are uncomfortable.


 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
188. That map is totally misleading
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:27 PM
Oct 2013

We have one person, one vote elections in the US; not one acre, one vote. Those bright red areas in the center and west are very sparsely populated.

Even though there is much truth to some of the criticisms of the South, I must say that region bashing does often go way too far on DU – along with other types of bigotries.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
77. California sent out Darryl Issa, don't forget. Michelle Bachmann is not from the Old South...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:36 AM
Oct 2013

... and neither is Sarah Palin. Not all Morans wave the Confederate flag.

There is plenty of blame to go around.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
12. they are fully responsible for the politics and beliefs they have down there
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:42 PM
Oct 2013

and its largely backwards beliefs and backwards politics. That doesn't mean they are all right wingers, but its a fact the big majority of them are, they keep sending their right wingers to congress, and that alone has a huge negative impact on this country.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
20. The cities in Texas are blue.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:52 PM
Oct 2013

The countryside not so much.

I have never voted for a republican in all my voting years.

Lots of people in non southern states do vote republican.

Cruz wasn't born in Texas, Bush either.

I don't blame democrats in other states for the republicans in congress.

Remember a lot of republicans moved to Texas for jobs.

Lots of them.

I know, I worked elections for along time.

Both as a precinct judge and at early voting.

I have seen a lot of out of state drivers licenses.

We had Billy Hobby as Lt. Governor for 18 years before Bush became governor.

That is a long time in that job.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
23. I tend to agree, and have lived in the south all my life. I think we deserve bashing.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:54 PM
Oct 2013

Maybe other regions do too, but accepting/excusing this bigoted stupidity here really won't improve anything.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
27. I note their racism to their faces
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:58 PM
Oct 2013

and don't back down. I'm not nasty, just factual; as in, oh, of course you are a racist.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
31. Try pointing that out and they complain about being bashed.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:00 PM
Oct 2013

The south as a whole has a little introspection to do about why people in the rest of the country have a low opinion of it.

Of course, that's hard. It's far easier to play the victim.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
47. Exactly. The south ought to be ashamed and want to make amends.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:43 PM
Oct 2013

That freaks em out, and they tell you how they weren't here back when racism and talibanesque behavior were overt. Then they turn on hate radio and make a sick comment about the poor, Obama, and liberals, or switch topics to the AR15s they bought to put one in every room of their house in the event of a home invasion.

Response to Warpy (Reply #31)

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
165. Who are "they"? Wow, I just lost all respect for you, a long time coming
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:41 PM
Oct 2013

So many "progressive" DUers I've stood up for and rec'd against the onslaught of centrist bullies. You damn well won't stand up for me when the bullying is regional so FUCK YOU.

Virginia has two Democratic senators, is about to have a return to Democratic governance, has voted for Obama twice. I'm a lifelong Democratic voter, but too far left to be a Democrat anymore. I'm gay, involved in environmentalism, have friends all over the country none of whom express this disgusting Othering towards me for the state I live in...

and come to DU and the "they're all alike, they're all to blame, stereotype 'em, scapegoat `em, humiliate 'em, and HOUND THEM OUT OF DU" never stops, never. I give up. Even in a thread devoted so solidarity and support people like you I felt friendly to have to come in and shit on us.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
22. I get it but...
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:53 PM
Oct 2013

the south is an easy target.

Comparing California to the south is silly. 25% of California's reps are pukes that doesnt compare in any way to the south where the ratio is closer to 85% puke. For every puke vote California puts in congress they put in 3 Dem votes. Thankfully California negates a large part of the south.

Sure there are a lot of great folks in the south but they are horribly outnumbered by people to send bat shit crazy people to congress.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
107. And yet SC is one of the 29 States that still have legalized discrimination against
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:01 AM
Oct 2013

LGBT people in housing, employment and the rendering of services, while NY State has marriage equality. Chew on that. Additionally, every Southern State keeps those anti gay laws on the books, not all of the 29 States are Southern, but all Southern States are among that 29.
But you were saying that you have 'seen' otherwise....so many say so many things.

 

tillikum

(105 posts)
122. well the beauty of the internet and it's chat rooms are that its anecdotal
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:31 AM
Oct 2013

shared experiences and all but thanks!

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
163. Some people just need a villain
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:39 PM
Oct 2013

And it's often rooted on a narcissist national pride thing. "I live here and because I chose to live here nothing could be wrong with it. The reason why it's going to hell in a hand basket is because of you people and the shit you pile on us"

Like Florida is the only SYG state
Racism is encapsulated by a 150 year old dead boundary and on and on.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
177. NY State also has Wall Street
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:29 PM
Oct 2013

Chew on that.

Also, social oppression need not be formally legalized. Did the dismantling of Jim Crow end racism? Of course not.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
185. You think that mitigates the discrimintory laws and culture of
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:17 PM
Oct 2013

other States? What does NY have to do with the anti gay laws in the every Southern State? Nothing.
Every Southern State is on the list of 29 States that allow discrimination against minorities they don't like. Don't expect praise for that, and don't expect my custom either. This does not mean you have the market cornered or that the North is superior, it means this: Every single State in the South allows legal discrimination against minorities they don't like. So do a few non Southern States, other Red States.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
161. Truth!
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:34 PM
Oct 2013

Speaking as a southerner who lives in NYC.

I love my town and it's the nicest big city I've ever been, but damn, it's pretty friggin segregated here.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
29. Can we blame Nixon and Karl Rove for making the South a conservative stronghold?
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:59 PM
Oct 2013

Nixon started it with his Southern strategy, of course. Just as the South was starting to emerge from a hundred years of isolation and become part of the modern world, Nixon told them that he loved them just the way they were. So not only did Southerners move over the the Republican Party in large numbers, but they brought their most regressive attitudes with them. That didn't have to happen -- it happened because it was to the Republicans' advantage.

Then starting twenty years ago, Karl Rove determined that it should be possible to systematically eliminate the remaining Democratic office holders in the South and turn it almost solidly Republican, with the exception of a few isolated areas that are rural, black, and desperately poor. This isn't something people generally pin on Rove -- but I became aware of it when looking into Rove's connections with the US Attorney scandal and the prosecution of Don Siegelman.

Once again, the South doesn't have to be the way it is. It doesn't have to be poor and backwards and anti-union and ready to whore itself out to any corporation looking to build auto factories or atomic power plants. But it's been kept that way because it's to certain people's advantage -- not just in economic terms but also in terms of building a power base and insulating it against any progressive impulses that might crack the system wide open.

The South has been victimized over and over. It's flaws have been exploited ruthlessly and its virtues have been used against it. And until we start asking who benefits by that and where the lines of power run, we won't be able to understand what's been going on in the country as a whole.

Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
35. My question is, what does it accomplish here? Shaming fellow DUers? Swell.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:04 PM
Oct 2013

I have nothing, NOTHING against calling out specific government representatives and people who demonstrate all the things we at DU supposedly hate - Bigotry, lack of empathy, tribalism, willful blindness to the good in people, broad-brushing, - but using those very things here is just as pointless and divides what should be a cohesive party that can work together for the good of all.

But, you know, that's me. And you all know where I was raised.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
38. Some people here may just be filled with hate, rage and ignorance but I have no doubt others are
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:09 PM
Oct 2013

here to "divide and conquer" that's the Republicans' modus operandi.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
96. I agree
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:09 AM
Oct 2013

but sadly I think it is more due to hate, rage and ignorance, with a sprinkling of ye old divide and conquer. What I do not get is why do some feel they have to match the vitriol of the very people they despise. Personally I could never become that way. It is in a way an admission of personal defeat because you are letting those you oppose actually dictate your emotions and reactions. IMO.

cordelia

(2,174 posts)
101. I have to agree with you.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:36 AM
Oct 2013

The ignorance is astounding, exceeded by the hate and bigotry.

I'm not sure what they're trying to accomplish.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
110. I personally boycott all the States that have legal discrimination against my people
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:07 AM
Oct 2013

There are 29 such States, not all are in the South, but every Southern State has those anti gay laws. The ignorant bigotry of the cultures, peoples and governments that keeps such hateful laws on their books is clear, horrific and must be answered by good people. To look the other way at vicious prejudice is to be part of that bigoted culture.
Stop excusing bigotry.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
186. So your contention is that I am a bigot because I object to discrimination
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:21 PM
Oct 2013

against my people? I must accept that bigotry or I am the bigot? Are you serious? You think I owe my custom to places that treat my people as less than human?
Those of you who refuse to stand up against that evil discrimination allow it to continue. Those anti gay laws are wrong. To defend or excuse them is wrong.
I will never agree with you that States have the right to practice discrimination against minority groups with impunity, I will always criticize that shite. Sorry if it crimps your culture. Not.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
173. Because emotion overrules reason or logic, it had to be that way for our species to survive.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:26 PM
Oct 2013

When an early cave person was threatened with danger, there was little to no time in surmising whether they should climb up a tree or not.

It had to be an instinctive decision based on fear to increase chances of survival, emotion overruling reason is built in to our DNA.

It's a circle or triangle, emotion overrules reason, reason overrules faith and faith overrules emotion.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
141. Some people on DU want to legitimize their hatred by pointing to "facts" about the hated "Other."
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:29 PM
Oct 2013

We can always find plenty of "facts" to condemn every state, from Florida to Minnesota. We can do the same thing to condemn blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and Gays.

And all those facts are probably true. That is the foul beauty of prejudice and bigotry. We can always find "facts."

There is a swollen chancre on DU's body politic which seeks to condemn not just other DUers, but whole swaths of people outside of our little enclave. By the millions they are condemned on the altar of Shame. On the outside, their thinking is that if you Shame some group of people long enough, they will change. Ha. My impression is that when millions of people are Shamed, they...

DIG IN AND RESIST.

Perhaps therein is the real reason for so much hateful bashing of people: the desire to confront and engage in the same kind of violent murder-mouthing they hear from individuals and groups who bash racial, religious and life-status groups. Only, here on DU, the animosity is aimed at whole geographic regions. Maybe these folks here think that a geographic line, like the Mason-Dixon, insulates them from the same kind of condemnation a racist or sexist might receive. But it doesn't. It's the same game: Hate whole regions...

And find the "facts" to back you up.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
41. Yes, Florida is south and we gave Obama the vote last election.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:14 PM
Oct 2013

We have more than our fair share of crazies and **** Scott is our governor, but we had enough people turn out to help keep McCain/Palin out of office. You make a good point on voter suppression, Florida would also have given Gore the vote in 2000 without it.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
88. Florida has a larger population of retired folks from the NE.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:21 AM
Oct 2013

There is a reason it is dubbed "The Transient State" as it was often the haven for those going bankrupt who wanted to keep some property. But they also have their hardcore republican native population. The over 65 cohort trend conservative in their voting habits.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
193. I know of a couple wealthy Republicans who maintain primary residence here for tax reasons.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:29 PM
Oct 2013

I assume there's quite a few of them.

 

cristianmarie533

(51 posts)
46. I'm a northerner, and I couldn't agree more.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:34 PM
Oct 2013

It's worth noting that Ronald Reagan, a major hero for the GOP and Tea Party, was born in Illinois and lived in California for much of his life.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
70. It should also be noted that 3 of the last 4 Democratic Presidents
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:46 AM
Oct 2013

have come from the South (Johnson, Carter, Clinton), while the last 4 Republican presidents have all come from outside the South (although bu$h Jr. had spent most of his adult life in Texas and his father spent much of his adult life there, but both attended Ivy League schools).

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
78. LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton -- all good Democrats, all from the South
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:38 AM
Oct 2013

Thanks for saying this for me.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
114. Tennessee Williams was from the South, a great litearary genius of the South
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:27 AM
Oct 2013

Sadly all Southern States maintain laws on their books allowing discrimination against gay people like Williams. Or like Truman Capote. Ironic that their finest minds are subject to termination and eviction for daring to be gay and reside in the South.
Some regions might embrace equality because of having such famous residents who are also so famously gay. But not the South! Hell no.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
134. Let's not forget the female writers, Kate Chopin, Zora Neale Hurston, Carson McCullers...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:30 PM
Oct 2013

... Harper Lee, and more.

Southern writers black and white, male and female, gay and straight, fill an enormous book case of their own in the library of great American literature. Where would we all be without their voices?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
143. Paraphrasing, Hurston said generations ago the future of America can be seen in South Florida.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:40 PM
Oct 2013

Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings wrote about what was slipping away, Hurston about what was coming on. Did you know that Hurston spent the night at Rawlings' Cross Creek home? Pretty edgy stuff in 1940s North Florida. Of course, Rawlings also held salon with the likes of Frost and the president of GE. I grew up in the same county, and always swing by to visit Rawlings' place. Wonderful tangerines from her old 1930s grove.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
48. I agree, but when you have loudmouth Republicans especially in Texas
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:59 PM
Oct 2013

it's hard not to take shots at them. Yesterday there was a story about wacko saying that California, Massachusetts, New York, and Connecticut should secede.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014620729

I don't hate Texas, I hate the people who are wackos in Texas. I did jokingly say maybe we should give Texas back to Mexico and then again jokingly that it would be too cruel.

I know these people are just a small minority of people in southern states that like to blather like idiots for attention.

Even parts of Oregon were notoriously bad back even back in the early 80's when I lived there.

mc51tc

(219 posts)
56. Yes, Texas has leaders now that are so bad like Perry and Cruz
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:32 AM
Oct 2013

but it has not always been that way. Texas was the home of the great Speaker of the House, Sam Rayburn, who would not take a donation larger than $25.00. He was known as Mr. Sam and was very respected. Almost too honest to be in politics.

Also, LBJ twisted arms that gave us Medicare, Medicaid, PBS, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, the Great Society, the War on Poverty. When was the last time you ever heard a President even mention the word "poverty" since his time. So without someone from Texas, these programs more than likely would have had a much harder time becoming the law of the land.

Yes, it is very hard to live in Texas as a Democrat these days living with so many current wackos. Our so called leaders are just nuts. It is very understandable why most of the rest of country hates us. However, I know of many Texans that are currently ashamed to call this home.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
82. Don't forget that here in Texas we have the Castro brothers, Wendy Davis, and ...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:54 AM
Oct 2013

... here in the fourth largest city in the USA - Houston - we have as our mayor Annise Parker (one of the first openly gay mayors in The USA).

In my opinion Texas is more Purple these days than it is red.



 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
49. To be fair, the US, yes the US, is a collection of balkanized states
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:13 AM
Oct 2013

and it is getting worst, not better.

There are good books on the subject, but it is not just the South. It is a collection of seven dominant cultures that at times do not get along. This is one of those moment.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
50. The South? Hell,that is a liberal stronghold compared to the I-35 corridor in OK and KS.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:18 AM
Oct 2013

Besides,its hard to stay mad at the home of Elvis,Gibson Guitars,the Nissan Leaf,Jimmy Cottah and Bill Clinton,okay and James Carville.
Its been so long since i had a damn good plate of chicken fry and fried okra slathered in thick red eye gravy and greens with sweet iced tea,Mmmmm.
Making me want to lick my eyebrows!

paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
51. I get the sense that many southern states are nearing a tipping point
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:18 AM
Oct 2013

where the Old South values finally recede into history.

We might see four or five confederate states voting blue before many more cycles go by.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
156. I agree. The SOUTH is ripe for a Democratic Party picking,
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:29 PM
Oct 2013

AND, we were making some progress under Howard Dean's 50 state strategy,
but have lost some ground after Dean was banished from the DNC.
The Democratic party should start spending some money campaigning in The South.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
52. Then stop sending these assholes to DC.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:23 AM
Oct 2013

And no, you're not alone. A lot of crappy legislators come from Wyoming, or the Central Valley in California.

...No, every single Southerner is not responsible for the craptastic Red State shennanigans that go down;

and unlike some people on this board who seemingly live for it, I'm not a big fan of collective guilt for groups of people based upon what a majority (much less a small minority) of them do.

That said, let's get honest; let's get real. The states that make up the old Confederacy are a BIG part of the reason the country is going through the shit it is, now.

That's not "bashing", that's simple numbers.



ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
57. What I found out is
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:33 AM
Oct 2013

if you quit making fun of people, have actual discussions, and make reasonable arguments they often come around.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
62. That's good advice.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:04 AM
Oct 2013

I'd say that liberals and progressives in Red States, while certainly not in an enviable position politically, at least have a significant opportunity to move the political ball in ways that those of us in Blue states, can't.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
72. My brother has gone from being a fire breathing
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:04 AM
Oct 2013

conservative to supporting gay rights (including marriage), taking a pro-choice position, and wanting a female president that ISN'T Sarah Palin. He would "even" vote for Hillary who he previously thought he hated. It took months of long discussion and mutual respect but he has come around. I'm the ONLY person he talks to on the phone for more than 10 minutes. We often talk for hours. Oh, he also now supports universal healthcare for everyone, even illegal aliens, and affirmative action. My parents have changed. They voted for Bush and are now embarrassed and vote for Obama twice. They left a church because of it's anti-gay and anti-choice positions. They are 87 years old. There's HOPE when you extend a hand of understanding and respect.

Unfortunately, my sisters, all three, are still rabid Republicans but that doesn't mean that can't and won't change.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
79. You are doing a fantastic job being an ambassador to your own family
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:40 AM
Oct 2013

I hope others can follow your example.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
136. Thank you....
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:39 PM
Oct 2013

what people often ignore are the alternatives. I remember my brother asking me if I though illegal immigrants should be able to walk into a hospital emergency room and get care. I sarcastically replied, "no, I think we should just step over their dead bodies in the streets." He got it.....what is the alternative, what is the consequence. He never thought about it before. He didn't support the ACA because he didn't want the government in his business. I pointed out he had just applied for Social Security, partial disability as a veteran, and got his health care at the VA Hospital and asked him if the government could possibly be any more up his butt than that. LOL

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
153. Your map is good for those stuck in the Binary mode of Thinking.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:19 PM
Oct 2013

This map is a more realistic representation.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
154. Thank you, i was looking for that one, actually.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:21 PM
Oct 2013

Like I said, progressives living in red states have a tremendous opportunity, especially now.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
160. Thank You "bvar22" This Map Shows the EMBEDS...It's Everywhere...and
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:28 PM
Oct 2013

to Trash the South and make fun of that area of the Country when it's pocketed and Embedded all across USA (due to Media Deregulation: Limbaugh, Beck and the others that folks without money listen to because it's free in their Cars/Trucks and they do Delivery or other occupations where they spend much time in Car/Truck/Hauler)...means that we Trash those who are less advantaged by making them into grotesque cartoon figures.

The stuff that goes on here on DU and other Lib/Dem Sites blaming everything on the South, Racism and Confederacy has the advantage of ignoring what's going on down the Street in other Areas of the US where the Poor have no alternative except to rail against a SYSTEM that they see as Corrupt. It's just that they are driven by the Limbaugh types to focus on it being "Pointy Headed Liberals and Big Government (but not MY Senator or Congressperson) and Elitist Dems causing their destruction or holding them down from advancing.

It's a tactic that not only Repugs use...but, our Democrats in the Party Elite learned to use for their own purposes, too.

I had hoped that Bill Clinton's election would slay the Beast. But the Beast bit him in the Butt.

The Beast is NOT the Southern Confederacy....it's the lack of Education Funding, Media Deregulation and Poverty Programs that never met the targets. There are other factors...but, I'm too tired to go into something that would take too much time and no one here would read...given the EUPHORIA OF TODAY.

So..whatever. Sick of Southern Bashing here on DU.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
182. Good Map... I Saw A Couple That Showed A Lot
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:32 AM
Oct 2013

more "red" recently. And that southwest purple part of Florida is above me. Tampa/St. Pete area. It used to be more blue years back, then went pretty red, now moving nicely back to purple.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
54. Agreed.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:31 AM
Oct 2013

It should also be noted that some people have a chip on their shoulders and are willing to gratuitiously "defend the South" or "defend Texas" when no intended slights are made against the South or Texas.

As one example, some criticial comments were made about Texas cops who were caught on camera delivering unnecessary and excessive violence. A response by one person, and I swear I'm not making this up, was along the lines of "Why do you have to bash Texans?"

 

RosettaStoned77

(53 posts)
60. "Hate" to say it, but...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 12:54 AM
Oct 2013

My wifes family is from VA and I lived there, as well as in N.O.L.A. and MS. I am a Seattle native and must admit it was quite a culture shock. There were things I liked and other things not so much. But for the most part I disliked the whole place. And by place I mean the people I met everywhere I went. They fly the stars and bars with pride and BELIEVE the south will rise again. The only place I did not encounter any racism was living in the housing projects in Roanoke. It's just the way it is down there. I understand why the rich vote the way they do. But the PWT will always baffle me. They could live in the same neighborhood, send kids to the same schools, work the same jobs. But at the end of the day, go home and complain about the Ns this and the Ns that! They just don't want to see that they are playing right into the hands of the real enemy. That if they could put aside their BS and voted their pocketbooks everyone would benefit. But, no. Might benefit the Ns! I love my family, and have many good friends there. There are just too many assholes and life is too short. Fuck the south. I will never again live where they fly the stars and bars right next to Old Glory. Whew!!! Damn! Guess I really needed to vent.

melody

(12,365 posts)
64. California has more everything everywhere, but ...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:11 AM
Oct 2013

It makes me mad when the south is singled out, too. Much of my family came from there. My son lives there.

It's also important to remember that Jimmy Carter and his mom, Miss Lillian, are and were both solid Democrats from the state of Georgia. Al Gore is from the south, too. And Bill Clinton is from Arkansas, which is close. lol

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
65. When they stop electing scumbags like Gohmert, Gingrey, Kingston, Rubio, Vitter,
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:23 AM
Oct 2013

Pryor (yes, him too), Coker, Paul, McConnell, Haley, Scott, Barbour, Gingrich. . .and people like that, I will relax on the South.

Until then, I can bash the South as much as I bash Arizona (which is where I am from).

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
109. Um there is a difference between Minnesota electing one or two bat shit
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:03 AM
Oct 2013

crazy congress critters out of the ENTIRE STATE to a state that goes all red. You do see that right?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
112. Bachmann is from a single district of insane people Minnesota also sends to DC
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:19 AM
Oct 2013

Al Franken and Amy Kolboucher to the Senate and 5 out of 8 Reps are Democrats. See how that balances out?
Also Minnesota has marriage equality, while each of the Southern States still allows discrimination against gay people in housing and employment and rendering of services. See the difference there?
Pointing out facts, facts that harm real humans is not 'bashing' but defending. I will criticize those doing wrong to good people because I care more about the people being wronged than I do about some daft culture of intolerance.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
172. What is this? "Be sensitive to bigots week?" When the South loses its well earned Rep of being
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:25 PM
Oct 2013

Homophobic, Sexist, Racist, Xenophobie, Jingoistic and intolerant to anything except their brand of fundamentalist Christianity (usually in the realm of Boko Haram, except with out the violence. . .except you don't include killing OB/GYN and blowing up black churches, dragging gay men to their death, lynching and blowing up pre-natal clinics), then and only then will my opinion of the Southern (and alot of mid-west and intermontain states will change.

Again, I am from Arizona. . .don't talk to me about bashing a state. The difference is I accept that AZ is populated with idiots. . .the southerners don't.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
66. eh, I have lived in Texas a long time
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:28 AM
Oct 2013

the way I see it, Texas never misses an opportunity to embarrass itself

longship

(40,416 posts)
84. This issue was resolved in 1865.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:46 AM
Oct 2013

It's a done deal. The Confederate flag displayed today is nothing less than a racist statement.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
189. Do you know which states those people are from?
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:41 PM
Oct 2013

I would bet that most of the 100 "protesters" at the White House last week end are from north of the Mason Dixon Line.

I've seen more Rebel Flags in the White Flight northern suburbs of the Twin Cities (Michele Bachmann's stronghold)
than I have seen in our new neighborhood in rural Arkansas.
Most of the people still fighting the Civil War and trying to Keep the Old Divisions & hatreds alive on DU are people who live elsewhere.

The South is beautiful,
and belongs to us ALL.

In 2006, my Wife & I moved from a Big Blue Northern City
to a very RED area of the Rural South.
We love it here, and won't be leaving.

"I don't need to go there, do I?"

You CAN go wherever you think you need to go,
but please don't come to The South.
We don't need or want your kind of "help".

There are people who work for "change",
and people who choose to live in the past and keep comfortable hatreds alive.


--bvar22 & Starkraven
turning The South Blue,
one vote at a time.


cordelia

(2,174 posts)
94. See? It will never be enough, no matter what we do,
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:45 AM
Oct 2013

no matter how much progress is made.

Is it too slow? For me, yes. But we can only do so much.

The hatred runs too deep for some - on both sides of the issue.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
69. The South bashing the rest of the country?
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:33 AM
Oct 2013

Or do you mean it the other way around?

The progressives down south are my absolute heroes. Let there be hope.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
81. Bashing the South doesn't mean we think it's beyond saving. It means we think it sucks...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:48 AM
Oct 2013

And not even in totality. It means it shows a considerable trend towards sucking.

I live in Arizona. Do you think I'm particularly proud of this place? Hell fucking no. It fucking sucks. It's a political cesspool and I'll be the first person to tell you that.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
91. I think a lot of it has to do with the bible belt.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:37 AM
Oct 2013

Evolution is Satan's religion and other crazy shit like that comes from the south.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
92. Get used to it....the only thing worse than living in the South
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:53 AM
Oct 2013

is being a 2A progressive. Some love to paint with a broad brush...

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
93. Let "The South" secede. Give the states from AZ to FL one year...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:58 AM
Oct 2013

to allow its progressive citizens to make arraignments to evacuate and those in "The United States" to leave for The Confederacy if they so please, then...

throw up the border. Done.

Let 'em go. America doesn't need them.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
95. What have you got against New Mexico?
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:02 AM
Oct 2013

Both senators are Democrats and 2 of 3 reps. And now that they have killed Walter White their meth problem should abate some.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
128. But don't you see?
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:22 AM
Oct 2013

There has to be a divide somewhere. You can't go trasping through one bad state to get to another good state. Gotta have a line, according to some!

lol @ Walter White!!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
102. I find posts like this rather interesting.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:44 AM
Oct 2013

If you've ever paid attention to threads like this one, or the ones about secession, you may have noticed something rather telling. That is, the majority of members here calling for the breakup of the Union are not from the South.

In fact, most of us in or from the South are often the most strident supporters of keeping the Union united. Why are you so against the United States of America remaining a Union? Do you truly want to see the world economy crash? I think you do, or you wouldn't post such drivel to begin with.

And you seem incapable of foreseeing the reality of such a proposal. You're talking about many tens of millions of people moving out of their Home and off to places that might be more welcoming of them. Think about that. Tens of millions of people from the South, moving north. Do you honestly believe that everyone up there would be nearly as welcoming as you seem to think? You're already showing a prejudice against the South, and you're a progressive. How do you think the rest of your fellow state residents will feel, and react?

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
108. Yeah, all those African Americans and Native Americans in the south
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:02 AM
Oct 2013

will be thrilled to pull up roots from where their family has been for generations, sell everything they have for a pittance, and flee before they're killed just to make people like you happy.

No really, we totally would.

cordelia

(2,174 posts)
118. Excellent.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:53 AM
Oct 2013

I've often wondered if blanket hatred of the South like this wasn't tinged with just a little something extra.

If you get my drift.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
144. Anyone wishing to uproot a black N. Florida land-owner should approach the porch with caution.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:46 PM
Oct 2013

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
167. Virginians feel just as American as anyone; more so in longevity (except the Indians)
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:49 PM
Oct 2013

you secede, asshole

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
99. Attitudes about "The South" may be because "The South" is 'bowdacious*'
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:32 AM
Oct 2013

Although its membership is of some geographic uncertainty (is Texas southern or Southwestern? is Florida part of New Jersey?) The South has a coherence in history and culture that make it at once the most easily identified, celebrated, and stereotyped national region.

Many regions of the US have distinctive qualities of speech and dress that are used to pan their inhabitants--U-pers of Michigan, Northern Minnesotans, Mainers, western cowboy culture, etc. But few regions of the nation have both a strong coherence in regionally distinctive identifiers and the capacity to seriously compete politically with all the remaining regions combined...and a history of "bowdaciously" taking that competitive capacity into military, economic, and popular cultural battles.

And like all competitions and colonizations of one region by another it garners both admiration and indignation.

Some, maybe many, people in the now post-hegemonic rust belt, harbor resentment that the emergence of the South is a consequence of it not competing fairly and of operating in peculiar and objectionable ways to steal away manufacturing, political influence, etc.

Yet, success garners emulation, and we see in 'northern states (Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin among others) the promotion of regressive legal and regulatory approaches to labor, environment, food safety, that from a "northerner's" point of view look to be aligning with more southern ways of doing business.

Seems to me that as a region, The South, is a strong (and particularly in recent decades) largely successful competitor of other US regions. With that success there is a sense in other regions that southern culture is on a march towards a new hegemony.

I can't say what sort of mounds southern kids play on, but up here where snow creates mountains along the borders of playgrounds and parking lot...we learned a childhood lesson: being 'bowdacious' enough to be king of the hill means all others are going to be coming at you to try to pull you down.




*I do realize bodacious can be spelled in a variety of ways...bowdacious comes from the comic strip Lil Abner.





























 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
111. The poorest States in the Union are 'Kings of the Hill'?
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:10 AM
Oct 2013

If you say so. Sure. Alabama, home of affluence and innovation!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
147. Well, make a straw-man, it's your liberty...I was talking about THE REGION
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:58 PM
Oct 2013

and about recognizable regional identity AND influence in American culture and politics?

I'm really not sure that there is a region more prominent than the south.

I'll admit to finding that stressful, but there it is. My home town was a center of precision manufacturing and famous for watch and aeronautical instrument making...until it was raided by a Carolina town offering free land, no taxes and cheap labor---and that was back in the early '60s.

Sure there are greater individual states than Alabama in terms of economy, political influence and culture. Certainly there are cities (New York, Hollywood) that aren't southern but are giants in culture. What cities push American politics more than San Francisco?

But, consider it as I posed it..."The South" is as "big" as any region in terms of identity, cultural influence and influence on politics and American business practices. I wouldn't say that the Southern/Right to work/WalMart model (part-time, anti-union, no benefits, etc.) is good for America, but it's damned successful and it has spread into all corners of the national economy.

When one considers the country...what region beats "The South" in terms of Identity and influence in culture and politics?

New England? no
The Mid-Atlantic States? no
Eastern North Central (midwestern 'old foundry states&quot no
Western North Central (aka that grassland "desert" in James Fennimore Cooper's The Prairie)? no
The Mountain States? no
The Southwest? no
The West Coast? Well, especially with respect to California, it probably IS the most equal competitor to the south.


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
184. The entire region depends on tax dollars from Blue States
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:10 PM
Oct 2013

Your post makes no sense. The South is influential more than other regions? That's something you believe, but it is far from accurate. The South as a region has the vast majority of the poorest counties, cities and States in the Union. These are just facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lowest-income_counties_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
103. CA has 3 Tea Baggers out of 53 Reps. Texas? 11 out of 36.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:51 AM
Oct 2013

This is what makes it hard to deal with this shit. California is not worse, nor does it have as many 'baggers'. To say so is daft. Oregon and Washington have none. Texas still has 11.
The 'broken election system' which you say 'keeps' progressives from the polls is YOUR system. Not ours, YOURS. Our system here is not broken. Yours is. Who has not fixed that? The residents of those States. It is State law, it is their job. My State's elections are just fine, thanks. Yours. Not ours.
You say good people don't vote in the South for fear or reprisal, then say stop criticizing the South? Do you hear yourself?

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
106. Frankly the day I see a Southern state go from red to blue
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:58 AM
Oct 2013

I would have a more positive attitude towards the region. I have never bashed ANY region on this board. But personally I cannot tell you that I look at GA as anything but a place to change planes. And I would not be curious about visiting MS AL or Florida for that matter. More about the fact that I loath hot weather then the politics.

That said bashing the area on this board is insensitive towards fellow members that might live there.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
113. As a southerner, I appreciate...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:19 AM
Oct 2013

...your courtesy. People often forget that a red state is sometimes red by a relatively small percentage - maybe 54 to 46. And while that might be a "landslide" in election terms, it also means that here in the South there are millions of progressives in our midst. They're just not as loud and obnoxious. The republicans win most of the state and local elections, and that skews the politics, making us all look bad. But I have many progressive friends here, and we're making progress. Baby steps.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
168. After being relentlessly abused as a Virginian, someone like you FINALLY
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:51 PM
Oct 2013

accepted all my arguments and then said "Virginia is a northern state" and KEPT ON BASHING! Where Virginia has gone, Florida is going, NC and GA next.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
176. You've seen it
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:20 PM
Oct 2013

VA and NC went for Obama in 08. NC had 7 Democratic and 6 GOP representatives before the latest gerrymandering. I think the total votes for Congress in NC in 2012 were 2.5m Democratic and 2.3m GOP (somehow that translates to 9 GOP reps).

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
115. I don't actually mind the bashing.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:33 AM
Oct 2013

My state's unofficial motto is "Thank God For Mississippi", so bashing it really isn't hard. What I loathe are the calls to kick the South out of the Union.

Southern African Americans have absolutely no desire to participate in an exodus. If they did, they'd have already done it. Nor do the Native American tribes that have been here since before Moses was a thing. We already tried being dispossessed and moved around, and we're not in any hurry to do it again, thanks. It didn't sound like much fun the first time. Not really in a hurry to give it another shot.

Of course we would give it another shot, as would the Southern African Americans. We'd sell our houses and land for whatever pittance we could get, or just abandon them outright, and GTFO of here because once all the alleged progressives bailed out to move to Bluetopia, the only thing keeping us from being rounded up and wiped out would be federal laws, so we'd have to leave before that was up.

The people screaming to kick the states with heavy minority populations out of the US don't ever take any of that into account, thus demonstrating that acting like minorities totally don't matter isn't a regional thing after all. It never seems to occur to them they're advocating a policy that would, in the not even very long run, lead to genocide. Or if it does occur to them it doesn't bother them very much. (It also doesn't seem to occur to them they'd be creating a Christian Dominionist run territory right next door that would be a nuclear power. A bunch of dipshits that want nothing more than the endtimes having unrestricted access to nukes. Won't that be fun.)

And after ensuring multi-generational poverty among African Americans and Native Americans (Ok. Further poverty), you'd still have Michelle Bachmann in the Bluetopian Congress.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
116. I understand why people are so disgusted with southern politicians;
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:35 AM
Oct 2013

I'm disgusted with them myself. But no one should put down all the people in the region because of its politicians. There are a lot of good people down here. The biggest problem down here is ignorance, not stupidity. Ignorance can be fixed, and plenty of us fight the battle against ignorance every day, even in our own families. So can we limit South-bashing to teabagger politicians-bashing? It's really shitty for us southerners to have to come in here and deal with criticism from people who don't even know what they're talking about.

Thanks for the thread, NuclearDem.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
120. Of course there are progressives in the South
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
Oct 2013

and Teabaggers everywhere else.

The South is not going to secede - that whole idea is a joke.

There are a lot of red states there - the majority is conservative and thus sends insane people to Congress in larger numbers (Bachmann notwithstanding, the state itself may not have other Bachmann types).

There's nothing bashing about acknowledging that.

I actually think that the South making victim of itself and feeling sorry for itself is more obnoxious than the occasional "let them secede" thread (unrealistic and just venting). The white folks of the South are not the victims of much, whether they are liberals or progressives, tea partiers, or those in between.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
121. so DO something about it instead of tolerating it and making excuses. As long as there is a problem
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 10:05 AM
Oct 2013

somebody is going to point it out. It's not demonizing either, not when the problem is REAL.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
125. One of the reasons I like Wendy Davis
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:11 AM
Oct 2013

She reminds me that every time I hear a Southern voice on the radio or TV, it isn't necessarily spouting nonsense. It usually is, but not always.

(I should note that yesterday I endured my idea of hell, which is a 90 minute airline ride in front of a dopey woman who had a heavy Boston accent and was loudly trying to explain to another dopey Bostonian how to do Sudoku. For the entire ride. So even though Southern accents on TV tip me off that I'm likely to be hearing nonsense, Southern accents in real life are far preferable to some New Englander, New Yorker, Philadelphian, or Baltimorean bleating in my ear).

librechik

(30,674 posts)
127. well, of course i adore certain liberal Southerners, and all of them, politically.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:18 AM
Oct 2013

But i don't remember any of them shutting up about the flaws of their regions. Rather the opposite. And they made changes!

I'm sure it's annoying to live in the area which is largely responsible for our divisions. But telling others to stuff it is not helpful, unfortunately. How i wish I could get ted cruz to shut up. But let the fool talk. It is revealing.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
146. You are part of the problem. Quit singling out a whole region of whites, blacks, Hispanics...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:54 PM
Oct 2013

and many others for your region-bashing. EVERY state (what is yours?) has its problems, but it seems the South is everyone's place to feel holier-than-thou. And I will continue to "point it out."

librechik

(30,674 posts)
183. so are you.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:00 PM
Oct 2013

stop shooting arrows at the messenger.

And I don't restrict myself to criticizing the south. I have criticisms for just about everything and everybody. But we are talking about the problem of the unrepentant South in this post.

And as far as being holier than thou, there are many who think the South has a corner on that one. (lots of corners, tho, aren't there? Ow.)

librechik

(30,674 posts)
194. lol--since you know what I want
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:01 AM
Oct 2013

please tell Santa Claus for me--he's probably on your speed dial. And don't tell me what I asked for! I like surprises.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
195. Sounds like your getting plenty of what you want now.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:25 AM
Oct 2013

It's the approval thing that you're not getting.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
196. now you are psychoanalyzing the imaginary person you think you know.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:29 AM
Oct 2013

I'm sorry, I'll leave you alone now. I usually enjoy toying with the mentally unstable, but , gosh, Eleanor, i like you. Please forgive all my smartass remarks and have a good day! I'm sure you are a sweetheart.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
197. Toying with the mentally unstable" probably is why many view the condition as stigma.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:33 PM
Oct 2013

But I'll take your comment as sarcasm, though that is the lesser of the evils.

The point of the OP is the "peculiar institution" developing in DU where regionalism is seeking legitimacy, and for no constructive reason. We've all read the same books, and we know the deficiencies, so what is the Purpose of this singling out a region? To counter the far right's equivalent of sneering at NE libs? At San Francisco-types? Or just to bash outnumbered Southern liberals for not bailing water fast enough?

Other than throwing facts & figures about to "justify" a throw-down in the face of fellow DUers, I have Yet to see anything constructive or positive in this recurring righteous lecture.

I appreciate your equal-opportunity criticisms of everything that goes bump in the night, but we have to gain at least some support and trust from this area of the country. I'm sure you would agree.

I apologize for my ill-tempered remarks, and hope to sustain your respect and affection, even if it is through an ether of ions.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
126. Yes. WHERE is this idea coming from?Why do people think the American south is politically backwards?
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:14 AM
Oct 2013

That's just CRAZY TALK:

ERA ratification map of the United States:

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
142. Cool in theory but not a practical example of public opinion. Each precinct does not have the same
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:31 PM
Oct 2013

number of voters.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
158. Yes, but what kind of blue? A traditional Democrat is not progressive on social issues.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:44 PM
Oct 2013

And I have a feeling that Duval County has a traditional Democrat. Although I could be wrong.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
162. 13/18 U.S. House seats in PA are teabaggers. The governor is a stupid teabagger. One U.S. Senator
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:39 PM
Oct 2013

is a teabagger and the State House and State Senate are both controlled by ignorant teabaggers. It's not just the South.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
164. Southerners are Easy Bashing for Dems in Power Circles...as if we are Tea Partiers...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 06:40 PM
Oct 2013

Indeed its getting old. And, it doesn't fit what the Democratic Party needs to be talking about.

There's an Eliteness in the Dem Party which is growing that looks down on those who aren't CHOSEN... It's something that's going to hit us in the future.

BUBBA's are ALL OVER THE USA! And Mullets didn't just belong to the South when they were in fashion....they were in pockets (see "bvar22's Map&quot and read a little of Joe Bageant's books because what he describes exists all over America as the Poor Grow in Numbers and the Education only goes to the TOP 1% for Private Schools and being recognized because you went to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT...or the other Top Universities.

For the rest of us "Down Tier University Graduates"....Our jobs went with NAFTA OVERSEAS during REAGAN AND DOWN.

ALL WAS OUTSOURCED...and the TPP and Other TRADE DEALS by Obama and the ELITES will grind us down so that we will learn how to be "Bubba's" at some point in the FUTURE if we don't stand up NOW and Force our DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO LISTEN TO ALL OF US! Not...MAKE FUN of the LESSER OF US!

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
169. Don't hold your breath wating for Southern-bashing to stop.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:13 PM
Oct 2013

There's three things you can count on getting bashed here: Southerners, fat people and women.

I'm a fat woman from North Carolina. I'm doomed, I guess.

Oddly enough, I'm more liberal than most people on this site, but hey, don't let that get in the way of putting me down.

Edited to add: How could I forget the poor? That's another segment of the population that gets little sympathy here.

So I'm a poor, fat woman from North Carolina.

Fuck. I really am doomed.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
170. long past time for us all to leave
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:17 PM
Oct 2013

I resisted that feeling, have been here since 2002, but in an otherwise happy life filled with pleasant interactions, DU is the one place that inevitably and daily fills me with despair. 2/3 of that has been the relentless centrist attacks on progressives, but when the progressives start relentlessly attacking fellow progressives over geography, it is long past time to go.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
174. I lived in the south for several years and hated it ...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:39 PM
Oct 2013

It is hotter than hell and there are bugs the size of kindergartners.

As for the rest ... my extremely northern state of Michigan has turned into inbred knuckle dragging right wing hell. I grew up in metro Detroit (again a very northern metro area) ... the Detroit area was historically one of the most segregated metropolitan areas in the country.

I dislike a great many southern politicians ... and I am sure those liberals in the south despise them as much or more than I do.

It's all about percentages

renie408

(9,854 posts)
178. Good try. But I imagine the bigots who bash the South
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:31 PM
Oct 2013

will continue to do so. It is so much easier to just lump everybody in together and ignore the fact that with demographic shifts and the degree of immigration to the South that things are constantly shifting here. I have friends who live in the mountains of Washington state whose neighbors would freak out even my most conservative Southern friends they are such whackadoodles. I have another friend who lives in the Redding, California area and I met more conservative rednecks there the week I visited than I see here in a month. But it doesn't matter than conservatives are everywhere. Some portion of the DU needs somebody to sneer at and the South is their target of choice.

pecwae

(8,021 posts)
190. This^^
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 02:03 PM
Oct 2013

Anecdotal, yes, but the most extreme case of racism I've personally known of occurred in NJ. A fellow AA LEO told me of an encounter he had there as a teen before his family moved back home to the south. He was stopped for speeding, frisked roadside and was dared to run, encouraged to run. He was told that because he was black he'd be shot in the back with no repercussions because the officer would swear my friend was resisting, evading. Despite such blatant, violent racism by NJ LE this man eventually became a LEO, a damned good one.

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