I have this sense that we are doomed.

[hrmjustin]

They wasted the whole day today and God knows what tomorrow will bring.

I know they say they are working on a deal but I have this horrible sense that these evil bastards on the right are going to get their way and the country defaults. The Speaker is too afraid he will loose his job and not concerned about the nation. Who knows what stunt he will pull tomorrow.

I hope I am wrong.

[Dkc05]

1. TIME FOR ALL OF US TO STRIKE FOR BETTER WAGES AND HEALTH INSURANCE.

WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND STRIKE FOR WAGES AND FREE INSURANCE. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

[hrmjustin]

11. Not a bad idea at all.

[pangaia]

2. For what good it will do,

I have withdrawn what savings I had in our local WELL-RUN Community bank, bought a safe and put it there.

[hrmjustin]

3. I can't say I blame you.

[OhioChick]

4. Republicans May Be Ready To Take Senate Deal: 'It's All Over'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/republicans-senate-deal_n_4103370.html

[hrmjustin]

5. I hope that this is true. The Speaker is not trustworthy so we will just have to see what he does.

[NYC_SKP]

6. They're hanging in there but losing support by the hours. There's very little support left.

I think we'll end up with what was rumored to be happening this evening but did not: a short-term budget and debt ceiling increase with little in return. ACA stays except for medical device tax implementation.

[hrmjustin]

10. I hope the GOP cave.

These people need to get thrown out of office.

[Avalux]

7. If you are hoping they'll come to their sense and avert default, don't.

I've been thinking it and now firmly believe they want a default and want the country to fall apart.

[hrmjustin]

12. That is what I am worried about. In their hearts they want the country to fail.

[randome]

16. In their what?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[hrmjustin]

18. Good point. They have no hearts.

[steve2470]

8. I think that Boehner will sober up and fall on his sword

Maybe I give the idiot too much credit. I just can't fathom him allowing the nation to default.

to ya Justin

[hrmjustin]

13. I hope but I don't trust him.

[AlinPA]

19. He wants default. Everything I've seen so far makes me think he is too stupid to understand what

is happening. He is a teabagger, and is doing what he thinks is right in his twisted mind.

[TwilightGardener]

9. We might be. I guess we here can all take comfort that we came down on the side

of responsible government and meeting our national obligations. Republicans wanted to blow it all up, and here we are at the doorstep of that. Domestic enemies.

[hrmjustin]

15. They really are horrible people.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. It won't be pretty, and today at the dentist

I had the 50\50 that we would avoid it evaporate.

I explained some of the consequences, possible, to my dentist, he asked. I avoid talking politics, but since I cover politics. I also told him that in reality none of us can predict much since the last time we did not have an IMF, or World Bank, and the calendar read 1933.

[hrmjustin]

17. I just don't trust the speaker. He is too interested in his job and not the nation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. There is something afoot that we all are missing

and for the life of me, I cannot figure it out. I was looking back at John Boehner the younger and the last time we had a shut down. THAT John Boehner would not be going down this road. And no, I do not think he was actually physically threatened.

[hrmjustin]

21. He is afraid for his job and so are his members. Most have to worry about primaries.

Scary times.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Somebody like Issa (heart of the Caucus)

is in a +25 district. For the record he finally flew the white flag. Many of these folks are in +22, +26 districts. They are so secured that even a challenge on their right could easily be squashed. Yes, they are afraid of a challenge from the right, but the districts are so safe that even that is fantasy.

Now Boehner is not in such a secure district, but his is still pretty much safe, iirc it is +15

We are missing it, because we are thinking the obvious. I'm thinking back to the 1930s ironically and the business forces behind this.

[hrmjustin]

25. Well I hope the talk tonight that they are caving is true.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. For their sakes and ours

I know, I know, I even think of them and their well being. If they do this, it will be a nightmare.

As is they already have done a lot of damage.

[Katashi_itto]

36. Well being of the Tebaggers may really be an issue

I can think of a number of countries that wont take kindly to a few stupid congressman wiping out billions of their investments. We might be seeing "suicides" of some politicians, if default happens

[sad-cafe]

40. what happened in 1933?

are you saying that was when the stock market crashed?

[valerief]

22. Rich people will get richer. That's all. That's all that matters in this world. nt

[hrmjustin]

26. That is the way it always is.

[Journeyman]

33. The rich get richer and the poor . . . the poor keep getting old. . .

[Squinch]

24. I hope you're wrong too, but I have the same feeling.

[hrmjustin]

27. I hope the talk that they are ready to cave is true.

[mahina]

29. Maybe, but not today.

Because today, we win and they lose, running home with their soiled diapers on. They lost big. That's not why I'm not worrying anymore. I would have preferred they remain rational, but they chose not to do so. Their own actions have shown them to the majority of American voters to be liars and frauds and really bad at their jobs; also, they have shown their version of reality to be a complete fiction.

Not today, hrmjustin. Tomorrow, back to worrying about how to deal with climate collapse. Today, we win!

(Written to be read with half your face painted blue, in the voice of William Wallace, upon a black stallion!)

[hrmjustin]

30. Your right their actions have shown the public what they are.

[greatlaurel]

31. Ted Cruz's wife works for Goldman Sachs

Once they get the bond rating to where they want it, they will cave. We will be paying outrageous interest rates on these bonds for decades to come. Follow the money. This is a money grab from the American people to enrich the already incredibly rich.

[hrmjustin]

32. It is always about the money.

[TexasBushwhacker]

38. That's what I've been thinking

The very rich are able to make millions no matter what happens. It's the rest of us that get screwed.

What I'm concerned about is that every time we go through a period of instability like this, governments around the world start talking about how the dollar doesn't really HAVE TO be the international reserve currency. If that changed, we would be in a world of hurt for a while.

[ecstatic]

34. Last Friday, Rachel Maddow pretty much said we'd go past the deadline

I was really annoyed by what seemed like another over the top "debbie downer" comment, and I've avoided watching her show since then, but I'm starting to think she was right.

[hrmjustin]

35. They brought us this far. Very scary!

[Savannahmann]

37. My friend, you are where I was a week ago.

We are approaching the last day, with battling reports flying from Washington. One "senior GOP aide" says a deal has been reached. The next release is that nope, no deal, no vote. Then another Senior GOP aide rushes out and swears a deal has been reached.

We have made a big mistake, and that is since 2010, we keep assuming that the Tea Party is a flash in the pan irrelevance. We look at them and we can't take them seriously with their ridiculous statements, and we ascribe their motivations to racism. I'll grant you that some of those are motivated by Racism, but most of them are not. Most of them are certain that we are on a path towards big government socialism, central control of everything. They see the militarized police, and they are certain it's a harbinger of the future.

They have not weakened and the thing is this. They are decentralized, with no spokesman, and no real leadership. Some listen to Limbaugh, others never do. Some read Freeperville nonsense, others read Coulter, Malkin, or whomever. Some read Alex Jones, or listen, but most don't. But they are all more or less united in an effort to oppose the perceived socialization of the nation.

Look past the rhetoric, look past the asinine comments of the microphone hogging idiots. Look at the average people in the crowd. Talk to them away from the crowd if you can, and you'll hear their fears, and the perhaps inaptly applied historical beliefs to support those concerns. Here is the last thing we've forgotten. They feel cornered, and they feel as though they've been pushed into that corner. When cornered, even a rat will turn and fight because it has no choice left. The corner need not be real or physical, it can be psychological, it is the most basic human instinct, fight or flight.

We have done nothing as a people to assuage those fears. We mocked them, and we watched while their numbers slowly grow, and instead we announce that this time was the last straw, obviously America has seen the light. It isn't about elections to them, it's about a fight for the soul of the nation, and they honestly believe that there is no time left, it's a line in the sand to them as well.

If you defeat them today, they'll be back tomorrow. And the day after, and the day after. Each time their prescription will be more extreme, because they've lost ground that must be made up. They are the core of the Republican party, and they are out of control of the money masters who had previously pulled the strings.

As far as they are concerned, they have nothing to lose. As we've seen, that is when an opponent is most dangerous. We need to take a little time and learn about them, and better understand them. Drop the labels, and try and see the world from their point of view, because only then can we start to assuage that fear, and make most of them see the vision of the world we hope to see, the one where the sick get cared for, the hungry get fed. But before you can talk a person into your point of view, you must understand where you are starting from. They aren't disgraced, and they aren't destroyed. They'll fight tomorrow too.

[xfundy]

39. It all hinges on the million/billionaires and their ability to keep their plunder, screw the nation.

Of course, most of them have $$$ in secluded banks overseas, so who knows. If they go through with it, it's another civil war/thunderdome faught between whoever's left. Cons have many of the guns, not all by a long shot, but we have the intelligence to plan and consider scenarios, use logic to plot their moves, and use their own masters' guides to pit them against each other as they've long done to Americans.