meal providers ejected from Cesar Chavez Park in state capitol of Sacramento Ca

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http://www.foodnotbombs.net/fnb_resists_more.html

and a number of other locations across western states
all at the same time?
no, just over the last few months.
but Sac just this week.
disgusting.

[leftstreet]

1. Meh. They need to get their permits

Just like everybody else

Like all acts of compassion no permission from the government is necessary.

Bullshit. Impoverished people have a right to food and safety protections, too

[leftstreet]

4. ??

It's dehumanizing when these do-gooders claim their benevolence for Teh Poor trumps local safety regulations. The presupposition stinks

I doubt any of these people would eat at a restaurant free of safety regs

[reddread]

5. dehumanizing? listen to your regard for these providers?

once you have seen the best salads made from donated produce that was on its way out,
you might just realize what kind of garbage those restaurants are serving.
I only order soup anymore.
Nobody is practicing unsanitary food prep, or serving without the proper precautions.
Neither are they preparing meat products or other items that greatly increase the likelihood of problems.
You go find a foodborne outbreak from FNB meals. You wont.
What you would find if you werent happy with an ignorant "meh"
is that your so called "permits" are offered as often as twice a year by these municipalities
that are simply trying to make life harder for the poorest of the poor.
You are absolutely mistaken, hopefully not intentionally, to think that these meals are not prepared in sanitary
well equipped kitchens.
You should check into it,
I would not want to be behind a post so clueless and harmful as the one you made, no matter how little you
understand the truth of it.

[leftstreet]

7. There are permitted food banks, churches, pantries

in most cities and towns

These places would be grateful to WELCOME the volunteer efforts of the good people in your OP

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9. garbage out

you are making indefensible noises. you know nothing of which you speak, and
obviously
"do-gooders"
are a nuisance to you.
left street indeed.

[reddread]

6. my mistake, apologies!

I should not have extended the benefit of the doubt,
the "leftstreet" tag should have been enough warning
the "do gooders" remark was all I needed to know.
May you know unrelenting hunger someday soon.

[leftstreet]

8. Can you smell peanut butter? n/t

[snooper2]

10. I read the blog you linked to...It's not about feeding the hungry

It's about somebody's little pet peeve that they have to "oh no" have a permit to serve food to the public.


That webpage really needs some work and updates by the way

[reddread]

11. not to diminish your concern

heres another "blog" for you

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/food-not-bombs-group-arrested-for-feeding-homeless-violating-orlando-ordinance/2011/06/03/AGufUBIH_blog.html

explaining how they intend to impact these people by

"arrested for, according to spokesperson for the Orlando police, “intentionally violat[ing] the statute,” which bans feeding groups larger than 25 people in the park without a permit. Groups can apply for a permit for each location twice a year."

yeah, thats some real concern there too.
Now, if anyone is truly dumb enough to think that homeless people can fetch a ride out to the boonies or uptown where some food banks may be located, instead of surviving on a semi-regular, well prepared meal (as opposed to some cans of low, low grade veggies,
lousy little bags of beans, rice or some boxes of cereal)
theyre mistaken.
Obviously, some people are too poor to be concerned about, and maybe something is wrong with those who would donate hours of
their own time each week, dollars of their own money, and compassion that doesnt mean anything to someone who doesnt need it.
or feel it.
For anyone to diminish those people, who clearly have more sense of the needs and importance of their work to hungry people,
women with kids and grandkids to take care of against all the odds that ordinary lives face?
It makes me ill. it makes me angry.
forgive me for not facing derision and right wing levels of disregard with a little more grace than I find available.
Is it any wonder these things happen?

[Sheldon Cooper]

24. You are WAY out of line.

May you know unrelenting hunger someday soon.

What the fuck??? You have no business speaking to anyone like that. You bring dishonor to your cause when you do it, too.

[XemaSab]

13. The only place in Redding that got a perfect rating from the health department

is the Good News Rescue Mission.

Food safety is another facet of essential dignity.

[reddread]

15. show me Food Not Bombs that isnt practicing Food Safety

dont just imply it.
show me.

[XemaSab]

16. Only the health department can make that determination

n/t

[reddread]

18. dont imply something you cant back up then

since you obviously cant.

[TBF]

20. Look reddread,

the folks you are corresponding with here are decent DUers who are civil and trying to understand your issue.

Why so combatant?

The deal with food safety is that you could easily (maybe even accidentally) poison a large group of people. Are you against all regulations or just upset that this particular group was sanctioned?

We all see that they were trying to do something good but should have done their homework. It's just a mistake.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. I'm genuinely conflicted. I can see both sides.

Food Not Bombs (FNB) is doing the Lord's work. As such they ought be given as wide a latitude with as little interference as possible.

OTOH, if one of their clients takes sick due to unsanitary conditions or some other civil liability then I doubt FNB -- as a non-profit -- has the means to provide medical care or remediate other damages.

Naturally, a certification of regulatory compliance would mitigate much of that and I would like to see registered charitable concerns receive those certs cost-free but that is also dependent on a municipality's available resources, manpower, etc.

I know one thing I'm not conflicted about -- the OP is being unduly combative. Perhaps the OP forgot about the underlying principle of FNB.

[leftstreet]

22. Read your own link

The goal of giving the public the impression we are required to get a permit is to justify forcing us to stop. We have no paid staff, our food is a gift and unregulated by the authorities. Like all acts of compassion no permission from the government is necessary.

They admit they are unregulated

They 'believe' they don't require permits

They don't state why they are the exception to the permitting process all other groups follow

[reddread]

2. more on this

http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/pageburner/blogs/post?oid=11718716

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12. Katrina respondents

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14. Hurricane Sandy respondents

[msongs]

17. did the mythical jesus character need a permit to give out loaves and fishes? If he was in the USA

he would, evidently

[reddread]

19. it is a systemic attack ala Occupy

"Last Sunday, October 6th Sacramento Food Not Bombs was kicked out of the Cesar Chavez Park by the Sacramento police. Volunteers were greeted by about 15 officers when they arrived at the park when they normally do in time to start sharing the meal they created by 1:30pm. They were told that our stuff would be confiscated and we would get a summons due to an ordinance that has yet to even be passed that would prevent any group from handing out free hot meal in the park.

Last week advocates for the poor were told to stop sharing meals with the hungry in Sacramento and Santa Monica, California, Taos, New Mexico, and Olympia, Washington. Groups were confronted and threatened with arrest in Boulder, Colorado; Raleigh, North Carolina, Portland, Oregon, Seattle, Washington and other cities across the United States this summer. In all over 50 cities in the United States have passed laws banning or limiting the sharing of meals with the hungry in the past two years with enforcement on the increase this fall. Our food is vegan, organic and no one has ever reported being made ill eating with Food Not Bombs. The goal of giving the public the impression we are required to get a permit is to justify forcing us to stop. We have no paid staff, our food is a gift and unregulated by the authorities. Like all acts of compassion no permission from the government is necessary. "

[TBF]

21. OK, this is giving me a better idea of where you're coming from --

I'm not sure why this is happening or who is behind it.

Any thoughts on that? I've been thinking of different angles. Maybe cities are trying to "encourage" folks to use shelters/soup kitchens already in place (with the side "benefit" to them of keeping folks from congregating). I think I do get what you're saying. They do want the slide into austerity to go smoothly for themselves. Believe me, I think leftstreet and others here see exactly how that is going ... is that what you are talking about?