About the South Seceding....

[Are_grits_groceries]

If that should ever occur, it would not be some neat division of the country into a united South against everybody. There were many pockets of resistance to secession in the Civil War. Northern Alabama was one of those areas.

However, times and demographics have changed. If you check the presidential election returns, there was a fairly sizable group that voted for president Obama. This faction has not been able to counter the Teashites down here. Thank you gerrymandering among other factors.

People are no more going to bow down and follow a bunch of jackasses who will insist that everybody has to follow their way. There are many groups they would have to watch out for.

There are those who were never very happy with the Federal government telling them what to do. They will not be any happier with those morans telling them anything either. This will especially be true when they flood areas with their religious zealots.

My brother lives in one such area. There will be those who would join the Teaspitters. There would be just as many who would fight them tooth and nail if they began to interfere. Both groups will be well armed. It would be a bloody internecine fracas.

There are minorities who would not be thrilled either.They will not take this lying down. They are also madder than hell at the twits who have tried to re-enslave them in many ways.

Many people would find ways to obstruct those mooks. They would be more than happy to sabotage anything they can and spy on those jacklegs. I can pass if I have to.

I have never in my life thought about taking up arms against anybody. However, if the Nutjobs somehow do try to form their own governments, I will give them as much hell as I possibly can in any way that I can.

I am so fucking tired of these tin-hatted, peabrained, MyWay, infantile haters that I can't see straight. They can all go to hell sliding on the edge of a razor blade. I have dealt with these moronic Fauxtians all my life and I would rather eat grits with milk than listen to one more message from their alternate universe.

Bless their hearts!

[Hekate]

1. Some, even here, seem convinced secession is the answer to our problems

We have a newbie convinced that secession is likely, who showed up in this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023829073
I argued for awhile, but it was pointless.

I'm with you though: it's a very bad idea, and if tried would fail with enormous bloodshed.

[LuvNewcastle]

2. We have more than our share of crazies down here,

but overall, I don't think you could get a majority in any southern state to vote for secession. There are certain areas that would be for it, sure, but not an entire state. I would say that most of the pro-secession people are fairly old too -- not a good base for an army. It's really a shame that most people down here keep quiet and let the fools speak for our whole region, but that is what most of us do. Most of us just don't like confrontation. But if things start to really get out of hand down here, I think we'd finally find our voice. I hope so, anyway.

[MarchemintotheSea]

3. If what you say is true, that a majority of Southerners do not want Secession, then hold a vote

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in all the Southern states and see what the majority wants.

I contend* that if a vote were held at least 51% of all Southern Voters would vote for Secession.

At a minimum we would have empirical evidence as to what the people of the South really want.



*Based upon personal observations, personal interactions with southerners, reading the news and living in various Southern States during my lifetime but I no longer live in the South.

[Mariana]

4. I don't think it's a majority.

It's a pretty large minority, though, and they are noisy*

*Based upon personal observations, personal interactions with southerners, reading the news and living in various Southern States during my lifetime but I no longer live in the South.

[MarchemintotheSea]

5. Then put it to a vote and lets see who is correct!

[Are_grits_groceries]

8. Put it to a vote. So what?

If 51% were to vote for secession, that does not mean there would be some universal rejoicing across the region and all those opposed falling in line.

The real question is whether the secession would be embraced by those in the minority? No.
It's not 1861. It may sound like it t times, but there are many more diverse voices that aren't being heard.

[Mariana]

56. Who's going to pay for it? You?

There's no Constitutional provision for such a vote.

[Are_grits_groceries]

6. Did I say that?

I don't think so.
I pointed out that there would be a lot of opposition to secession, and that people will not quietly acquiesce to leaving the USA.

51% is NOT what the people en masse of the South want. It is barely a majority if that were the results of the vote taken. There would be no mass fall-in-line with racist jackasses by many people. If you propose to secede, you damn well better have a lot more than 51%.

People defer to 51% in our form of government. You assume that this 51% vote would be quietly accepted by all the Southerners and all would happily join the secessionists.

NOT.GONNA.HAPPEN!

[MarchemintotheSea]

7. Yes I do in fact I think many would quietly accept it

If you contend that the majority is against it then how come we never see any Southern Push back to the Racists and Secessionist's?

[Are_grits_groceries]

10. Have you not seen the Moral Monday protests in NC against the GOP.

Did you miss the support for Wendy Davis in Texas?

There are people and groups you will never hear about that have been pushing for years. They aren't noisy and disruptive so they aren't news.

I have eleventy billion relatives in SC. Many of them are RW idiots. However, when it comes down to brass tacks and really seceding, there is a lot of ambivalence from them.

So push your Go With The Flow meme. You have to know the people in these states and their backstories.

I NEVER said a majority would't vote for it. I said that there would be significant opposition whether you can see it or not.

Don't you have a bridge to cross?

[MarchemintotheSea]

14. Yeah I have seen minor ineffective push back.

Those doing the pushing would be better off relocating to better places or pushing a whole lot harder and actually having an impact.

But it is their time and effort so they can do what they want and Southerners do love a lost cause.

[zazen]

32. "minor ineffective push back?!!" please retract this

This is realllllly offensive to those working so hard in the Moral Monday protests. Are they supposed to be arrested more? Take up arms?

Has there been a national push-back that's "actually had an impact" on the Tea Party? I don't see Harry Reid having stood up to these assholes the way the progressives did after just three months of GOP "leadership" here in NC.

I don't usually have an angry reaction to a post here, but as a North Carolinian with several friends arrested and dozens more active in this movement on a near daily basis, I take issue with your casual dismissal.

[Mother Of Four]

33. ^---- wish this had a "rec" button nt

[kentauros]

58. "better off relocating to better places"

Why is it that people who don't live here are all to happy to advise us in how to fight the right by running away?

Really now. Would you want us to advise you to do the same when one (or more) of your idiot repubs takes control (like, say, in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Maine)?

Too many people that do not live here can't seem to wrap their brains around the fact that this is Home. And we'll change it for the better, with or without your help, thank you very little.

[cordelia]

27. The only people I am aware of that want the South to secede

are regional bigots and a few irrational types that reside here.

But it's mainly regional bigots.

Exactly who is that should be marched into the sea?

[kentauros]

59. There is another group that wants us to secede:

All the "Liberals" that don't live here. And on DU, my observation has pegged the majority with that attitude as hailing from the PNW. As if the eastern halves of their states wouldn't secede as well, given the chance.

[cordelia]

61. Absolutely correct.

The "I will NEVER step foot in the South!" brigade.

At first I was a bit dismayed by their bigotry, but now I tend to shrug it off.

At least I'm not like they are.

[Sirveri]

81. Do you blame them? The south keeps sending idiotic teabaggers to DC.

Yes, I know that a good amount of the Midwest does it too. But if we simply removed Texas to NC, the rest of the country would run much more smoothly, and those power blocs in the South would be very happy. Sure, Idaho would hate it, and so would the 40-49% of the South that votes for Liberals, but it sure would make MY life easier. In the end, isn't that what it's all about!

^Some/Most/All of the above was sarcasm, I'll let you figure out which

[LuvNewcastle]

9. Were you replying to me?

It's "secession" not "succession." A lot of people make that mistake; I'm just telling you for future reference.

Yes, I'm sure that if it were up for a popular vote, no state would vote to secede. There are a lot of military veterans down here, especially where I live, and very few of them would vote to leave the U.S. Southern states also receive a disproportionate amount of federal aid. A lot of people down here are rather ignorant, but they know where their money is coming from. We also have a lot of old people, many of whom are living off of Social Security. They certainly aren't going to vote to stop receiving those checks.

Southerners know their states can't and won't help them and the economy would fall to pieces if they left the U.S. Besides, even all of the southern states together would be no match for the U.S. military. Secession would be a very stupid thing to do on any level. Sure, there are some who would vote for secession enthusiastically, but most people down here know those people are idiots.

Trust me, I've lived down here all my life and I have deep roots here. Things would really have to get bad before secession would be considered. It would have to be a situation where they had nothing to lose, such as if the federal government collapsed and there was widespread anarchy.

[MarchemintotheSea]

11. No I was not

We both have very different experiences with living and visiting in the South, maybe the majority of Southerners I know really don't hate blacks, even though they call them the n word, or Hispanic people who are all wetbacks according to them, or any one not from the South is a stupid Yankee (Only applies to whites) nonwhites get called the appropriate pejorative.

Maybe the majority of white Southerners are just pretending to be ignorant racists just to mess with us uppity Yankees.

If you all down south held a vote on secession you could pretty much put this issue to bed once in for all.

As it stands now a separate Southern Nation seems to be what ya all want.

[LuvNewcastle]

12. Well aren't you a sweetheart. Enjoy your stay.

[Are_grits_groceries]

13. You know jack about what the South wants AND will quietly accept.

You keep sayin the 'South wants' as if you can devine the true intentions of all.
I've pointed out that there are many people who do not want to secede. That would make a workable secession and a new government problematic.

AND IT'S Y'ALL NOT YA ALL! Cheesy grits much?

I am fed up with arguing with you. You are as obdurate in your beliefs about the South as Teashitters are about theirs. Well done!

[MarchemintotheSea]

15. Seeing that I have lived in mutiple Southern locations I think I know a whole lot about the South

but I am just an Uppity Yankee now so WTF do I know.

[Fawke Em]

67. I'm a GRITS (Girl Raised In The South) and I'm married to a Yankee -

from BOSTON, no less.

The term isn't, "uppity," it's "damn." A Yankee visits and a Damn Yankee stays. But, we love our Damn Yankees. Some of us marry them and have kids with them and everything! :O

[renie408]

20. You are a prime example

of the fact that the majority of people need someone to look down on to make themselves feel superior. You have no idea what you are talking about, yet here you are...talking.

[MarchemintotheSea]

23. You are incorrect..I don't feel superior at all. I see it as different people who want to live a

different way then I do. Now I may feel that the way I want to live is a better way but it is not the only way to live. If a group of people want to live a different way IAW the laws they want, so be it.

Superior nope not in the least.

[Jamastiene]

75. Exactly!

Thank you.

[Mother Of Four]

30. In the ten years I've lived in NC...

I've not heard even once the term "Uppity Yankee" and I live in a deep red pocket.

Not even in the tongue in cheek book my MIL gave me on Southern Slang because I kept going "What?" when I moved down here due to not being able to understand the thick rural accents and shortcut words.

I'm sitting here SMH because you really don't understand how ignorant you're being of this area of the country. Secession would never happen, not in a million years.

I had a long post written out after the comment above but removed it, I don't want to waste my time trying to convince someone who is so set on believing stereotypes.

[Lex]

46. You do realize an awful lot of blacks and latinos live in the South, right?

How do you see that working out for the secessionists, hmmmm?

[Fawke Em]

63. Psstt... it auto corrects on some devices.

Just did it to me, too.

[Fawke Em]

38. Um... in 1860s, only 47 percent of Southerners wanted to secede.

* Alabamians voted 54 secessionists and 46 cooperationists to their secession convention.
* The Arkansas Gazette determined that 43% of Arkansas voters voted for secessionist delegates.
* The Georgia Historical Society has determined that only 49% of Georgia voters voted in favor of secessionist delegates, even though those delegates turned around and voted 70% in favor of immediate secession.
* Louisiana voters either voted 4,258 to 3,978 (52%) in favor of secessionist delegates or 20,448 to 17,296 (54%) in favor of secessionist delegates, depending on who you believe.
* North Carolina voters voted 32.5% in favor of secessionist delegates, but voted against holding a secession convention.
* Tennessee voters voted 20% in favor of secessionist delegates, but voted against holding a secession convention.
* Texas was the only state to actually put the issue of secession to a direct voter referendum prior to Fort Sumter. The vote was 76% in favor of secession.

http://civilwartalk.com/threads/how-many-southerners-favored-secession.23264/

I'm going to guess that with all the federal jobs we now have, the number would be a lot less than even that 47 percent from the pre-Civil War era.

[YoungDemCA]

83. There you go, injecting some historical evidence and logic...

..into a discussion.

Why do that, when we can just bash the South based on crude stereotypes?

[Art_from_Ark]

86. The legislature in Arkansas pretty much ignored

the will of the people, as only one Arkansas legislator voted against secession in 1861.

"Regnat populus" apparently didn't apply in that case.

[Fumesucker]

16. Bless your heart!

In the good way of course..



I agree with you, it's not the South that wants to secede so much as it is the Midwest..

[kentauros]

60. That's a good point about the Midwest wanting to secede instead.

Although, I think they'd be happier if Ohio went away first

to my friends I do have in Ohio, and I feel for ya. I know what it's like living with that kind of corrupt repub control...

[emanymton]

17. Call Them On It.

.

"About the South Seceding...."

Please. Please. Please. Secede.

Person who is man enough to secede from USA and/or person who is brave enough to renounce USA citizenship is an undocumented alien and should leave USA. Given how hard certain people have whined about undocumented aliens in USA, just think how easy it will be to declare people who succeed in seceding - illegal undocumented aliens .... and then .... deport undocumented aliens to Somalia.

Please. Do it!

Secede.

Call, those who call for secession from USA, their bluff. One can expect that when faced with the undocumented alien point, most RepublicanT TeaBagist nut-jobs will quiet down quite quickly.

Ema Nymton
~ @ : o ?
.

[LiberalLoner]

18. I am from Montana and I wish people would stop bashing the South.

Please remember those teabaggers don't speak for everyone in the South anymore than Chris Christie speaks for everyone up North.

And to borrow a phrase from my southern friends,

Bless your heart.

[carolinayellowdog]

24. if they openly advocated eliminating most black Americans, half the Hispanics, and most of the poor

these hatemongering trolls would be out on their ear in a second. So they use code language instead, since regional eliminationist hatemongering is A-OK. I've learned in 11 years at DU that anyone with an abusive username is here to abuse; might as well just hit ignore as soon as one sees the handle.

[cordelia]

26. This.

[baldguy]

19. Do we really need another poverty-stricken, Third-world country on our southern border?

And it's not "bashing" when it's being pointed out how disingenuous, un-American, economically myopic, and downright dangerous the ideas that the majority of people there seem to vote for are.

[Are_grits_groceries]

22. I AM NOT advocating for secession.

I said that it would not be quietly accepted if it ever happened.

It is bashing when you refuse to believe that there are others who don't hold those regressive views. As I said, look at the results of the 2008 and 2012 elevtions. There are many people in Southern states who voted for Obama.

AND please don't tell me how dangerous those ideas are. I was born here and seen their poisonous effects for decades. I have pushed back that long too.

[renie408]

21. I have lived in the Deep South my whole life.

Born in Charleston, SC; raised in Atlanta, Ga; now live in upstate SC south of Charlotte, NC.

The South is not going to secede. Nobody, I mean NOBODY, takes that shit seriously. It is a bizarre subject to even address.

[Fawke Em]

39. I hear more about the Confederacy and the Civil War on DU

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than I ever do in talking with my Southern neighbors, co-workers, friends and acquaintances. The subject of the Civil War or secession never comes up at all.

Yet, all the non-Southerners on DU think that's all we talk about down here.

Note to Non-Southern DUers: We talk about college football, the heat, Southern cuisine and outdoor events far more than we ever talk about the Civil War. Hell, that war rarely ever comes up in general conversation.

[Ishoutandscream2]

54. This!

No one ever talks about it here where I am. No one talks about the Civil War. But I come on DU, and I hear from so many "experts" on the south about what we say and think. And the "experts" don't even live in the south. Imagine that.

[cordelia]

62. Yes, indeed!

[Jamastiene]

76. ^^^^THIS!

Thank you. They think we are all right wing Republicans who are obsessed with the Civil War.

I'll never forget when I met one of my bandmates' (ex-bandmate) mother in upstate NY. I met her and after the nice to meet you comments, the very first thing out of her mouth was "Why do you southerners always obsess about the Civil War so much?" I answered: "Did I say anything about the Civil War? You were the one who brought it up just now, not me. Why did you bring up the Civil War? I'm here to record some punk rock music with your son's great band." She laughed and then we got along fine after she realized I wasn't going to give or take any shit.

People who don't know us, REALLY don't know us. Those who do get to know us, know better.

[renie408]

77. Yep. And I can't remember the last time I saw a Confederate flag...

except on TV over the weekend. I occasionally see Confederate stickers on cars, stuff like that; but the only flags I usually see are US flags. We have a ton of mixed race couples as friends, my kids have friends of many races and few people that I know (including a lot of pretty determined Republicans) are any more or less racist than I imagine people are everywhere.

And nobody talks about the Civil War, gives two shits about secession or talks about any of the things that get attributed to us by outsiders. I do probably hear 'ma'am' and 'sir' more than somebody somewhere else, but I kinda like it.

I get so sick of coming here where theoretically discrimination and bigotry should be anathema and being exposed to the most egregious examples of both against southerners and the South. It's a little ironic, isn't it?

[ladjf]

55. As a life long citizen of the South, I believe that your short simple post most accurately describes

the real situation regarding the topic of the South seceding.

[cynatnite]

25. The South is seceding?

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That's news to me here in TN.

Who knew this was such a problem.

[former9thward]

57. You may wish to brush up on your history.

Delaware and Maryland were not part of the confederacy.

[cynatnite]

71. My bad. Thanks for correcting me. n/t

[brer cat]

28. You are right, grits.

But those who drove through on their way to Fla. or once changed planes at Hartsfield obviously know the south better than those of us born and raised here.

Save your breath, honey. Many of our fellow DUers would much rather cling to their belief that we are all still fighting The War, and only eat grits because we have no teeth.

[gordianot]

29. In Missouri there is a strong sucessionist faction in the Republican Senate.

They seem to discuss this among their supporters by implication and tenth amendment bullshit. I take real affront to the Confederate Battle Flag.

[NCTraveler]

31. People who are for seceding and those who address the topic at all...

thinking it is a possibility are all within the extreme fringe of society.

[Are_grits_groceries]

35. Really?

I am in the extreme fringe now?
I am responding to the many threads about secession and those wanting the South to secede. I am trying to dispel the notion that this would be a move that all in the South would herald.
Did I misunderstand your post?

[NCTraveler]

36. You read it properly.

There is no significant secession movement. Those who want to secede and those who address it as some form of possible reality are fringe elements in society. I am not sure how you can't agree with that statement.

[Phentex]

41. Not sure I'd call you fringe but as renie says above...

it's bizarre to even address this topic at all. Your first line...If that should ever occur

is like saying, "If we ever find a unicorn, everyone will see that it was really a horse."

Why dispel a notion that does not exist?

[Are_grits_groceries]

44. As I said,

there are many posts on DU about secession. Some point out those in society who want to secede. Others want the South to secede.
I was addressing the ideas that some people have about the South and secession. There are those who think it is possible and that it will be a concerted Southern effort.

The idea that the South will secede does exist. It isn't a unicorn.

So color me Fringe.
I will now add that to the names I have been called in my life. These are a few:
1-Unrepentant sinner
2-Communiss traitor
3-Ungrateful child who should leave US
4-Radical atheist
5-Emotarian
6-Emoprog
7-"Counterproductive left wingnut"
8-Fringe member (I am a fringe member to many nutjobs in the South and apparently now I am fringe on DU)

[Phentex]

48. A unicorn is also an idea!

But we don't have to go around telling people not to worry about what they might eat.

The IDEA of secession does exist. But it's ludicrous to think it needs to be addressed.

[Are_grits_groceries]

49. I have seen many threads about secession.

They have many themes. Some want us to secede. Others are posts from different people and groups that have many opinions and goals. I wasn't addressing some issue out of the blue. I was pointing out how difficult it would be. As I said, many lump us as a group and think it would be fine with everybody down here.

Have you scolded the people who post those threads for even daring to post about it?

It is amazing that I am attacked for addressing an issue that is constantly talked about. I am taking a different view of what might happen.

Please go scold all the others who have dared cross your line about what can and should be addressed.

Bless your heart!

[get the red out]

34. SEC Football

If we just tell people in the South that SEC Football won't be "international" and the designated team from the conference won't be winning the NCAA, that should stop secession in its tracks.

Here in Kentucky, if people talk about joining the secession this time I will have to ask how they would feel about no final four ever for the Wildcats and the Cardinals. That would be some shutting up too.

[Fawke Em]

40. LOL... You just made a point for me.

I just mentioned, above, that we talk more about college football (or, in your case, college basketball) far more than we ever talk about secession.

[Fawke Em]

37. East Temmessee was also Union-friendly.

Knoxville was a port town and, as the unofficial University of Tennessee fight song goes, "the ground's too rocky, by far" to have huge plantations.

I still believe that the issue isn't North vs. South. It's urban vs. rural. All four of Tennessee's largest cities - Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville and Chattanooga - boast Democrats for mayors. In Knoxville, our mayor, Madeline Rogero, got her political start working as an organizer for César Chávez's United Farm Workers - hardly right-wing, eh?

And the South simply just has larger rural areas than the North. Just think, if Pittsburgh and Philadelphia were smaller, Pennsylvania would be a red state. It's the large numbers of urban dwellers that keep the state solidly in the blue column.

On another note, if I remember correctly, you are in South Carolina. My Vols should provide your Gamecocks with a good game on Saturday. We're still healing from three coaches in four years, but, after the fight we gave Georgia, y'all better watch out!

[Sissyk]

43. I must disagree with you.

We are still healing from the egotistical, cowardly, incompetent, dumb ass Kiffen. Dooley was just a dumb ass. lol!

I'm very happy with Jones, though. We are coming back!!

See, I also just helped prove your point? War? What war?

[Fawke Em]

66. Yup.

And you're not the only one. Looks like the thread is being hijacked with SEC talk!

Proves my point to a !

[Are_grits_groceries]

47. TELL ME YOU JUST DID NOT CALL THEM

MY GAMECOCKS!

I am a Clemson University alumni. They are our mortal enemies.
I hope Tennessee beats them to an effin' pulp!
I assure you that the feeling from them is mutual.

Unless you retract that statement, I will have to challenge you to a duel!

[Fawke Em]

64. My apologies!

And, glad to have your support!

(I lived in Anderson, SC right out of college - a hop, skip and a jump from Clemson. I fully understand my mistake and regret that it was made.)

[Are_grits_groceries]

68. Apology accepted!

That was a mortal insult if it had stood. I'd rather be a Yankee.lol

[Fawke Em]

82. I'd love to tell you about the T-shirt I saw at a party this weekend.

It had Spurrier's face and said... ahem...

"This man was a COCK before he was coach of South Carolina."



I agreed.

[Fawke Em]

84. Also, this, too (in Palin vernacular), your in-state rival is

more hated than ours.

We love Vandy. I know we call them the Commode Doors and such, but we respect them as the smart kids' school, so, we don't hate them like you do the REAL USC or like Bama does Auburn or like UGA and Georgia Tech. We love our smart little brothers.

[Stinky The Clown]

42. You get my rec

[BluegrassStateBlues]

45. Nothing goes against our founding principles more than secession.

Those secessionist assholes should read the Federalist papers.

[IronLionZion]

50. People move, the demographics change in many places

and we have seen parts of some southern states get more competitive for democrats at every level. Kentucky seems competitive for a Dem to beat mcconnel. Obama won Virginia and FloriDUH twice, and even got North Carolina once. And many Southern states have dems at the state and local levels, especially in cities and African-American areas. Hispanics have also had a lot of effect on the changing demographics, plus migration from northern states.

[carolinayellowdog]

79. black migration to VA, NC, GA, FL is crucial to turning them "blue"

but this may well be at the cost of MI, OH, WI, IL getting redder. Illinois can afford to lose some Democratic voters but those other states could shift into red column due to the same longterm demographics that have already turned VA and FL blue in presidential elections.

[karadax]

51. Less about "the south" seceding..

and more about R's in EVERY state wanting to secede. I grew up in upstate NY. That entire area is Republican. I am certain that if they could have that wet-dream of NYC + long island forming its own state they would. The urban / rural divide is significant. I think some northern Californian counties have the same rationale behind their petitions.

I'm not a fan of states leaving the union, but I am ok with the concept of the Republic which means the States should run 95% of the show. If that makes any sense.

[Katashi_itto]

52. It would be messy. I live in New Orleans and we unwillingly support the rest of the State

financially. We provide the revenue to the Republican politicians who continually squander it.

If LA didn't have us they'd be bankrupt in a month.

The State would love to secede.

New Orleans would not.

You would have a battle right there.

New Orleans ethic populations would not be willing to go back to slavery for some reason (go figure). Louisiana couldn't live without the revenue we generate.

I think there would lots of examples like that all over the US.

[raging moderate]

53. Please call Randy Hultgren, R-IL, 202-225-2976.

Please inform him that the white racists are taking over the Republican party to destroy the party of Lincoln. Maybe remind him that we had plenty of racist secret Confederacy supporters in the North (copperheads, we called them). Perhaps suggest to him that he is helping to turn the Grand Old Party into the party, not of Lincoln, but of his murderers. And possibly tell him to re-open the WHOLE United States government of the people, by the people, for the people.

I just did, but it would be nice to have company.

[TeamPooka]

65. The South can't afford to secede. They need Federal dollars to survive.

[AlinPA]

69. The stupid teabggers and racists are controlling PA; the governor is a teabagger, they control the

State Senate and State House, one US Senator is a teabagger and 13 of 18 US House seats are teabaggers. So we can't say the idiots are all down south.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. Book recomendation

http://www.amazon.com/American-Nations-History-Regional-Cultures/dp/0143122029

[steve2470]

72. When I was growing up here in the South, I NEVER heard about the Confederacy

Absolutely never, unless it was in a school history lesson. The Confederate flag was never flown in my neighborhood or my house. The Civil War was NEVER referred to as the War of Northern Aggression. As someone said above, I hear more about secession and the Confederacy on DU than I ever have in my entire life.

The former confederacy is going absolutely nowhere. There's too many of we intelligent and enlightened Southerners here to allow that to happen, and way too many transplanted "Yankees", especially here in Florida. I really grow tired of the south bashing on DU, but it's ok apparently.

over

[Jamastiene]

73. K&R

I'm down here in a blue area in a big red state too. It's shitty to have to deal with those assholes and be outnumbered, then get hate from every angle just because of where we are from. It would happen exactly how you explain it, imo.

[kentauros]

74. This is for all of those that have stated

"I have lived in the South before." I see that's a past-tense sentence. You lived here. You didn't settle down, put in roots, and call it Home. You were a transient.

In my experience, transients don't let go of the prejudices they bring with them from where they do call Home (no matter where that is on the continent; such prejudices happen with all people from all regions.) They then either come across as rude, or have an ingrained antagonistic attitude against us. And so, y'all end up getting exactly what you expected from those of us that do call this place down south as Home.

[Initech]

78. Better idea - let's ship 'em all to Somalia instead.

They really want to live in a world where everyone has guns and nobody is in charge? I've got the perfect country for you then!

[bluestate10]

80. The Presidential map showed significant Blue in Alabama. The state went for Romney, but not

blood red for Romney. I don't know whether Alabama will go blood red is a real right-wing nut runs, but that significant parts of the state could vote for a Blackman as President is encouraging.

[Uncle Joe]

85. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Are_grits_groceries.