House GOP Waiting On Obama After Submitting New Debt Limit Plan

[WilliamPitt]

House Republicans submitted a new plan for raising the debt limit to President Barack Obama Thursday at 10 p.m., and are awaiting a response, according to Politico.

The latest proposal would raise the debt ceiling through Nov. 22 and fund the government until Dec. 15, Politico reports. This would then prompt budget talks in aims of reaching a broader deal on spending and debt.

The rest: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/house-gop-waiting-on-obama-after-submitting-new-plan

...here we go again.

[The Magistrate]

1. Unconditional Surrender Means Unconditional Surrender, Sir

The debt ceiling must be raised by an amount that will fall due not in this but the next Congress, and the continuing resolution must be for the entire fiscal year: neither can have any condition attached.

"I will fight it out on this line if it takes all summer long."

[WilliamPitt]

2. Indeed.

"Not one step back."

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. The original CR was only through mid-November, so a fiscal year CR is unlikely

Agree that the debt limit should be raised through the next Congress, though.

[The Magistrate]

9. They Will Do This Every Time, Sir --- Might As Well Get It Over With Once And For All

They have to drop the gun and kick it over to the officer; they cannot just tuck it back in the waist-band and drape a shirt-tail over it.

[randome]

10. Good analogy.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. I don't disagree, and a CR through the next fiscal would be ideal, I suppose

But that wasn't even in the Senate "clean" CR we've been asking the House GOP to pass. A CR through the next fiscal would be a completely new demand. Like I said, I'm not against it, though I do agree that appropriations by CR are less desirable than an actual budget.

[The Magistrate]

19. I Understand, Sir

And from a cut-throat's view, I would not much mind watching these un-American reptiles repeat the whole exercise between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

But it must end in absolute defeat for them: they cannot be allowed even the least hint of cover to drape over their shame when this is done.

"Every normal man must sometimes be tempted to hoist the black flag, spit on his hands, and begin cutting throats."

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. Agree, but that's an unlikely result

[The Magistrate]

24. It Is Far From A Maximalist Position, Sir

I suspect a majority of the country would find it right and proper....

[Laelth]

30. I certainly do.

Well said on all counts.

-Laelth

[KoKo]

31. +1

[Owl]

15. I absolutely agree. Kicking the can down the road will only prolong angst in people and markets.

It's primary purpose is to try to deflect negative public opinion from the GOP toward President Obama by tossing him the hot potato.

[meadowlark5]

3. Did the rethugs purposely want to put another fight right in the middle of the holidays?

Do they honestly think they could change public opinion of them in that time if they got that short reprieve? I would think republican hate would be extra strong if they pulled this shit right around Thanksgiving and Christmas. Or do they falsely think that the holidays would give them more leverage? Just like they thought the govt shutdown and default would do?

[randome]

4. Ha! You used the word 'think' in relation to Republicans. How droll.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[earthside]

7. Good point.

Pres. Obama should say 'no' and hold out for a longer term for raising the debt ceiling and for a CR that runs through next October.

However --- it is a good point about what the Repuglicans are asking for --- it proves just how insane and irrational they have become.

Do they think they will be better off if they have to go through all of this in just another month?
Do they think that arguing for cuts in Social Security and Medicare and for more tax cuts for the wealthy will increase their leverage with the public thirty days or so from now?

If Obama and the congressional Democrats were really going for the Repuglican jugular, maybe they ought to give them just until November.

[surrealAmerican]

12. I'm sure they're willing to work through their whole holiday recess ...

... to resolve these budgetary issues.
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I crack myself up sometimes.

[KoKo]

33. They would love the theatrics of the Midnight Vote and then the jump

on the private/corporate jet to be home for the Holidays. It's the way they work. They've gotten away with it before...and are going to try it again because they think its SUCCESS.

We shall see if it works out that way for them this time. It's up to the President.

[displacedtexan]

5. We're at that proverbial line in the sand

Even the slightest capitulation, such as that medical device tax concession, will tell the world that we're still afraid of being called liberal.

[warrior1]

8. sounds like they want to extent

their destruction ad infinitum

[Lex]

11. Maybe he will give them time to take care of their Ted Cruz problem

and dump their lush of a Speaker.

[leftynyc]

13. Shouldn't they be

talking to the Senate first?

[Agnosticsherbet]

14. Why are the Republicans making war on Christmas?

Consumer confidence is in the shitter. People are out of work because of this, and pushing the crises to just before Christmas is going to guarantee a bad Christmas season for the economy. Since many companies see Christmas as the time when they actually make a profit, it appears that Republicans are <b>Hell</b> bent (emphasis on hell) to destroy the economy during the Christmas Profit taking season.

[WilliamPitt]

23. Thread Win.

[Agnosticsherbet]

25. Thanks. That is high praise. n/t

[libdem4life]

28. Hell bent to destroy the economy AND blame the Democrats. It's worked on "negotiations".

Count the number of times the media showed flag draped coffins ... now imagine a steady stream of crying children (and frantic parents and retail workers and small business owners, et al) because Santa isn't going to come this year.

They don't give a crap if their approval rating is in the toilet. Their "principles" and their donors mean more to them and that gives them the power.

[Coyotl]

16. Offer something already refused and blame Obama...that worked real well already. "Please proceed."

Keep digging in!



#GOPshutdown

[Buns_of_Fire]

18. I hope they're holding their breath. nt

[ChangeUp106]

20. I fear the Grand Bargain

Hold the line

[bigwillq]

22. No deal. Didn't realize the GOP only offered a temporary solution.

Makes no sense to only raise debt limit until Nov and fund only until Dec. We will have to do this all over again when those temporary timelines expire.

[Wounded Bear]

26. Now is not the time to listen to "offers"

The 'deal' is on the table. Take it or be responsible for tanking the economy and losing shit-tons of money for your rich donors.

[Downtown Hound]

27. Hey Republicans, maybe you should try repealing Obamacare for the 500th time!

I'm sure it will work this time.

[libdem4life]

29. Open the Government. Then we "talk".

[Buddha_of_Wisdom]

32. Here's a message from President Obama

[font size="5" color="red"]FUCK NO.[/font]