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rainy

(6,091 posts)
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 09:57 AM Oct 2013

Can Obama bargain something good for the left now?

Why does it always have to be us doing what they want? I'm hoping that Obama will go big for the left and ask for an increase in revenue from the wealthiest since we are and have been at war.

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Can Obama bargain something good for the left now? (Original Post) rainy Oct 2013 OP
What now? jsr Oct 2013 #1
He better not MSMITH33156 Oct 2013 #2
As the Republicans just learned, to get something in negotiations you have to give something geek tragedy Oct 2013 #3
He isn't even trying. He is just playing defense BlueStreak Oct 2013 #4
It's like negotiating with a pack of wolves nipping at your heels. Eddie Haskell Oct 2013 #5
With what Congress? Orsino Oct 2013 #6

MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
2. He better not
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 10:30 AM
Oct 2013

start making demands over the CR or Debt Ceiling. That just legitimizes the Republican strategy of saying that these are things that can be negotiated over.

After a clean CR is passed and the debt ceiling is raised, then the House and Senate can pass competing budgets, and they can go to conference, resolve differences, and then send it to the President. That's how government is supposed to work. Now in that budget, we better be getting some liberal things. The audacity of these Republicans to make demands and try to force their agenda on the American people. If they want something, they also have to give something. And they should be giving more since Obama can just veto anything if he doesn't like it. So yes, he should ask for plenty in exchange for giving them something, but none of it should come from this shutdown and debt ceiling game the Republicans are playing. The Republicans know they are a minority party (ironically because they are void of minorities), so they have no way of getting anything they want without giving in to a lot of stuff they don't want. That's why they resorted to this strategy in the first place. But Obama making demands is no better than the Republicans doing so now.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. As the Republicans just learned, to get something in negotiations you have to give something
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 10:34 AM
Oct 2013

If there's going to be deals, it's going to be increased discretionary spending and possibly increased revenue in exchange for simplified tax reform and . . . 'reforms' to Medicare and Social Security.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
4. He isn't even trying. He is just playing defense
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 10:36 AM
Oct 2013

And as usual they capitulated before even opening the discussions by unilaterally agreeing to continuing the sequester levels.

Eddie Haskell

(1,628 posts)
5. It's like negotiating with a pack of wolves nipping at your heels.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 10:38 AM
Oct 2013

The best thing he can do is keep running.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
6. With what Congress?
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 11:25 AM
Oct 2013

Boehner may cave on the debt limit and reopen the government, but I don't see him expanding Medicare/Medicaid/SNAP any year soon.

Nor Boehner's replacement.

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