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Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 11:48 PM Oct 2013

Ever think you would live long enough to see such a stinking pile of shit?

I am 66 and was drafted during a giant pile of it called Vietnam, but what we have with the current repuke party since the 1980s is already far more damaging to the American people than that stupid war. Never, in my wildest dreams, did I think a political party would ever top what Coolidge and Hoover shit out from 1921-1933, but this bunch is trying their best.

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Ever think you would live long enough to see such a stinking pile of shit? (Original Post) Elwood P Dowd Oct 2013 OP
and Worse than Watergate, even. elleng Oct 2013 #1
Worse than Watergate, Vietnam, and the rigged 2000 election combined. Elwood P Dowd Oct 2013 #2
Right, they're disasters. elleng Oct 2013 #3
Not me Kennah Oct 2013 #4
At one time, I thought it could never be worse than Nixon young_at_heart Oct 2013 #5
My older sister is almost 74. She actually changed from repuke to Democrat in 2012. Elwood P Dowd Oct 2013 #6
I know, right?? What could be worse than that evil Nixon? Now he seems Nay Oct 2013 #29
I knew when Reagan put the antiabortion plank in the party platform Warpy Oct 2013 #7
Goldwater predicted it ErikJ Oct 2013 #16
This Shows Just How Far Things Have Gone Leith Oct 2013 #20
Compared to what we are witnessing in the GOP now . . . Brigid Oct 2013 #31
He wasn't all bad pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #33
That's because he was an old-line Repub/Conserve... Wounded Bear Oct 2013 #34
And Einsenhower! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #36
Good post, ErikJ. Thanks. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #26
His finest moment came Warpy Oct 2013 #37
Love this! CrispyQ Oct 2013 #30
They don't remember Vietnam they sat it out on the sidelines. 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #8
All the repuke leadership my age were draft dodgers. Elwood P Dowd Oct 2013 #9
Like I said the list is out there. 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #12
Here is an old list I had from a few years ago. Elwood P Dowd Oct 2013 #19
whoa...what a list. SoapBox Oct 2013 #21
Notice that Gohmert, graduated HS in '71 and Neugebauer born in '49 are not on the list. 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #23
That says a lot right there. And don't forget Dick Cheney. Well, he might be a little older. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #24
Its got me so upset that everywhere I go Harvey does with me. grantcart Oct 2013 #10
I just drank a cool one for Harvey. Elwood P Dowd Oct 2013 #13
Why not? fNord Oct 2013 #11
It's what we get from low information voters ffr Oct 2013 #14
In 1999, the day after the BillyRibs Oct 2013 #15
Yes, been blogging about it for ten years nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #17
No. I am 72 and I remember setting at the table one thanksgiving day with my family who are jwirr Oct 2013 #18
They've always been a bunch of frauds.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #22
The impeachment of President Clinton was just as bad! B Calm Oct 2013 #25
Never. nt bemildred Oct 2013 #27
Yes. I'm your age BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #28
I'm 55. Brigid Oct 2013 #32
No. I'm 48 pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #35

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
2. Worse than Watergate, Vietnam, and the rigged 2000 election combined.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 12:13 AM
Oct 2013

The 3 worse economic recessions/depressions the past 84 years all happened with a repuke in the White House. Over the past 50 years, 8 of our 9 recessions happened with a repuke in the White House.

Kennah

(14,265 posts)
4. Not me
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 12:20 AM
Oct 2013

I continue to cling to the belief that they will soon realize they've gone too far, and before course correcting. However, I've been thinking that for more than 2 years.

young_at_heart

(3,767 posts)
5. At one time, I thought it could never be worse than Nixon
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 12:28 AM
Oct 2013

I'm 74 (don't remember how I got to be this old!) and have lots of memories but what I've seen lately takes the prize!!

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
6. My older sister is almost 74. She actually changed from repuke to Democrat in 2012.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 12:45 AM
Oct 2013

Said she just couldn't them anymore.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
29. I know, right?? What could be worse than that evil Nixon? Now he seems
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 10:22 AM
Oct 2013

almost quaint. I'm 62, remember quite a lot of the political situations in my lifetime, and the Republican Party these days has flown into outer space. To some nutty planet somewhere.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
7. I knew when Reagan put the antiabortion plank in the party platform
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 12:51 AM
Oct 2013

to bring in the Jerry Falwell followers that the party was completely sunk and it was only a matter of a few decades before they ripped the party completely apart.

And this bunch are much worse than the muzzy headed Coolidge and the too-little-too-late Hoover. They honestly don't give a shit about the country. They have been driven completely insane by a combination of right wing propaganda and trash talk from the pulpits to reinforce it.

I keep thinking this represents the death throes of that party. I just hope I'm right. I'd like to outlive the Republican Party. It's the best revenge I can think of.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
20. This Shows Just How Far Things Have Gone
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:32 AM
Oct 2013

When even DUers accept Barry Goldwater as the voice of reason.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
33. He wasn't all bad
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:50 PM
Oct 2013

He supported gays in the military, was prochoice, and hated the Christian Reich wing. I can support him on those platforms.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
34. That's because he was an old-line Repub/Conserve...
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:54 PM
Oct 2013

Generally, one could at least deal with them and make reasonable compromises. That's gone now.

Although, I believe he was the one who blathered the whole "Extremism in the name of liberty is no vice...." meme, too.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
37. His finest moment came
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 04:47 PM
Oct 2013

when he wanted nothing more than to deliver a solid kick to Falwell's arse.

Well, I hope he's gotten his wish, not that I believe in any sort of afterlife.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
9. All the repuke leadership my age were draft dodgers.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 12:56 AM
Oct 2013

Limbaugh, O'Lielly, Fred Barnes, Roger Ailes, Savage, and all the other talking heads were draft dodgers.

4bucksagallon

(975 posts)
12. Like I said the list is out there.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:07 AM
Oct 2013

It really needs to be updated for this current fight though because guys like Gohmert aren't on it or the guy that was ridiculing the Park Ranger about the WWII memorial shutdown.
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/chickenhawks.html
http://www.nndb.com/event/806/000140386/

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
19. Here is an old list I had from a few years ago.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:11 AM
Oct 2013

John Boner and Mitch McChinless were not that prominent back then, and neither were some of the other current crop of crooks, cowards, hypocrites, and liars in the current news. This list also includes what are called Chicken Hawks who turned 18 after the draft finally ended in 1973.

Spencer Abraham
Elliott Abrams
Ken Adelman
Roger Ailes
Lamar Alexander
George Felix Allen
Richard Keith "Dick" Armey
John Ashcroft
Harvey Leroy "Lee" Atwater
Haley Reeves Barbour
Bob Barr
Roscoe Bartlett
Robert Leroy Bartley
Joseph Linus "Joe" Barton
Charles Foster "Charlie" Bass
Gary Lee Bauer
Glenn Lee Beck
William Bennett
Richard B. Berman
Wolf Isaac Blitzer
Richard Blumenthal
Roy Blunt
John Andrew Boehner
Clint Bolick
John Bolton
Pat Boone
Neal Boortz
Max Boot
James Paul David "Jim" Bunning
George Walker Bush
John Ellis "Jeb" Bush
Carl Cameron
Kirk Thomas Cameron
Andrew "Andy" Card
Gerald Posner Carmen
Clarence Saxby Chambliss
John P.H. "Pecker Head" Chandler
Richard Bruce "Still Dick" Cheney
Thomas Leo Clancy
Thomas Allen "Tom" Coburn
Roy Cohn
Norman Bertram "Norm" Coleman
John Cornyn III
Ann Hart Coulter
Toby Keith Covel
Larry "Wide Stance" Craig
Dinesh D'Souza
Thomas Dale "Tom," "The Hammer" DeLay
Steven James Doocy
Charles Gwynne "Chuck" Douglas III
John Mathias Engler
Donald Louis Evans
Jerry Lamon Falwell
Don Feder
Douglas J. Feith
Jim Finnegan
Bryan Fischer
Malcolm Stevenson "Steve" Forbes
Yoshihiro Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich
Rudolph Wiliam Louis "Rudy" Giuliani
Alan Gottlieb
William Franklin "Billy" Graham
William Franklin Graham
William Phillip "Phil" Gramm
Lee Greenwood
Judd Gregg
Sean Hannity
Paul Harvey
Dennis Hastert
John Edgar Hoover
Brit Hume
Asa Hutchinson
Young Timothy Hutchinson
David R. Ignatius
Laura Anne Ingraham
Frederick Walter Kagan
Robert Kagan
Joyce Kaufman
Francis Anthony Keating
Ronald Kessler
Alan Lee Keyes
Brian Kilmeade
Charles De Ganahl Koch
David Koch
William "Bill" Kristol
Jon Llewellyn Kyle
Wayne LaPierre
Michael Arthur Ledeen
Irve Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Joseph Isidore "Joe" Lieberman
David Limbaugh
Rush Hudson Limbaugh III
William "Bill" Loeb III
Chester Trent Lott, Sr.
Frank I. Luntz
David Martin McIntosh
Joseph "Joe" McQuaid
Gerald McRaney
Michael Medved
John Luigi Mica
Don Nickles
Grover Glenn Norquist
Theodore Anthony "Ted" Nugent
William "Bill" O'Reilly
Patrick Jake "PJ" O'Rourke
Marvin Olasky
John M. Olin
Ted Olson
Richard Norman Perle
James Danforth "Dan" Quayle
Michael Reagan
Ralph Eugene Reed, Jr.
Robert James "Kid Rock" Ritchie
Marion Gordon "Pat" Robertson
Willard Mitt Romney
Karl Christian Rove
Marco Antonio Rubio
Antonin Gregory Scalia
Charles Joseph "Joe" Scarborough
Todd Andrew Schnitt
Melvin Floyd "Mel" Sembler
Richard Craig Shelby
Alan Kooi Simpson
Francis Albert "Frank" Sinatra
Willard Cleon Skousen
Robert Anthony "Tony" Snow
Britney Jean Spears
Sylvester Gardenzio "Sly" Stallone
Kenneth Winston Starr
Michael Stephen Steele
Benjamin Jeremy "Ben" Stein
Mark Steyn
David Alan Stockman
Roger Stone
Thomas Gerard "Tom" Tancredo
James Taranto
Clarence Thomas
Fred Thompson
Meldrim "Mel" Thomson
Donn Tibbetts
Clyde Anderson Tolson
Robert Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.
Jon Vincent Voight
Christopher "Chris" Wallace
John P. Walters
John "Duke" Wayne
John Vincent "Vin" Weber
Michael Alan "Michael Savage" Weiner
William Floyd "Bill" Weld
George Frederick Will
Walter Winchell
Paul Dundes Wolfowitz

4bucksagallon

(975 posts)
23. Notice that Gohmert, graduated HS in '71 and Neugebauer born in '49 are not on the list.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:48 AM
Oct 2013

The list should be updated to reflect this current crop of chicken hawks/draft dodgers. I read Gohmerts wiki page and he joined in 1978, after college and after the draft ended, ensuring he would not have to serve, in Nam. The other guy Neugebauer it doesn't say why but he did not serve and he would have been subject to the draft. But of course there were those that were draftable and those that pulled strings. Like GW Shrubbery. I do wish someone would update this list there definitely is a new class of cowards and chicken hawks in Congress these days.They came in with the T'Baggers.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
24. That says a lot right there. And don't forget Dick Cheney. Well, he might be a little older.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 06:19 AM
Oct 2013

I do not believe a single one of them was ideologically opposed to the war, they just didn't want the inconvenience and risk in their lives. That's why they are called chickenhawks.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
13. I just drank a cool one for Harvey.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:24 AM
Oct 2013

He is still depressed that Jimmy Stewart turned out to be a repuke. One of the few nice ones but still a repuke.

fNord

(1,756 posts)
11. Why not?
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:07 AM
Oct 2013

I was alive when the three most powerful men in the world were named: Bush, Dick, & Colin.

I am now certain that we are living in a low camp novella

ffr

(22,670 posts)
14. It's what we get from low information voters
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:24 AM
Oct 2013

Faux tells them to vote one way. Faux promotes certain candidates. Koch Bros dump $236m into the process to grease the wheels and make it happen. This is the result.

A steaming pile.

 

BillyRibs

(787 posts)
15. In 1999, the day after the
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:26 AM
Oct 2013

repeal of the Glass-Stigal act, I sat down at a friends basement bar and commented. "They really want a 2ed Great Depression don't they?" his response, "Sure looks that way don't it!?" IOW Yes I did, few would listen, but the tell tail signs were their.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. No. I am 72 and I remember setting at the table one thanksgiving day with my family who are
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:00 AM
Oct 2013

all of German descent and talking about WWII in which we had members in the armed services. I remember assuring them that we would not see that because we had a strong constitution. I also told them that FDR had made sure we would not see another Great Depression because of various laws he had enacted.

Little did I know that a movie actor named raygun and a no cattle cowboy from Texas would come along and then the teabaggers would finish the work these two had begun. I do not need to tell many of you that I am afraid. All that stands between us and those fears is a President who in the past has been all too ready to compromise with the very people trying to take this country down.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
22. They've always been a bunch of frauds....
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:47 AM
Oct 2013

They're just not as good at hiding it as they used to be.

We can thank the Internet for that. How many times did you read the paper when it was tossed in the yard?

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
28. Yes. I'm your age
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 08:44 AM
Oct 2013

and we used to tell each other that we were here to see the curtain close. Little did I realize that would mean tearing down the rafters.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
32. I'm 55.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:38 PM
Oct 2013

And unless we can get the Repugs so far out of power that they can't even smell it, I expect to watch this country completely collapse by the time I'm pushing up daisies.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
35. No. I'm 48
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:58 PM
Oct 2013

and I remember to the day the Moral Majority forming and joining the GOP. I thought they'd never last. I believed we'd still continue on the progressive trajectory of the 70's.
Instead, President Ford was the last sane, prochoice Republican, (and likable! First Lady Betty Ford was all sorts of awesome and barrier breaking.) Jimmy Carter was voted out and the monstrous Reagan was in. And here we are.

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