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I am 66 and was drafted during a giant pile of it called Vietnam, but what we have with the current repuke party since the 1980s is already far more damaging to the American people than that stupid war. Never, in my wildest dreams, did I think a political party would ever top what Coolidge and Hoover shit out from 1921-1933, but this bunch is trying their best.
elleng
(130,908 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)The 3 worse economic recessions/depressions the past 84 years all happened with a repuke in the White House. Over the past 50 years, 8 of our 9 recessions happened with a repuke in the White House.
elleng
(130,908 posts)Kennah
(14,265 posts)I continue to cling to the belief that they will soon realize they've gone too far, and before course correcting. However, I've been thinking that for more than 2 years.
young_at_heart
(3,767 posts)I'm 74 (don't remember how I got to be this old!) and have lots of memories but what I've seen lately takes the prize!!
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Said she just couldn't them anymore.
Nay
(12,051 posts)almost quaint. I'm 62, remember quite a lot of the political situations in my lifetime, and the Republican Party these days has flown into outer space. To some nutty planet somewhere.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)to bring in the Jerry Falwell followers that the party was completely sunk and it was only a matter of a few decades before they ripped the party completely apart.
And this bunch are much worse than the muzzy headed Coolidge and the too-little-too-late Hoover. They honestly don't give a shit about the country. They have been driven completely insane by a combination of right wing propaganda and trash talk from the pulpits to reinforce it.
I keep thinking this represents the death throes of that party. I just hope I'm right. I'd like to outlive the Republican Party. It's the best revenge I can think of.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Leith
(7,809 posts)When even DUers accept Barry Goldwater as the voice of reason.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Goldwater was a voice of reason.
pitbullgirl1965
(564 posts)He supported gays in the military, was prochoice, and hated the Christian Reich wing. I can support him on those platforms.
Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)Generally, one could at least deal with them and make reasonable compromises. That's gone now.
Although, I believe he was the one who blathered the whole "Extremism in the name of liberty is no vice...." meme, too.
pitbullgirl1965
(564 posts)Warning against the M/I complex. Holy cow they've gone insane. Yes, he did say that.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Warpy
(111,261 posts)when he wanted nothing more than to deliver a solid kick to Falwell's arse.
Well, I hope he's gotten his wish, not that I believe in any sort of afterlife.
4bucksagallon
(975 posts)At least 99% of them did.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Limbaugh, O'Lielly, Fred Barnes, Roger Ailes, Savage, and all the other talking heads were draft dodgers.
4bucksagallon
(975 posts)It really needs to be updated for this current fight though because guys like Gohmert aren't on it or the guy that was ridiculing the Park Ranger about the WWII memorial shutdown.
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/chickenhawks.html
http://www.nndb.com/event/806/000140386/
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)John Boner and Mitch McChinless were not that prominent back then, and neither were some of the other current crop of crooks, cowards, hypocrites, and liars in the current news. This list also includes what are called Chicken Hawks who turned 18 after the draft finally ended in 1973.
Spencer Abraham
Elliott Abrams
Ken Adelman
Roger Ailes
Lamar Alexander
George Felix Allen
Richard Keith "Dick" Armey
John Ashcroft
Harvey Leroy "Lee" Atwater
Haley Reeves Barbour
Bob Barr
Roscoe Bartlett
Robert Leroy Bartley
Joseph Linus "Joe" Barton
Charles Foster "Charlie" Bass
Gary Lee Bauer
Glenn Lee Beck
William Bennett
Richard B. Berman
Wolf Isaac Blitzer
Richard Blumenthal
Roy Blunt
John Andrew Boehner
Clint Bolick
John Bolton
Pat Boone
Neal Boortz
Max Boot
James Paul David "Jim" Bunning
George Walker Bush
John Ellis "Jeb" Bush
Carl Cameron
Kirk Thomas Cameron
Andrew "Andy" Card
Gerald Posner Carmen
Clarence Saxby Chambliss
John P.H. "Pecker Head" Chandler
Richard Bruce "Still Dick" Cheney
Thomas Leo Clancy
Thomas Allen "Tom" Coburn
Roy Cohn
Norman Bertram "Norm" Coleman
John Cornyn III
Ann Hart Coulter
Toby Keith Covel
Larry "Wide Stance" Craig
Dinesh D'Souza
Thomas Dale "Tom," "The Hammer" DeLay
Steven James Doocy
Charles Gwynne "Chuck" Douglas III
John Mathias Engler
Donald Louis Evans
Jerry Lamon Falwell
Don Feder
Douglas J. Feith
Jim Finnegan
Bryan Fischer
Malcolm Stevenson "Steve" Forbes
Yoshihiro Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich
Rudolph Wiliam Louis "Rudy" Giuliani
Alan Gottlieb
William Franklin "Billy" Graham
William Franklin Graham
William Phillip "Phil" Gramm
Lee Greenwood
Judd Gregg
Sean Hannity
Paul Harvey
Dennis Hastert
John Edgar Hoover
Brit Hume
Asa Hutchinson
Young Timothy Hutchinson
David R. Ignatius
Laura Anne Ingraham
Frederick Walter Kagan
Robert Kagan
Joyce Kaufman
Francis Anthony Keating
Ronald Kessler
Alan Lee Keyes
Brian Kilmeade
Charles De Ganahl Koch
David Koch
William "Bill" Kristol
Jon Llewellyn Kyle
Wayne LaPierre
Michael Arthur Ledeen
Irve Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Joseph Isidore "Joe" Lieberman
David Limbaugh
Rush Hudson Limbaugh III
William "Bill" Loeb III
Chester Trent Lott, Sr.
Frank I. Luntz
David Martin McIntosh
Joseph "Joe" McQuaid
Gerald McRaney
Michael Medved
John Luigi Mica
Don Nickles
Grover Glenn Norquist
Theodore Anthony "Ted" Nugent
William "Bill" O'Reilly
Patrick Jake "PJ" O'Rourke
Marvin Olasky
John M. Olin
Ted Olson
Richard Norman Perle
James Danforth "Dan" Quayle
Michael Reagan
Ralph Eugene Reed, Jr.
Robert James "Kid Rock" Ritchie
Marion Gordon "Pat" Robertson
Willard Mitt Romney
Karl Christian Rove
Marco Antonio Rubio
Antonin Gregory Scalia
Charles Joseph "Joe" Scarborough
Todd Andrew Schnitt
Melvin Floyd "Mel" Sembler
Richard Craig Shelby
Alan Kooi Simpson
Francis Albert "Frank" Sinatra
Willard Cleon Skousen
Robert Anthony "Tony" Snow
Britney Jean Spears
Sylvester Gardenzio "Sly" Stallone
Kenneth Winston Starr
Michael Stephen Steele
Benjamin Jeremy "Ben" Stein
Mark Steyn
David Alan Stockman
Roger Stone
Thomas Gerard "Tom" Tancredo
James Taranto
Clarence Thomas
Fred Thompson
Meldrim "Mel" Thomson
Donn Tibbetts
Clyde Anderson Tolson
Robert Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.
Jon Vincent Voight
Christopher "Chris" Wallace
John P. Walters
John "Duke" Wayne
John Vincent "Vin" Weber
Michael Alan "Michael Savage" Weiner
William Floyd "Bill" Weld
George Frederick Will
Walter Winchell
Paul Dundes Wolfowitz
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)4bucksagallon
(975 posts)The list should be updated to reflect this current crop of chicken hawks/draft dodgers. I read Gohmerts wiki page and he joined in 1978, after college and after the draft ended, ensuring he would not have to serve, in Nam. The other guy Neugebauer it doesn't say why but he did not serve and he would have been subject to the draft. But of course there were those that were draftable and those that pulled strings. Like GW Shrubbery. I do wish someone would update this list there definitely is a new class of cowards and chicken hawks in Congress these days.They came in with the T'Baggers.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I do not believe a single one of them was ideologically opposed to the war, they just didn't want the inconvenience and risk in their lives. That's why they are called chickenhawks.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)He is still depressed that Jimmy Stewart turned out to be a repuke. One of the few nice ones but still a repuke.
fNord
(1,756 posts)I was alive when the three most powerful men in the world were named: Bush, Dick, & Colin.
I am now certain that we are living in a low camp novella
ffr
(22,670 posts)Faux tells them to vote one way. Faux promotes certain candidates. Koch Bros dump $236m into the process to grease the wheels and make it happen. This is the result.
A steaming pile.
BillyRibs
(787 posts)repeal of the Glass-Stigal act, I sat down at a friends basement bar and commented. "They really want a 2ed Great Depression don't they?" his response, "Sure looks that way don't it!?" IOW Yes I did, few would listen, but the tell tail signs were their.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)all of German descent and talking about WWII in which we had members in the armed services. I remember assuring them that we would not see that because we had a strong constitution. I also told them that FDR had made sure we would not see another Great Depression because of various laws he had enacted.
Little did I know that a movie actor named raygun and a no cattle cowboy from Texas would come along and then the teabaggers would finish the work these two had begun. I do not need to tell many of you that I am afraid. All that stands between us and those fears is a President who in the past has been all too ready to compromise with the very people trying to take this country down.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They're just not as good at hiding it as they used to be.
We can thank the Internet for that. How many times did you read the paper when it was tossed in the yard?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)and we used to tell each other that we were here to see the curtain close. Little did I realize that would mean tearing down the rafters.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)And unless we can get the Repugs so far out of power that they can't even smell it, I expect to watch this country completely collapse by the time I'm pushing up daisies.
pitbullgirl1965
(564 posts)and I remember to the day the Moral Majority forming and joining the GOP. I thought they'd never last. I believed we'd still continue on the progressive trajectory of the 70's.
Instead, President Ford was the last sane, prochoice Republican, (and likable! First Lady Betty Ford was all sorts of awesome and barrier breaking.) Jimmy Carter was voted out and the monstrous Reagan was in. And here we are.