Should Obama allow a default if the GOP doesn't back down?

[woolldog]

Last edited Tue Oct 8, 2013, 06:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Just trying to get a sense of where fellow DUers stand.

21 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Yes--default if the GOP doesn\'t back down
	17 (81%)
	No--compromise with the GOP on the debt limit is better than default
	4 (19%)
	0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[leftstreet]

1. Negotiate with what? n/t

[woolldog]

3. fixed to make it more clear.

thanks.

[ProSense]

2. Weird poll.

The response to the title question would be no, but you made the choices a response to the "or" question.

[Tx4obama]

4. It is impossible to answer the subject line question with a 'no', cause ya typed a second question

The answers in the poll section do not match the question in the subject line

[Southside]

22. Yup, I want to say No,

But my No option would be: No, Obama should stand his ground and not give in to ransom demands haha. Or something inflammatory like that.

Either way I support my President in this. The Tea Party has already backed down on removing, defunding or whatever else they want on ObamaCare. Great job Mr. president, you have given enough the past 4+ years, more concessions than you wanted to give to keep things going.

[RainDog]

5. he's already made concessions

they didn't win the election - we voted for him, not them.

[Mass]

6. Negotiate with whom? Boehner certainly cannot engage his caucus.

They do not agree with each other, as we can see by the change of strategy at least once a day.

I certainly could go for some if there was a chance to pass them, but negotiating to hear Boehner ask more once he meets with his caucus. What is the point?

[Benton D Struckcheon]

7. Your title doesn't match your text on the alternatives.

I voted no, which is a vote FOR compromise, as far as I can tell.
Anyway, I figure he has to do something if this comes down to the last hours and Boehner's still being an ass. The problem is that the debt ceiling is in fact a nuclear bomb. The idea would be to show that Boehner was willing to actually blow up the economy just to save his orangey ass, and Obama wasn't, and then campaign like mad against the GOP next year on the fact they were willing to destroy us to get their way.
It's awful, but if it comes down to it, it's the only thing he can do.

[Tx4obama]

8. Might be a good idea to delete this thread and start over with one that is not so confusing.

[woolldog]

9. sorry about the title guys

I think I fixed it.

[ProSense]

11. No, you didn't, and I think it was deliberate. n/t

[woolldog]

13. lol, what?

Paranoid much?

[ProSense]

17. No, but I think you knew exactly why you phrased the question and answers the way you did. n/t

[woolldog]

19. Enlighten me then.

Because I have no clue what you're talking about. I put about 20 seconds thought (and that's being generous) into this poll

[ProSense]

21. Really?

"Because I have no clue what you're talking about. I put about 20 seconds thought (and that's being generous) into this poll"

You knew it was confusing. Look at comments 5 through 7. You claim to have fixed it, but you now people are going to vote for the second choice if they don't see the confusing frame.

[woolldog]

26. "I know people are going to vote for the second choice"?

Um no I don't "now" that.

I assume my fellow DUers are all literate, intelligent people and are perfectly capable of responding to an internet poll. You must have an awfully dim view of your fellow posters intellect.

And I did fix it to make it less confusing. You can go through my edits if you don't believe me. I am a bit flattered you think I'm so devious and cunning that I purposely come up with confusing internet polls to post on DU...to what end you think I do this, I have no idea.

Good day to you, Madam.

[ProSense]

27. Right,

"I assume my fellow DUers are all literate, intelligent people and are perfectly capable of responding to an internet poll. You must have an awfully dim view of your fellow posters intellect. "

...that's why you think you "fixed it": http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023810194#post9

[woolldog]

28. I see what you mean now.

But cmon, get off my back. If you have a different title suggestion, post it and Ill use it.

[Tx4obama]

31. Once a poll has been posted and folks have 'voted' then it should NOT be changed...

Your best option, as I see it, is to self-delete the thread/poll and start over with a correctly worded poll.

[woolldog]

33. I discreetly edited it to eliminate the confusion,

[Hutzpa]

35. I will do as Tx4obama suggested

I have tried reading your poll several times and am confused as to what you're trying to accomplish.

[woolldog]

36. Seriously?

[Hutzpa]

38. Yep, seriously. nt

[Politicalboi]

10. It's LAW

They can't do this. There is NO negotiating with these clowns. They want Obamacare to end NOW! Fuck them. Or Obama can use the 14 amendment and of coarse get impeached by the house. But that impeachment would go into the 2014 elections. I say, let them do it.
How many GOP members will be left in the house? They'll be lucky to hold 100.

[geek tragedy]

12. It depends on the whole package.

Would I trade a year's delay in the individual mandate for a 6 week extension? Of course not.

Would I trade the medical device tax for abolishing the debt ceiling? Absolutely.

[RagAss]

14. woolldog....Tear down this poll.

[ruffburr]

15. NO TO EXTORTION

[BluegrassStateBlues]

16. No concessions. If the GOP wants to default us, then let's go.

And I speak as someone this will hurt tremendously.

[woolldog]

18. This is pretty much how I feel.

At some point you have to draw the line or else they will keep using their bully tactics to get their way. Compromising with them only leads to them using this type of technique more often.

[steve2470]

20. I'm not voting. The entire blackmail via default threat is WRONG

I'm still hopeful that *some* of the Republicans are sane enough to vote with Democrats to head off a default. If we start doing business via default blackmail, it will never end and the nation will be irreversibly damaged.

[lpbk2713]

23. Hell no.

They are on the ropes. Let them stew in their own juices until they are ready to throw in the towel.

[Uncle Joe]

24. The devil is in the details as to what "compromise" or "concessions" mean.

Thanks for the thread, woolldog.

[Tx4obama]

25. ~ This must be one of the WORST worded polls on DU ever ~

[woolldog]

29. stop being such a poll snob

[Walk away]

30. This is the most poorly worded post I have ever seen here except possibly by...

the Gun Lobby. Why would anyone leave this unedited?

[Salviati]

32. Neither.

He should wait until the last possible instant, and then mint the damn trillion dollar coin. Make it clear to all that the republicans were perfectly willing to take the whole country over the cliff.

It's a silly but (at least to my, and other better minds) completely legal way to resolve the situation. It's a ridiculous solution to this ridiculous manufactured crisis. The republicans are sabotaging the government by playing completely within the legal boundaries, while violating the norms and spirit of our government. If Obama has to respond in kind, so be it.

[yurbud]

34. you need a third option: 14th Amendment

[JaneQPublic]

39. +1,000,000

Bingo.

If Obama would invoke the 14th, half the world would pump their fist in the air and yell "YES!"

[0rganism]

40. yep, i was looking for that one

kind of surprising not to see it or the Trillion Dollar Coin.

[woolldog]

41. Obama has repeatedly stated,

that the 14th amendment is not an option.

[flamingdem]

37. The Dems will find a workaround

They are too responsible to let disaster happen due to the teafucks

[treestar]

42. I'd be behind him.

on that.