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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 05:03 PM Oct 2013

Boehner: Clean Debt Limit Would Be 'Unconditional Surrender' For GOP (updated)

Boehner: Clean Debt Limit Would Be 'Unconditional Surrender' For GOP

Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said Tuesday afternoon that a "clean" debt ceiling increase, as Democrats are demanding, would amount to "unconditional surrender" for Republicans.

"At times like this, the American people expect their leaders to sit down and have a conversation. I want that conversation to occur now," he told reporters. "What the president said today was if there's unconditional surrender by Republicans, he will sit down and talk to us. That's not the way our government works."

The Speaker refused to budge on the eighth day of the government shutdown on funding the government or averting default without preconditions.

"I didn't come down here to shut down the government," he said. "I certainly didn't come here to default on the debt."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-clean-debt-limit-would-be-unconditional-surrender-for-gop

Note: The Senate already passed a compromise CR.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023809001#post5

Updated to add this tweet:

Brian Beutler?@brianbeutler

Unconditional surrender has bipartisan House and Senate majorities, btw.

https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/387678999251812352

h/t highplainsdem

Republicans are not playing by the rules, they're abusing their power
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023808698

John Boehner: Worst. Speaker. Ever.

Mr. Tears is a clown.




A failure for the ages

By Steve Benen

I find it relatively easy to feel sorry for House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). He's weak and inept, but most of the ridiculous things that happen among House Republicans aren't by Boehner's design. The Speaker didn't want the 2011 debt-ceiling crisis; he didn't to hold several dozen votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act; and he didn't want the government shutdown he forced last night. They're all the result of a radicalized caucus he doesn't control, want, or influence.

But Jonathan Cohn makes the case that what Boehner needs isn't pity; it's blame.

He's in a difficult position, for sure, but it's partly one of his own making. Sometimes leadership means telling followers what they can and can't do. In this case, that should have meant telling Tea Party Republicans they can't get rid of Obamacare, because it became law, was upheld by the Supreme Court, and validated by a presidential election. Boehner tried to say something along those lines after the election, but conservatives howled and -- as usual -- he backed down, promising the right they'd get their chance. Now they expect it to happen.

It won't. And at some point Boehner needs to say so. It will mean taking political risks, but that's what leaders do.

As he's proven, leading isn't Boehner's principle goal. The Speaker wants to hang on to his power, his nice office, and his lovely gavel, and if that means going out of his way to placate extremists so they don't get mad at him, so be it.

That might be pathetic, but it's also the foundation of his job security.

Indeed, in the larger context, it seems the political mainstream is still coming to terms with a dynamic for which there is no modern precedent: a Speaker of the House with no power, no backbone, no accomplishments, and no prospects for success. Boehner isn't just failing in basic tasks, he's failing as Speaker at a historic level.

- more -

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/10/01/20772599-a-failure-for-the-ages

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Boehner: Clean Debt Limit Would Be 'Unconditional Surrender' For GOP (updated) (Original Post) ProSense Oct 2013 OP
Get used to it Bonehead C_U_L8R Oct 2013 #1
"I want that conversation to occur now" Roland99 Oct 2013 #2
Brian Beutler: "Unconditional surrender has bipartisan House and Senate majorities" highplainsdem Oct 2013 #3
Thanks. Will add to OP. n/t ProSense Oct 2013 #11
Maybe not but that is exactly what you are doing asshat Liberalynn Oct 2013 #4
Do Your Job, Boehner. CJCRANE Oct 2013 #5
Go fuck yourself, Boner. City Lights Oct 2013 #6
Well said Liberalynn Oct 2013 #10
My sides ache.................... Buddaman Oct 2013 #13
He likes that sound bite, doesn't he? Kber Oct 2013 #7
Someone needs to show him Appomattox on a map KamaAina Oct 2013 #8
Well it's time to surrender butt head! B Calm Oct 2013 #9
I'm good with that. Scuba Oct 2013 #12
Ass. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #14
He the asses' ass. n/t ProSense Oct 2013 #16
We need to win the house back next year. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #17
He's doing his GENERAL CUSTER impersonation! B Calm Oct 2013 #15

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
2. "I want that conversation to occur now"
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 05:08 PM
Oct 2013

I want a million dollars/yr, tax-free.

Go pound sand, Boehnhead!


BTW, you had your chance...actually, 18 chances since earlier this year!

 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
4. Maybe not but that is exactly what you are doing asshat
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 05:10 PM
Oct 2013
"I didn't come down here to shut down the government," he said. "I certainly didn't come here to default on the debt."


And you would be asking Dems to unilaterally surrender to your demands, so no deal.

Quit blocking the vote Boner.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
7. He likes that sound bite, doesn't he?
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 05:12 PM
Oct 2013

Next I expect to see Cruz jumping up and shouting "It's not over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

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