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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 04:29 AM Oct 2013

Edward Snowden Goes Grocery Shopping in Moscow, Just Like Regular People

A Russian tabloid has posted a photo it claims is of the former NSA-contractor Edward Snowden jaywalking in Moscow while pushing a cart full of groceries. The 30-year old hasn’t been spotted publicly since he walked out of the Moscow airport and went into hiding after being granted asylum in Russia. He is wanted in the United States for leaking a trove of documents detailing a massive domestic surveillance program at the National Security Agency.



No telling what’s in those grocery bags, but according to Life News, Snowden looks like he’s holding up alright.

After all, a man needs to eat, even if he’s as rail thin as Snowden appears to be. “As you can see the former special services employee has picked up a full trolley of food according to American tradition,” Life News wrote. “That clearly cost more than one thousand rubles.”

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/10/07/edward-snowden-goes-grocery-shopping-in-moscow-just-like-regular-people/


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Edward Snowden Goes Grocery Shopping in Moscow, Just Like Regular People (Original Post) jakeXT Oct 2013 OP
I wonder what is in those bags? Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #1
I've been critical of him, but I wish him luck. longship Oct 2013 #2
I still say this is what he wanted. To leave everything behind and live in isolation. randome Oct 2013 #3

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. I've been critical of him, but I wish him luck.
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 05:12 AM
Oct 2013

I hope he's doing well. He's made some (IMHO) poor choices, but I would probably not have done any better. So I cannot criticize him for that.

My only question is about the veracity of the data he's released, which to anybody who's had any actual exposure to secret documents, look like briefing documents rather than technical ones which would all be explicitly labelled with the appropriate secret stamp on each and every page. Yet there's no such thing on any document that I've seen.

It's been years since I had my clearance, so things might have changed. But the documents still depict things in generalities, it's not the type of document that would or could be used to design, let alone implement, the type of system that's described. They look like briefing slides with few details, like those presented to people who need a technical overview.

My main concern has been that people without the technical knowledge to interpret these documents have conflated the capabilities laid down in them.

As more information has come out, my first assessments were pretty close. Strong encryption is safe, but you'd better use public domain sources. E-Mail is unsafe unless you use a known safe server, even if it's encrypted. And then, server logs can still give NSA your e-mail meta-data even if they cannot crack the strong encryption. (They cannot, no matter what some people say.)

All Web services are inherently insecure, but we've known that for a very long time. Secure Web services are subject to the honesty of the provider. It's pretty damned sure that banks do not provide back doors. Nor likely does Amazon or any other large business whose livelihood depends on the secure integrity of their data. However, some will sell visit statistics to outside interests (while keeping financial info secure). Google does this, as likely does other non-pay sites.

Much of this information may be available to NSA if they want it (emphasis on "may" and "want" -- just because they can does not mean they are). Just don't assume Web is secure.

It's difficult to tease out the particulars of what is and what is not being gathered in these documents. There is little specificity. That's why I pay attention to people who I trust. Bruce Schneier is top of the heap in that regard. Phil Zimmermann of PGP fame is another. I trust them more than idle DU speculation.

Keep buggering on, people.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. I still say this is what he wanted. To leave everything behind and live in isolation.
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 06:21 AM
Oct 2013

He turned his back on his fiance and parents without a second glance. He has no friends that anyone knows about. He chose to 'drop out' of life. It's too bad he did it in a way that roiled international relations.
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