Hit 40 yet? Your sex life is over, so says Miley Cyrus.

[BainsBane]

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Here you thought you might still have a few years in you. Miley Cyrus puts that idea to rest.

Miley Cyrus just told Matt Lauer she'll probably stop being so sexual when she turns 40 ... because that's the age when people STOP having sex.

Miley appeared on the "Today" show this morning -- in a pair of really short shorts -- when Matt asked if Miley's hyper "sexual side" is just a phase or something she expects to grow out of?

Miley replied with a pretty direct shot at Lauer ... a shot he didn't really seem to get at first.

Best part of the exchange ... Matt reveals his age (way older than 40) ... and Miley says, "Then you're really definitely not sexual."

Video at link.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/10/07/miley-cyrus-matt-lauer-sex-today-40/

[polly7]

1. Meh .... she's young, and said something silly. nt.

[Neoma]

2. She's my age.

Think about that.

[polly7]

14. And??

We all say stupid things occasionally.

[Neoma]

17. I guess so.

[Dash87]

25. Everyone at her / my age knows better. This is all for attention.

[Rectangle]

190. I hate to say it- but Miley is kinda' right (at least in my case)!!!

I'm married...

[hfojvt]

36. it was meant to be silly

she was clearly joking around with Lauer.

[polly7]

40. Thanks hfojvt, I wondered that but hadn't seen her talking. nt.

[penultimate]

46. yeap...

[frazzled]

3. Ah, the young have so much to learn

Someone save that clip and show it to her when she's 40, 50, 60 ....

[onehandle]

4. When will Hannah's 15 minutes be over?

Sooner, rather than later, I suspect.

[BainsBane]

7. We can only hope

[onehandle]

9. There's only so many clothes you can take off, and only so many shock things you can do.

She ain't no Madonna.

[Nye Bevan]

5. Yeah, I used to think that 40 was really really old.

Now, not so much. Fortunately she's wrong about the sex thing.

[BainsBane]

12. Maybe by then she'll figure out the difference between being sexual

and looking a fool on national television.

[treestar]

19. +1

[HappyMe]

23. When have pop stars

not made fools of themselves on national television?

I am not getting the constant complaining about her.

[BainsBane]

45. I think she stands above the rest

in tackiness and lack of talent.

[HappyMe]

54. There's definitely no lack

of talentless people and tackiness out there.

I think she has a good voice. She's pretty damn young, she's still evolving.

All of this excessive criticism reminds me of the days when Elvis, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath..... were considered horrible.

Calm down, this too shall pass.

[polly7]

71. Right on, Happy Me.

I hadn't paid much attention to her apart from seeing my little nieces over the moon ecstatic after they'd gotten back from seeing her in a concert in ND somewhere. Yesterday I saw her sing Dolly Parton's (her godmother?!) beautiful 'Jolene' posted here in the lounge, then that hysterical SNL parody of herself and the GOP and a few interviews she's given where she comes across as a very smart, savvy, kind to her fans ... young women with a voice that I, imho, think will take her far. I think she's going to be just fine.

[BainsBane]

73. No

[HappyMe]

6. So what?

[Enrique]

90. good question

[Fantastic Anarchist]

8. Too Funny ...

A no talent hack is now the arbiter of the science of sex.

Why is she famous, and why is Matt Lauer giving her any legitimacy? She's worthless - and the music industry is just using her because she has a schtick that works for tweens.

[geek tragedy]

10. LMAO. Tell ya what, young lady, go stand next to 44-year old Jennifer Lopez and see

who's found to lack sex appeal.

[sammytko]

80. she did say they weren't having sex, not losing their sex appeal - do we know

for sure that jo-lo is still going at it???

George Lopez has a funny routine about this topic. He says have all the sex you can while you are YOUNG. And he says this as an older person.

[closeupready]

125. Ah yep, lol. Miley, like most young people, knows everything.

That's okay, I did, too. It's still funny, though.

Even funnier are people like Brooke "Nothing Comes Between Me and My Calvins" Shields or Mika "Legs Akimbo On the Grand Piano" Brzezinski lecturing Miley about going too far.

[NYC_SKP]

11. Sigh. I was sort of done being angry with how she cheapens all of us.

And then she just keeps coming back.

I blame Disney, I really do, for taking a young lady with a great voice and at an early age turning her into a product for consumption.

....

[seabeyond]

16. meh... equally, her father. nt

[hfojvt]

39. I am kinda surprised by that

but I probably should not be. Cyrus' show "Doc" was pretty darn cool, where he played a country doctor who came to NYC and was helping people in various medical situations. Really very positive TV show I thought, and I understood Hannah Montana to be the same way.

Then again, it is not like Cyrus wrote the show. Reminds me of what I read about Cheryl Tiegs, that she was "cheesecake marketed as apple pie".

Or it could be one of those old commercials "I am not a decent person - but I play one on TV".

[GreenStormCloud]

59. I like hot apple pie. And Cheryl Tiegs is still hot.

Cheryl Tiegs, 2013, (I think this is a current picture.)

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. By the time she turns 40

she'll be more like 80, in terms of wear and tear.

Life in the fast lane does that to person.

[Hayabusa]

74. Way she's going, I doubt she'll survive 27...

Add another to the club...

[left on green only]

154. I used To Think It Would Be All Over By The Time I was 27.

But I never mouthed it on national television. I just kept it to myself and was then pleasantly surprised when I found out I was wrong.

[handmade34]

15. ...

[jakeXT]

18. She just played a 57 year old Bachmann

Miley Cyrus mocks Michele Bachmann, earns praise for her sexy ‘Republican’ look
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/10/07/miley-cyrus-mocks-michele-bachmann-republican-saturday-night-live/

[backscatter712]

84. Here's the video (Warning: mildly NSFW, certainly requires brain bleach!)

[HappyMe]

24. !!!

[seabeyond]

26. do keep showing us your sexist self. nt

[BainsBane]

49. It seems to come naturally

Evidently he PMed someone to tell him he was glad he was't married to me, like that would even be a remote possibility.

[seabeyond]

57. i got a couple nasty pms also. but i am about reasoning with him. allowing the opportunity to be

educated, as skinner suggested us women do. nicely, respectfully. what can i say.

[BainsBane]

58. Yeah, well you know I'm far less patient than you

[Sheldon Cooper]

115. He did what???

Nothing surprises me anymore.

[polly7]

28. She's finding her place,

and I think she's finally caught on that it's HER life and she's having fun with it and pushing some boundaries ... nothing that thousands before her haven't done before. And, she's gorgeous. Where does all this cruelty and hate for a young woman making her own way come from? Makes me want to vomit seeing some of these comments.

[HappyMe]

38. Thank you.

Dead on observation.

[LordGlenconner]

75. Probably because of the obvious lack of talent

Combined with the media hype. That's guaranteed to cause an uproar every time.

[polly7]

78. She has plenty of talent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018493215

[LordGlenconner]

79. I guess music is subjective

Dime a dozen IMO. She was born on 3rd base. I'm sure that didn't hurt her career development either.

[zazen]

21. "sex" to her is sexual self-objectification, so yes,

I hope indeed for her sake that this kind of "sex" is over for her by 40. By that point if not sooner, she'll be forced by the way her naturally living, breathing, changing body becomes invisible to objectifying male scum to confront the possibility that she can have a subjective sexual experience that doesn't have to be mediated by woman-hating industry standards.

It's really becoming kind of freeing, actually, to not be predated upon everywhere I go now that I'm post 40. Thank heavens there are enough good men who resist and even challenge this enculturation, or as a straight chick, I'd be SOL.

[Dash87]

22. Anyone should care what this dimwit has to say?

I think she just says stuff like this knowing that our media will jump all over it and give her attention.

[Ichingcarpenter]

47. I agree Matt should shut up

he's a dimwit.


Miley was just putting the moves on him.

WTF cares?


NBC's Lauer falsely suggested only "the far left" is concerned about Bush's alleged civil liberties violations


http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/05/16/nbcs-lauer-falsely-suggested-only-the-far-left/143505

[LuvNewcastle]

130. He is a dimwit, but I don't really like any of those

morning talk show people. If Miley had hiked up those shorts a little more, he probably would've had a stroke right there on the set. Too bad she didn't.

[Ichingcarpenter]

131. He gets $5o million

for his new two year contract.


yeah he's one of the people I trust..
with the 'news'

[joeybee12]

27. I probably would have said the same thing at her age...what is she, 20?

I was pretty stupid back then, too.

[BainsBane]

41. I was stupid too

but not that stupid.

[joeybee12]

104. I was probably pretty ageist, too...could not fathom someone

actually being as old as 40! If I'd only known...now I would love to GO BACK to 40!!!

[SheilaT]

29. Did Matt Lauer laugh out loud at her?

He should have.

[Robbins]

30. I guess

She doesn't realize a lot of men over 40 father children with younger women including those like her.

Halle Berry just had her second child at 47.That moves people over 40 still have sex.

Miley Cyrus Is just a joke in my book.SOme guys obviously like her.I am not one of them.

[redstatebluegirl]

31. Mine is just fine and I'm WAY OVER 40!

She is young, when we were that age we didn't want to imagine our parents having sex. She thinks everything dies at 40 actually it gets better after that!

[bigdarryl]

85. Her mother and father are in there 40's maybe she should ask them if it's over for them.

[Orsino]

32. I don't think we've had enough lame, faux-sexy PR moves by Miley lately.

If only the poor woman could get some screen time to explain her side.

[PeteSelman]

33. Poor kid knows nothing of sexual peak.

She'll figure it out in twenty years or so.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. There are plenty of old fathers who are famous son they

have to have done it at least once.

Anthony Quinn was 81 when his last child was born.


Perhaps Miley will realize that she needs to research before she opens her mouth, but on the flip side Justin Beiber, who also looks like Miley and nearly as talented, says some pretty unsmart things as well.

Youth is always wasted on the young.

[cantbeserious]

35. 56 - Have Not Had Sex Since 1993 - She Is On Target

eom

[Codeine]

92. 1993?! You can't be serious, cantbeserious!

That's madness.

[cantbeserious]

111. Very Serious - Have Given Up On The Opposite Sex

eom

[lpbk2713]

37. Try as I may, I just can't see any MENSA applications headed her way.

[Zorra]

42. Obviously, Miley needs serious schoolin'. I'd be glad to help,

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as long as I know she understands that she must have good health insurance coverage to pay for her recovery after we finish her "classes".

[Throckmorton]

43. Is she more popular than Jesus Christ yet?

I hear Ringo wants to know.

[LittleBlue]

44. Her ability to troll people seems limitless

Even a small remark causes headlines.

Well done, Miley

[penultimate]

51. hehehe... I don't really know much about her, is that her type of personality?

I figure it could either way with some of these celebrities. They can either be smart-ish people who know how to rile people up, or they can just be idiots who say stupid things because they actually believe the stupide things they say.

[riqster]

53. Daddy taught her well

Billy Ray started out doing the "look at me, ain't I sexy" schtick too. Miley is milking the manipulation machine for all it is worth, and later on will "mature" into a "serious artist ". Cookbook PR.

[L0oniX]

48. Reminds me of a MAD TV skit. "Look what I can do"

[whttevrr]

50. Oh god... 20?

Hah... I was saying some pretty stupid things when I was 20. One of the most devastating?

"I don't want to learn Cobol Programming for free! That's not what I signed up for! Hrmpf!!"




I was also still throwing snakes at girls too... eh, spiders... not so much... too many legs. Blech.

[RantinRavin]

52. Thankfully my fiance

is 39 and holding!

[BainsBane]

56. I started counting backward at 39

[mike_c]

60. yeah, I probably thought something similar when I was her age....

Thankfully, I was wrong.

[Ichingcarpenter]

62. She's playing the media trolling it

like an expert


Hannah taught her a long time ago

Its a Act.

[NuclearDem]

61. BREAKING NEWS: 20-something year old says something stupid about older people.

Also at 11, European scientists have finally concluded that water is indeed wet.

[BainsBane]

63. I really don't think all 20 somethings are that stupid

[JHB]

64. No, Miley. That's merely the age where nobody wants to know about it

The TMI ratio goes up with age. That information is on a need-to-know basis, and by 40 nobody needs to know it.

[NRaleighLiberal]

65. hmm... our two week vacay at the outer banks (mid 50 somethings) says otherwise...

Miley is as insignificant to my wife and I as the few annoying mosquitoes we've swatted away on our walks!

[uppityperson]

161. sounds like you are having a good vacation. Miley is only 20? Huh.

From the bits I'd seen I thought her older.

Back to you, glad you have a good time out there.

[NRaleighLiberal]

167. thanks so much! It's been an amazing time so far...

today was day 10...sunny days - 10. mostly calm, mid 70s. We always enjoy our times at Ocracoke Island - we've come here for 20 years!

[GreenStormCloud]

66. Every generation thinks they are the first ones that have discovered sex. N/T

[Iggo]

67. She's playing the entertainment media and her audience like a symphony.

It's a wonder to behold.

[BainsBane]

70. I give it 2 years until her biggest booking is Celebrity Rehab

[Iggo]

83. If she starts believing her own press, then yeah probably.

She's only a couple steps away from D-list right now.

An album with a good chunk of memorable songs on it could extend that out to 10 years.

Oh and a few dancing lessons wouldn't hurt. Heheheh.

[HappyMe]

86. I think that the Bieber asshole

is well on his way.

[LordGlenconner]

68. 14:57...14:56...14:55

And so on.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

176. yep. tick. tock.

[tjdee]

69. Why are people so obsessed by her? She is playing you.

She wanted Matt Lauer to defend his sex life.

She's a manipulative kid, and all of America is dancing to the tune. Really embarrassing.

Matt Lauer shouldn't even be interview little kids like that.

[BainsBane]

72. I happened to log on to TMZ, saw this,

and thought people would find it funny. I'd hardly call it obsessed.

[apnu]

88. She's playing nobody.

The system is playing her. The media is giving her all the rope she wants to hang herself. They can't wait for her to do so. They are already dreaming of the copies and ads they're going to sell off her in the tabloids. She's a tiny bit of shiny to keep everybody distracted. She's a fool for playing along. Her pop has been through this game, I'm surprised he's encouraging her to play it. He must know what's going to happen in the end... right?

[Sheldon Cooper]

116. I agree with you 100%

[cleanhippie]

76. Who?

[B Calm]

77. A woman reaches her sexual peak around 40

[apnu]

81. She is such an idiot.

I don't care that she's bolting from Hanna Montana (not sure why, she could milk that cow for years and never really have to work again). That's her business. And I don't care that she's doing this turbo slut performance art thing. I find it boring actually. What she's doing has all been done before and with much better class and art (see Madonna and Lady Gaga and a platoon of other musicians). Nothing new or interesting is being said by her music. Its vapid dreck that's been done before. What's her schtick? "I'm like Britney, but with more tongue"?

What bugs me about her is she's such a goddamn idiot. When I was 20 I was full of stupid too, the difference is I didn't have a media circus to voice my stupidity for the world to see.

I also find her sad. The Media is egging her on to be even more stupid and outrageous because it sells ad spots. She's being used up by the celebrity entertainment torture device. And when they're doing playing with her, they'll throw her a side like a broken toy.

Her dad should to know better. He did his time in that game and he was used up and thrown away too. But he seems to be encouraging her to continue playing the game the cameras want her to play.

Oh and her tongue, totally not sexy. Even if she's naked on a big silver ball, or pleasuring a sledge hammer. I think she's pretty enough with out it. When she lolls her tongue out like some kind of octopus tentacle, I'm turned off.

[davidn3600]

91. She's trying to desperately bolt away from Disney

And she is trying to follow Madonna and Lady Gaga model of making it big. The problem is those two actually have some talent in the music field and can back up their acts with solid material. Miley really doesn't have the talent to back up this massive PR push she's putting on. She's trying to gain an audience that frankly doesn't like her and sees through her. The majority of her fan base is still the mid-to-late teens. She's not getting the adults.

[HappyMe]

94. Solid material?

Madonna and Gaga both have very nasal voices. Madonna hasn't had any 'material' in years. She's a washed up, middle aged woman wearing a grill, ffs. Gaga has costumes, and that's about it. Her work for equality is good.

[Vashta Nerada]

82. I'll be 40 in a few years.

Will my life just end too?

[seabeyond]

102. boom. just like that. one day you have sex, and the next. well? no mo. nt

[Turbineguy]

87. Hire a teenager

while they still know everything.

[kestrel91316]

89. For me, the real fun BEGAN at 40.

[dipsydoodle]

95. 45 here.

[jberryhill]

101. Seriously. Same here

[Comrade Grumpy]

93. Haters gotta hate. Why so upset, everybody?

[Inspired]

96. It was a knee jerk response to a question that was stupid to begin with.

Who cares what Miley Cyrus says anyway?

[BainsBane]

98. Well, at least we can all agree

she's an idiot. It's nice for Duers to agree on something every once in a while.

[HappyMe]

100. Oh come on!

She's not an idiot!

Just because you and a couple others don't like her, that doesn't make her an idiot.

I think she was just messing with Matt Lauer.

[BainsBane]

108. Seriously?

No, she believes it.

[HappyMe]

143. I doubt that.

Go ahead and believe what you want.

[dogknob]

97. Picture for Miley...

Miley, once you have grasped the meaning of this picture, call me; I have some things to show you.

[Butterbean]

99. Bless her pink heart. n/t

[kentauros]

103. Miley needs to meet Annie

Annie Sprinkle, that is. And she's someone that knows a thing or three about performance art, especially of a sexual nature.


AnnieSprinkle.org(asm)

[Taverner]

105. It's hard to consider Miley sexual...she looks like 12 year old boy!

Seriously! Give me a WOMAN any day over a little GIRL

[Tuesday Afternoon]

158. Taverner... fancy meeting you in this thread

Didn't you just graduate from The Billy Ray Cyrus School of raising daughters?

[Taverner]

159. I thought it was the "Raise yerself an outlaw" method

It is so hard to keep track of these things

[Tuesday Afternoon]

172. looked more like raising The Aristocrats method to me.

[Taverner]

173. I could go with it

[Tuesday Afternoon]

174. of that, I have no doubt. it is only natural.

[Taverner]

178. Although when we sacrifice the neighbor's dog to satan

Should we do it in Latin or the tongue of the Ancient ones?

[SomethingFishy]

195. She is a twit. I don't understand men who chase young girls..

I can't imagine having one thing to talk about with her. And I'm a musician!

I actually only replied to this because I wanted to compliment on your new Bill Hicks sig. I bet he'd have some funny shit to say about Miley

[nolabear]

106. First, that wasn't short shorts, it was a long thong.

Second, no one that age should be taken terribly seriously, particularly one who's had the disadvantage of being well off, doted on by parents whose sense of self is wrapped up in your specialness, and who is making a whole lot of money for people who prop her ego up for that reason only. She does seem to be a reasonably talented little cookie, but her conviction that she knows anything at her age and with her life is merely cute. And doomed. Hope people are there for her when the world and time so their inevitable work on her. And I don't mean sexually.

[MrScorpio]

107. Kids today.

She has so much growing up to do

[Bluenorthwest]

109. If Matt Lauer asked Pete Townsend if he's sorry he didn't die before he got old

what do you think Pete would say?

[bigtree]

110. kids

[struggle4progress]

112. Possible translation: "People over forty don't hit on me, but I think they're yucky anyway"

[11 Bravo]

113. I know how to settle this. I'm 62. Blow me, Miley.

[seabeyond]

114. Blow me, Miley? wow. arent you da man. nt

[11 Bravo]

122. Sorry, but I object to being told by a marginally talented kid that I'm now officially asexual.

I would have offered the exact same response had Justin Bieber said something similarly stupid. I have not engaged in any of the slut-shaming or other histrionics that have recently surrounded Ms. Cyrus, as I found them to be foolish and counter-productive.
But of course, if you are willing to excuse ageism in response to what, at least in my post, is non-existent sexism, that is certainly your prerogative.

[seabeyond]

124. .

[Warren DeMontague]

117. Oh NO!

or something.

[BainsBane]

118. Now we know

Our lives are over.

[Warren DeMontague]

119. And on that day

not a single fuck was given.

[DevonRex]

120. It's a shame. She has a nice voice. Nobody notices

that or gives a shit about her. Just what part of her body she's gonna expose next or what stupid thing she's going to say.

Miley, any teenager can say stupid things to any adult. And you may think they don't "get it" but they do. It's just not as interesting as you think it is, hon.

Your voice? that could have been interesting. But right now you're just another girl flashing body parts on TV. It doesn't take any talent for that. Next!

Know why Madonna did all that stuff on stage? Her voice was just OK. She had to compensate to sell records. And she was a genius at it. A real businesswoman. Don't ever mistake her act as anything but business. And everyone in the business knew it and respected it.

Miley Cyrus? I hope she takes a step back really soon. Before her talent is completely lost in the show.

[Ellipsis]

179. She does, and she'll be just fine.

she's quite well grounded in this interview... like Madonna she's just working it

[phleshdef]

121. I don't think she meant that as a shot at 40+ people, it was just a shot at Matt Lauer for asking...

...a stupid question.

[whatchamacallit]

123. We sure love train wrecks

Total loser.

[gopiscrap]

126. Yeah and Miley Cyrus is an expert in the matter how?

[appleannie1]

127. Which goes to prove she is a know nothing, immature child yet that needs to grow up. She might be

20 but she is much, much younger emotionally and intellectually.

[MineralMan]

128. She just means that no way is she having sex with Matt Lauer.

It would, like, totally gross her out, you know. Pshaw!

[reflection]

129. I've got shoes older than her

and I still have a killer sex life. What a dunce.

[avaistheone1]

132. Stay classy Miley

errrr I guess it's too late for that.

[Warren DeMontague]

133. To be fair, she's probably tired of being attacked by certain older out of touch entertainers

who are using her to get back into the news since actually producing new music that anyone will listen to, is out of the question.

She should avoid using those outliers to generalize about age groups, though.

Plus, yes, 40 looks real friggin old when you're 21. She'll be there herself before she knows it.

[Prism]

134. She's being nailed because of sexism

There's nothing particularly wrong with Miley. She hasn't said or done anything several dozen haven't said and done before her. But, because she's a girl, and a former "good girl" at that, we now have to give her a nice social trial by fire as soon as she expresses her sexuality. God knows, we don't heap this scorn about male singers who run around with their abs and sexually suggestive poses.

But Miley is our 15 minute culture Satan, so let's have at her. Girls expressing sexuality must be burned at the stake.

Which is actually frankly weird to see who's leading this particular crusade, but meh.

As for her talents. She actually has a nice voice. I enjoy Wrecking Ball as a bit of pop. And the video of her purely singing expresses extraordinary sorrow and prettiness with very clean vocals. It's very affecting.

Yeah, then she porns it on up on the ball itself, but the woman is not bereft of talent in the slightest.

It's a shame how easily we can be goaded into cultural torch and pitchfork mode.

As for her comments, buh, she was clearly being somewhat facetious there. She knows how to yank a chain. So she yanked this one hard. Looks like she succeeded.

[BainsBane]

135. She's an idiot

with no talent. At least from me, it has nothing to do with sexism. Sexism may underlie some of the controversy around her, but she is eagerly engaging in the whole thing. She has chosen to present herself as a commodity, and I'm not buying any. I also don't see anything remotely sexual or sexy about her act. She's trying hard to do what she thinks is sexual, but I would be surprised if anyone finds it sexy. It's just pathetic.

What sexist is the industry that sells images like hers as something young girls should aspire to.

[Prism]

136. America has a habit of scorching provocative women

As for talent, that's a subjective judgement. To ensure I mean what I said, I just rewatched Wrecking Ball on YouTube. The vocals are solid, her acting is very solid. The pain in her eyes, the slight hoarseness in the voice. She has talent there.

From a cultural perspective, I don't find much wrong with her work. It has merit.

From a social perspective, I get why people dislike her. "Young person does something stupid." Yes, and? So some of them do. Somewhere, Justin Beiber is breathing a sigh of relief that Miley distracted us from despising him.

I'm a gay man, so I am not at all invested in whether or not she's sexy. And do you not think young male performers aren't sexualized to an absurd degree? I know I did not hallucinate the past couple years of being subjected to Taylor Laughtner's torso (my barber even tried to give me his haircut, for fark's sake).

That's the entertainment industry. Sex, sex, sex. Guys, girls, whomever. They will appeal sexually at every angle. If they thought they could get a couple extra million showing the outline of a guy's scrotum, you'd be seeing Matt Damon's sack on every billboard.

But I'm not going to sit there and denigrate someone like Miley personally because she's just coasting along to the nature of the beast. And I'm certainly not going to do all, "Trashy, no talent" criticism when she clearly has something there to offer. I'm interested to see what she'll be producing in five or ten years time.

[BainsBane]

137. I don't see talent

in either her or Beiber. I don't get it. I guess I'm just cranky because I'm too old to have sex.

You do know I'm a card carrying Feminazi, right? Some of my feminist friends agree with you. I don't see her as a worthy cause though. I do think she's good for a laugh or two though.

[Prism]

138. Does she have to be a cause, though?

I mean, when I listen to Wrecking Ball, I'm not really bringing ideology into it. I'm relating to the music, the emotion, the expression on her face. I get where she's coming from. I've had that relationship, especially when young. I'm not thinking about what this means for my politics or ideology. She's doing pop, and pop is always an appeal to the emotional space you're inhabiting at any given moment. Someone who's in a deteriorating relationship will find that song far more powerful than I do, I imagine.

I don't see her as a cause. I just see what she's doing. Does this resonate? Does it speak to me in some way? Maybe yes, maybe no. That's it. That's the only real consideration for me with an artist. I don't really care if she furthers my idea of anything, because that's not why I'm listening to her. I'm listening to her because she's speaking in that particular to something I've felt in a relationship. And in that song, I think it's called "Can't Stop Us" or something, I didn't relate or care for it, because my crazy partying days are over. So, it doesn't resonate or work for me.

She's just a singer. A young one. Young people, especially ones raised in Hollywood, sometimes say and do stupid things. That's ok. We've covered that ground a billion times, and we'll cover it a billion more. I don't get personally invested. Either the song is good or not. For me, subjectively, I think Wrecking Ball is a good song, so I find merit for her work on that level.

I just do not understand this cultural need to take her out because she did something on stage once or said something stupid. Lord, someone like Madonna is considered a great. Has anyone really listened to the heaping pile of nonsenical bullshit she's handed down over decades? That woman is a self-involved idiot of the highest caliber, and yet we still recognize her Art.

I don't want a cause with entertainment or art. I just want solid reflections of the human condition. Wrecking Ball is a good one. What more do we want, and should we want more?

[BainsBane]

141. "Cultural need to take her out"

What's the cultural need for her at all? Why do we have to see her on our television sets and hear her on our radios? The only good thing I can say about the wrecking ball video is she pretty much kept her tongue in her mouth.

What more should we want? Decent music to listen to. A decent performance. Some actual dancing, or something. Being young isn't an excuse. There are good musicians who are young. This is one I like, also from the VMAs. She sings well. The music is positive and has social meaning. She's also beautiful and IMO a great role model for women. But the sexist music industry and media culture isn't going to promote Mary Lambert because she doesn't conform to the body expectations that women look like 12 year old boys.

IMO, she is wayyyy sexier than Miley.

[Prism]

144. Because she sells tickets and albums

Look, Miley isn't my first choice of music. Hell, most of what pop offers has been done and better. I'm old enough that I'm not thrilled with Natalie Imbruglia making "Torn" a hit. I'm a devotee of the original Ednaswap version. It's rawer and speaks far more to the emotional angst being exhibited. But pop loved the cleaned up, prettified Natalie banging it out, and then it became a hit. Natalie introduced me to the song, I loved it, then I looked up its roots and learned about the original version that I adore to this day. Pop put something into an easily digestible, wide-audience form, and it was up to me to explore better.

Mary Lambert is lovely, but I'll challenge that a bit. One word. Adele. Adele is a musical, emotive genius. And culture and industry recognize that. So, there is something there. Yes, someone like Adele has more challenges, but we, as a culture, will give way to solid music despite the image.

If it helps, I do think someone like Miley is too reliant on image. Mediocre artists usually are. And I'm not arguing that Miley is Great Art. She's not. She's just pop, and pop is the realm of mediocrity usually. I liked Lady Gaga until she lost all touch with what she was trying to do and decided to be weird for weird's sake. (Editing is a good thing).

But why is she on our television all the time? Eh, why is anyone? Seriously. I listen to the radio during my commute, and I'd like to personally bury half these singers in a shallow grave because they're so entirely over-exposed. The worst is Pink. I love Pink. Adore even. I really enjoy her music and perspective. But I swear to god, if my radio station plays her one. more. time.

The industry thinks we're stupid. Why slay the artist for the industry's sins?

[BainsBane]

153. That she is profitable

Doesnt mean I need to like or respect her any more than I do Walmat. Yes, Adele. Her talent was too great for them to ignore. The music industry complains about declining profits, and I attribute it to the deterioration of popular music. There have been ways to pirate music, only people still bought it because they loved the music. More and more radio stations are turning to classic formats. The industry's focus on "Artists" like Miley is part of the reason why.

[Prism]

156. Your objection seems to be with commercialization

And that is an objection I actually share. And if that were the thrust of this concern with Miley, I'd certainly be sympathetic. She's over-commercialized. But so are many, many artists. Just off my daily hearing from radio, I'd say Miley, Pink, Phillip Phillips, Bruno Mars, and Fun need to be transported and dumped somewhere in central Siberia.

But the Miley objections seem personal. People have decided, "Hey, this is who we hate right now!" And in six weeks, we'll hate someone else. Our culture is set up for that for whatever reason. I don't hate her. She does decent work and has a media personality designed to fit with what Americans are consuming.

If you really, truly, viscerally hate Miley's sexual idiocy, don't bother about her. Bother about American culture. We're the ones who told her and the industry that this would sell. She's sniffing out the money we give her, and then we're hating her for it.

Who's at fault in that transaction?

[maddezmom]

160. She is a kid

She is entitled to make dumb statements and probably will make more of them before she is 40. Not sure why she garners all the attention on DU.

[Prism]

162. Because she's messing with ideologies

Near as I can reckon.

[maddezmom]

165. I guess.

I will admit I was a bit put off by her dance at the award show but she is an entertainer after all and getting her name all over twitter/Facebook etc. is really what it is about right now in the business.

[BainsBane]

169. Yes, with commercialization

and what a terrible product she is. That VMA performance is the single worst musical act I've ever seen in my life. For me, it has nothing to do with it being "sexual" or provocative because I found it neither. It was just plain bad.

I don't really bother with her. I happened to see this piece and posted it because I thought people would get a kick out of it. Then I've responded to a few of the replies. You have been the most persistent.

[Prism]

170. The VMAs are meant to shock

There will always be an artist there meant to top themselves. It's kind of informal vs the Grammy, and promoted as an environment where "anything can happen." So she twerked to Robin Thicke. I'm actually stymied that Miley is the focus there. He made a video with female models bouncing around with full on boobification, he wore a hideous Beetlejuice outfit while oozing sleazy male, and we're worried that Miley was kind of mecky. What about him? No one really cares. Yes, I know he's generated a few articles on feminism sites, but he hasn't generated nearly the hate machine Miley has in popular culture.

And therein lays my wonder if this isn't all kind of sexist. Miley has come in for her ten minutes of hate, but Robin Thicke isn't getting nearly the same kind of blowback in pop culture. I don't mean on feminism sites. I mean, if you look at pop culture, like reddit or 4chan or what have you, Miley is generating full on hate while Robin gets a pass. What gives here?

As far as worst musical acts, that was pretty bad, but I've certainly seen worse. We're primed by media to believe we're always witness the X Ever! Miley is fairly tame all that has come before given. But her publicists are ecstatic we think otherwise.

Sorry about my persistence. I've kind of enjoyed our discussion =(

[HappyMe]

146. You not seeing any talent still doesn't make her an idiot.

Worthy cause? Who said anything about her being a worthy cause?
Even so, who the hell are you to say she isn't a worthy cause.

Really, your obsession with this kid is bordering on creepy already.

Don't listen to her music, quit looking at that fabulous fount of 'knowledge' - TMZ.

[BainsBane]

150. Sounds like you need to trash

This thread. As objectionable as you find it, I have a right to an opinion.

[HappyMe]

155. I have a right to my opinion also.

I decline your kind offer to trash the thread. It's far too entertaining.

[avaistheone1]

140. She's behaving like a prostitute on stage.

That doesn't take much talent.

Most troubling is that Miley is an extremely poor role model for young girls and teens.

[Prism]

142. Two questions

1. What's wrong with prostitutes?

and

2. Did she say recently she thinks young girls and teen should emulate her behavior?

In other words, what values are being exchanged here. I think it's What You Think Miley Should Be Doing vs. What Miley Thinks Miley Should Be Doing.

Tricky business, but I'm willing to let artists do what they will generally.

[HappyMe]

145. And so what?

There's nothing wrong with prostitutes.

Who gives a crap about 'role models for young girls'. I find it ridiculous that people have to have some 'role model' for their damn kids.

If you don't like some music, then don't listen to it or watch the videos. Pretty simple.

[HereSince1628]

139. Apparently some people's brains don't work until 40

which sorta explains Ms Cyrus' letting her little head do the job her big head ought to do.

[MNBrewer]

147. Maly who?

[KamaAina]

148. Miley Cyrus: The Twerking Twerp

[frogmarch]

149. 40 used to seem ancient to me when I was

in my teens, and even when I was in my 20s. When my firstborn was a toddler, I can remember expressing how tired I was by saying, "I feel 40 years old!" I'll be 70 in December. Oh, to be 40.

[TheBlackAdder]

151. When Logan's Run came out... we all thought 30 was over the hill. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

187. No

some of us couldn't get past Jenny Agutter in a green smock.

[TheBlackAdder]

196. When it was on or off ;-)

[sakabatou]

152. *facepalm*

[Jamastiene]

157. When is her tongue going to stop rolling out of her mouth like a frog

attempting to catch an imaginary fly? That's my question. It's almost like she's been getting stage advice from Gene Simmons and applying it miserably. I really don't like that kid either. Both her and Justin Bieber need to crash and burn already and get ready for their stint on Where Are They Now when it comes up years from now. It can't happen soon enough. All those other spoiled brat right wing Disney kids need to do the same. I don't like any of them.

GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN, YOU RIGHT WING ANKLE BITERS.

[Jim Warren]

163. When did DU turn into National Enquirer?

Is the Lounge no longer open?

[derby378]

166. Agreed

Miley who?

[ellie]

164. Ah, she's young and stupid.

[Sissyk]

168. I finally watched the video.

I don't think people are giving her near enough credit. TMZ highlighted the stupid ass question that Matt ask her, which she answered in a smart ass way.

He also ask if she regretted the MTV awards show, and she said along the lines of" why should I. Here we are still talking about it a month later.

She also said along the lines of: What matters is how I treat people in real life. Not what I do on stage. I have to be myself.

I was actually a pretty damn good interview for a 20 year old.

TMZ makes money getting hits from one little snippet. So, imagine that's what they would highlight.

[steve2470]

184. I thought it was a pretty good interview too, all things considered nt

[spanone]

171. miley the dimwit

[UTUSN]

175. Actually, TRUE. I'm short, fat, old. Life is OVER. n/t

[Hekate]

177. And her opinion matters why exactly?

Grow up, little girl, or one day that mirror you now preen in front of will betray you harshly.

[dflprincess]

180. And when Mick Jagger was in his 20s

he said he couldn't imagine that he's still be singing "Satisfaction" when he was 40 (or 45 depending on what source you check).

Let's (some of us) get into the Wayback Machine and remember just how old 40 seems when you're 20.

[BainsBane]

182. We won't be hearing from Miley Cyrus when she's fourty

Unless it's on celebrity rehab or some other has been show. She's no Mick Jagger.

[dflprincess]

189. Hopefully, we won't be hearing from her by the time she's 25

I was just pointing out that we all say silly things when we're 20 - especially when it comes to age (and this is the least of the dumb things she's said or done).

I'm thinking she's on track to out do Lindsey Lohan.

[Volaris]

181. i wont say it, a jury will vote it down.

You want to know, let me know and ill tell you privately heh

[LadyHawkAZ]

183. Thanks!

I'll take that under consideration while partying in Vegas in two weeks for my 41st birthday.

Wait. No I won't.

[icymist]

185. WHAT?!!!! Well, Ill just say that I should settle down then.

It's not working. Sorry Miley.

[Warren DeMontague]

186. "ARRRRAAARRRRRRAGGRRAERRRRRARRRRGGG!!! FLARRRG RARRRG ARRRRRGFGGGR!"

"RARRRRR!!!!!!!!"

[DiverDave]

188. Ah, NO mylie, your wrong, things are just fine at 55

Thanks for you concern tho

[steve2470]

191. She was trolling Matt Lauer nt

[Alamuti Lotus]

192. She also dry-humped a mushroom and a couple dwarves on stage the other day

Credibility: none. Entertainment value: none. Attractiveness: we have the trifecta!

[Rex]

194. She is smart, clone (a young) Madonna's persona and make a mint.

No such thing as bad PR.

[LanternWaste]

197. I have a difficult time inferring any real wisdom from under-30 Americans...

I have a difficult time inferring any real wisdom from under-30 Americans... my Magic Eight Ball is usually more accurate.