Cardinals dress in style

[Ichingcarpenter]

[LeftinOH]

1. The Federico Fellini film 'Roma' includes an "ecclesiastical

fashion show" sequence. It's cynical and funny - and satirizes the over-the-top costumes used by the church.

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. Yes now I remember that

[NCTraveler]

2. Think about one night of actors...

at the Emmys. That would put this to shame.

[HappyMe]

4. Academy Awards, the Grammys...

hell, even the front row at a top designer's show at fashion week.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. And actors wear costumes, but these cats call them 'vestements' and claim

that they are intercessors between man and God, not entertainers. They claim to be 'Vicars of Christ' who said 'sell everything to feed the poor'. Claims not made by pop stars.
It's the hypocrisy and mendacious claims of priorities not in evidence.

[HappyMe]

13. Okay, fine.

What the hell are people on DU supposed to do about this?

[snooper2]

30. laugh and poke fun at them

Religion is a really funny topic when you get down to it


Genesis 25:30 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
He said to Jacob, "Let me eat some of that red stuff, because I'm exhausted."


Proverbs 21:19 (New Living Translation)
It is better to live alone in the desert than with a crabby, complaining wife.


Proverbs 27:15-16 (New Living Translation)
A quarrelsome wife is as annoying as constant dripping on a rainy day. Stopping her complaints is like trying to stop the wind or trying to hold something with greased hands.


Did you know there is a talking donkey in the Bible?
Numbers 22:21-29 (New King James Version)
Balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the princes of Moab. But God was very angry when he went, and the angel of the LORD stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, she turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat her to get her back on the road.

Then the angel of the LORD stood in a narrow path between two vineyards, with walls on both sides. When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she pressed close to the wall, crushing Balaam's foot against it. So he beat her again.

Then the angel of the LORD moved on ahead and stood in a narrow place where there was no room to turn, either to the right or to the left. When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat her with his staff. Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?" Balaam answered the donkey, "You have made a fool of me! If I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now."

[HappyMe]

33. Have at it.

I don't make fun of people's beliefs.

[hrmjustin]

45. I don't believe we should make fun of peoples faith but if you feel the need to that is your right.

[zipplewrath]

18. One story from the bible

The justification for this behavior comes from a story in the bible of someone treating Jesus nice with some perfume and oils. One of the apostles complains the money was wasted and should have been spent on the poor. Christ explains it was a trival gesture and the "poor will always be with us". From that you get the megachurch.

[hrmjustin]

41. I ware vestments as well in my church. It is our tradition.

And we do feed the poor. The prices here are not the norm for worldwide vestments.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. Yes actors are representative's of the teaching

of Jesus on this earth for piety

I forgot that's what's on the oscar .

[HappyMe]

6. You were talking about cost.

Do you care about the teachings of Jesus?

[Tikki]

8. Could they teach about jesus without the expensive fancy clothes?

Tikki

[HappyMe]

10. Give them a call and ask them.

[Tikki]

16. Yeah...probably not. But I respect the fact they leave me alone. Not like other churches who..

knock on your door. What's with that?


Tikki

[hrmjustin]

42. Those prices are not the norm for the worldwide church.

[Ichingcarpenter]

17. Pope: “We pastors must not be men with a ‘princely mindset.’”

In trying to live up to Jesus’s message about solidarity with the poor, Pope Francis has called for a church geared to social justice. This pope wants church officials to live more modestly.

As he told newly-named bishops in Rome on Sept. 19, according to The Tablet, “We pastors must not be men with a ‘princely mindset.’”

But try telling that to Cardinal Raymond Burke, the chief judge of the Vatican’s supreme court.

The fruits of high officialdom come naturally to Cardinal Raymond Burke, an American, as found in photographs that show him in lavish procession with a train of watered silk, wearing fine scarlet gloves and jeweled red hats, suggesting nobility.


Although he has made no move to change Catholic moral teaching, Francis is addressing a church as divided as Western electorates on politics-of-the body, save for birth control, which 90 percent of Catholics support. Francis’s realism on church divisions stems from a strategy to repair the Vatican’s scandal-battered image, and to try to win back millions of disaffected Catholics to a “big tent” idea of church.

He went further, in the interview with La Repubblica in Rome, saying: “The court is the leprosy of the papacy."

But will the pope's biting rhetoric mean fundamental changes in the Vatican, where cardinals are accustomed to being called, "Your Eminence" or "His Grace," as an assistant to Burke once referred to him while explaining that the cardinal was away?

"I am not giving interviews at this time, " Burke told GlobalPost, when reached by telephone at the Vatican. “God bless,” he added.


In an interview with Catholic Servant, a small Minneapolis paper, posted on the website of the ultra-orthodox Wanderer, Burke says that a Minnesota gay marriage law “ought to awaken all of us and frighten us with regard to the future of our nation. This is a work of deceit, a lie about the most fundamental aspect of our human nature, our human sexuality, which after life itself defines us. There is only one place these types of lies come from, namely Satan. It is a diabolical situation.”

“The present government,” continued Burke, referring to the Obama administration, “can be described in no other way than totalitarian.” He predicted that “persecutions will follow. It will not be possible for Catholics to exercise most of the normal human services whether in health care, education or social welfare because in conscience they will no longer be able to do what the government demands: to cooperate in grave moral evil.”

Burke calls the Affordable Care Act “an intolerable situation" because it covers contraceptives.

"Yes, it can be turned back — we are a democracy,” he said. “A government like ours can and must be stopped in what it is doing.”



http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/belief/catholic-church-pope-francis-vestments

[NCTraveler]

14. What do they represent.

I would say most represent greed and what is wrong with society. Kind of like the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.

[NV Whino]

7. Except that the jewelry is usually borrowed

Somehow I don't think the vestments are borrowed.

[NCTraveler]

11. How about the dresses? nt.

[NV Whino]

15. I specifically mentioned the jewelry, not the dresses.

[NCTraveler]

26. I specifically noticed that. nt.

[rhett o rick]

20. Yes, true but what is your point? nm

[NCTraveler]

27. I thought it was pretty clear.

Greed and opulence is among us. We are surrounded by it.

[rhett o rick]

34. Do you approve of the opulence of the church? Do you justify is because "Greed and opulence

is among us."?

[NCTraveler]

35. I do not approve. Not sure why you think I would or where I suggested such.

[rhett o rick]

37. Sorry, I apparently misunderstood. nm

[pintobean]

12. They need a new ring

They must beat the pirates for that to happen.

[Go Vols]

43. +1

[Dreamer Tatum]

19. What a joke

Most people in Hollywood wear more than that on their wrists. I don't see you calling them out.

[madmom]

21. Probably because "most people in Hollywood" are not

telling little old ladies on social security to send them money or go to hell!

[Dreamer Tatum]

22. Nor are cardinals.

If you don't like Catholics, or Christians, or religious people, just say that and move on.

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. see post 17, yes they are

Also quit using false equivalency


Hollywood is not the same as the catholic church nor is it a religion.
Its a really stupid comparison.


Try a religious comparison if you can.

[madmom]

31. I have nothing against people it's their religions I don't like. You are trying to

tell me that the catholics as well as other churches don't ask for "offerings"? Everyone I've ever been to does this multiple times per service.

[Bucky]

23. If they don't play any better than they did against Pittsburgh, they don't deserve it.

Mike Matheny needs to be the first to go!

[Bucky]

24. Breaking news: leaders of large ogranizations make more money than poor people. Film at 11.

[fitman]

28. My Catholic church

is putting on a $400,00 awning system no one wants...

[joeybee12]

29. I clicked thinking this would be a sports thread...nt

[Blaukraut]

32. Who pays for all that crap? Churchgoers putting their hard earned money in collection plates? n/t

[seveneyes]

36. Has anyone priced a Picasso original lately?

Religiously expensive.

[rug]

38. How many insecticide-treated bed nets will the computer you typed this on buy?

Stupid post.

[Ikonoklast]

40. I bet he purchased that computer with his own money.

And not tax-free donations that have zero strings attached as to how they get used.

[rug]

47. I bet he didn't buy it with government grants either.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ofbnp

Click on it when the shutdown's over.

[hrmjustin]

39. Just want you to know that I know a lot about vestments and most don't cost as much as the prices

you quoted here.

Are you saying clergy should not ware vestments?

[Ichingcarpenter]

44. Thank you Mr. Valet

post 17

and the link for the article and company that sells the most to the catholic church. and what the Pope says about it.

[hrmjustin]

46. I do work in a Episopal Sacristy. Not a Valet thank you.

I ware those Tunics as well.