Will someone explain WHY rightwing hacks are framing the birth control issue as "tax payer funded"

[Matariki]

Am I missing something? Isn't the legislation about requiring INSURANCE policies include birth control for women? How is that "tax payer funded"?

[arcane1]

1. The phrase "tax payer funded" conveys emotion, not information

They don't have to know what the phrase means, they just have to hear the bell ring and then salivate on cue.

[Matariki]

5. I'm wondering why they aren't being called out on that lie though.

It's been repeated ad nauseum. "I'm not paying for..." yadda yadda. And the truth is they *aren't* paying for it.

[Sparkly]

2. They made up the whole stupid story.

College girls gone wild, $3,000/year birth control, want taxpayers to pay for it, blah blah blah....

None of it is true.

[Arkansas Granny]

3. Since when did the RW hacks use the truth to rile up the base?

They don't care that they are misrepresenting the facts as long as it results in people opposing the issue.

[rustydog]

4. Since when have you heard a Right Winger EVER tell the truth in an arguement?

[mmonk]

6. All their political lies are framed around the taxpayer. It is a cult.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. The usual fact-free spewing. n/t

[immoderate]

8. It's the stupid!

They cannot help it!

Edit to add: They don't realize that proliferate birth control actually lowers medical costs. Pregnancies and children are expensive for a tax payer, or insurance company, -- whatever! (No anti-pun intended with proliferate.)

--imm

[Fumesucker]

9. I'm reminded of this quote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

[Matariki]

11. Well their "created reality" is crumbling

and it's fucking funny to watch. :grrr:

Thanks for reminding me of that quote. I hate it. It makes my blood boil.

[Skidmore]

10. Well, if the only argument you've used for decades against Roe vs. Wade

is that you shouldn't have to pay for something you don't agree with and now contraception is being considered abortion, then the argument for funding is the next logical application of the tactic.

[HockeyMom]

12. They HAVE said Griswold was bad law

Santorum said that himself. Griwwold was not about abortion, but whether MARRIED couples should have the right to BC which was then banned by the state of Ct. We told you this would happen with the right wing, religious. They not only want to ban abortion, but BC too. Contraception is IMMORAL. The PURPOSE of sex is procreation. That is their argument against gay marriage. Read between the lines. What separates gays from straight? PROCREATION. Once you take away the procreation from straight couples, the gay marriage argument goes down in flames.

Yes, Viriginia, it is not about MONEY for contraception. It is the USE of contraception which DEFEATS the purpose of sex. Women who procreate are SLUTS and sinning against god's purpose. They want a 13th Century theocracy where women are just baby making machines.

[Matariki]

14. It's always been obvious that the "pro life" stance was a lie for the majority of them

You only have to look at the same people's stances on the death penalty and war to prove it.

It is, and has always been, about controlling women.

[area51]

29. "That is their argument against gay marriage."

I realize that's one of their arguments, but shouldn't they also be trying to forbid women who are post-menopausal from getting married, if the only reason for getting married is to procreate?

Yes, I know, expecting logic from idiot rightwingers....

[me b zola]

13. The American public has largely become ingnorant and will believe anything that they are fed

I really believe that we are devolving.

[vixengrl]

15. Because the real problem for them is Title X & Planned Parenthood

IMHO

http://vixenstrangelymakesuncommonsense.blogspot.com/2012/03/limbaughs-non-apology-title-x-and.html

[Matariki]

16. Thank you post the link

That's actually quite alarming if the conclusion is correct. And baffling, I can't understand what possible benefit to anyone it is to have low income women unable to access birth control.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. Been trying to figure that out...

It's an insurance benefit. So doesn't the money for coverage for this benefit come from insurance premiums paid by all of the policy holders and their employers? It's private insurance, so there's no government money involved at all (there should be, but that's a whole 'nother discussion). The whole basis of the brouhaha was that Catholic employers didn't want to be paying insurance premiums to private insurers to cover contraception for their employees. THERE'S NO GOVERNMENT MONEY IN THIS. NO TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING USED TO BUY ANYBODY'S BIRTH CONTROL PILLS.

I wish some of these lame media flacks would point this out.

[PA Democrat]

18. I've been asking the same question.

The Georgetown students pay for their own insurance premiums. There is no taxpayer money being used here. Both Limbaugh and O'Reilly have lied about this.

[calimary]

19. frank luntz told them to. And we need to fight back too:

The talking points were issued, blast-faxed, tweeted, emailed, and probably hand-delivered. From luntz and A.L.E.C. and the rest of these "think" tanks and foundations and other citadels of 13th-Century "thinking." And they're focus-group tested, too!

Here's some counter-strategy, including FABULOUS advice from a former radio insider about fighting at the local radio level:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002374653

[kestrel91316]

20. Well, you see, everybody with enough money to AFFORD medical insurance

presumably makes enough money to be paying at least some income taxes. And if not, they still pay sales taxes. So the stuff covered by insurance is paid by taxpayers.

[ellenfl]

21. cause frank luntz told 'em to? eom

[jillan]

22. Because no one in the msm corrects them.

[Matariki]

23. That's what I'm thinking.

It's irksome. I think we need to make some noise about it.

[Odin2005]

24. Because RWers don't do logic.

[pokerfan]

25. We're talking about people who don't know where babies come from

"She wants to be paid to have sex. She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex.”

“So the woman comes forth with this frankly hilarious claim that she’s having so much sex — and her buddies with her– that she can’t afford it and not one person says, did you ever think about maybe backing off the amount of sex that you have?”

Morons!

[Avalux]

26. Because they can? Who puts a stop to it? Not the media.

They lie and lie and lie and get away with it. IF the media did their job, this bullshit wouldn't happen.

[alp227]

27. For years, Viagra has been largely covered by health insurance...

of course some of it paid for by TAX DOLLARS!
Sources:
- Erections Get Insurance; Why Not the Pill? (ABC News, 6/19/02)

and of course, the fact that health insurance companies did cover Viagra but NOT BIRTH CONTROL led several states in the mid-90s to start mandating insurance co's to carry BC...

and as for the Catholics complaining about their tax dollars going to birth control, why don't I hear more Muslims complain about government subsidies to farms that produce pork? Or Buddhists complaining about the military budget? Or atheists opposing government faith-based initiatives?

[Honeycombe8]

28. Rush didn't say taxpayer funded, did he? He referred to us paying for it...

which we will, through increased premiums. Ins. cos. base the cost of premiums on a number of things, incl. cost of claims. So when b.c. is covered, the cost of premiums will rise. It is true that those of us who have insurance will all collectively pay for that, just like we do for the other things that ins. cos. pay for. It'll be millions of women, taking b.c. every month, for years on end. Like millions of people with a chronic illness.

[Emit]

30. He said

and I quote: "... So, Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal: If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. And I'll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch...if we're gonna sit here, and if we're gonna have a part in this, then we want something in return, Ms. Fluke: And that would be the videos of all this sex posted online so we can see what we are getting for our money."

And per his non apology apology :

~snip~

I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit?In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone's bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/03/a_statement_from_rush

[B Calm]

31. They invented a new wedge issue

to get the stupid religiously insane vote. They don't give a damn about what is truth, it's all smoke and mirrors.

[GeorgeGist]

32. Because dittoheads are STUPID.

And they VOTE accordingly.