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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:57 PM Oct 2013

How would constitutional lawyer Obama have suggested this crisis be handled?

If there is no agreement or compromise and the country defaults on its debt, what then??

I seriously doubt if anything similar was ever discussed in his law class?

Does he give more weight to the power of the Legislative or the Executive Branch? Or does he look at them as equal branches of government?

Although they may be equal branches of government, that does not mean that their responsibilities are equal. One has the responsibility to legislate the laws and one has the responsibility to execute the laws. What does that mean?

If the President does not execute the laws in a faithful and legal way, he can be impeached. What happens to the Congress if they do not legislate in a faithful and legal way? Are the laws more powerful than the Congress? Is the Congress more powerful than the laws they have written? Must they abide by the laws as does everyone else? And if they do not, what legal power does the Executive have to make sure they do obey the laws?

Perhaps the Founders did not foresee such an event where no compromise could be found? Maybe it is not clearly stated in the Constitution? Does it then become a test of will power? Who will be the first to blink?

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How would constitutional lawyer Obama have suggested this crisis be handled? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2013 OP
Raising the debt limit should not be decided by the people who spent the money, it B Calm Oct 2013 #1
Exactly DJ13 Oct 2013 #3
easily written into the bill nt G_j Oct 2013 #4
Just common sense, don't you think? B Calm Oct 2013 #5
so simple, yet never mentioned in discussion G_j Oct 2013 #8
Of course we buy stuff without paying for it. It's called credit. randome Oct 2013 #10
When you get credit, you sign papers agreeing you will pay it back. B Calm Oct 2013 #11
or would he be remiss G_j Oct 2013 #2
He's going to violate the Constitution piechartking Oct 2013 #6
Use drones on the Republican Party? 1000words Oct 2013 #7
I think the Founding Father could have never envisioned a party that would FSogol Oct 2013 #9
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
1. Raising the debt limit should not be decided by the people who spent the money, it
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:00 PM
Oct 2013

should be automatically increased when they spend it.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
3. Exactly
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:11 PM
Oct 2013

The debt limit is an artificial construct that has no relation to the spending already authorized by Congress when they passed previous spending bills.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
5. Just common sense, don't you think?
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:36 PM
Oct 2013

We don't buy stuff without paying for it, so why should they?

G_j

(40,370 posts)
8. so simple, yet never mentioned in discussion
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 08:33 AM
Oct 2013

of the subject. I had it explained to me the other day. It would be a simple task to include the wording at the end of the bill.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Of course we buy stuff without paying for it. It's called credit.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 09:33 AM
Oct 2013

Practically every corporation on the planet gets loans and repays it later. The Republicans want the U.S. government to act more like a corporation? They already do.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
11. When you get credit, you sign papers agreeing you will pay it back.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 09:39 AM
Oct 2013

If we don't pay back the loaner for the credit we received, they take us to court.

G_j

(40,370 posts)
2. or would he be remiss
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:10 PM
Oct 2013

in letting them do it? I wonder what Reagan would have done after his castigating remarks, or any other President for that matter. We'll never know because it has never happened.

piechartking

(617 posts)
6. He's going to violate the Constitution
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 02:54 AM
Oct 2013

I'm working my way through a Law Review article that states that Obama should just unilaterally raise the debt ceiling and pay the bills himself. Since Congress will force him to violate the Constitution in some way if they don't raise the debt ceiling, better to choose the least unconstitutional path, which is to unilaterally raise the debt ceiling.

FSogol

(45,525 posts)
9. I think the Founding Father could have never envisioned a party that would
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 08:44 AM
Oct 2013

purposely damage the country to achieve political goals. Of course, the way they handled the issues they couldn't compromise on (slavery) was to kick it down the road.

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