ABC reports officer not shot, no gun found in suspect's car.

[Skip Intro]

Was all the shooting coming from police only?

snip:

A child was found unhurt in the suspect's car, authorities said. The woman was not carrying identification and has not been identified. Police said there were no weapons found in the suspect's car.

snip:

&quot The suspect) circled monuments in front of Capitol Hill twice while being pursued. Then she headed toward the Capitol where Capitol Hill police and Secret Service opened fire and shot her," said Senate Sergeant at Arms Terry Gainer.

snip:

Sources said the woman's vehicle is leased with out of state license plates.

A Capitol Police officer, who was initially reported shot, was later found to have been injured in a traffic accident involving an automated barricade during the pursuit.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attempt-ram-white-house-gate-ends-female-suspect/story?id=20460948

[seabeyond]

1. if it is her car, they simply run tags. not a tough one. nt

[Mass]

2. These morons cannot wait until they know the facts. There is a presser in a little more than 1

hour. Why not wait rather than quoting "sources".

I guess John Stewart will have more material for his show.

[1-Old-Man]

51. What makes you think a "presser" will provide any facts?

There will be a story told at the Presser, but how much of it is factual remains to be seen. If no one other than police were armed and the only person harmed by any means other than being shot was a policeman who ran into a barricade then I'd say that not many facts will be presented - because after all, who will be doing the presentation?

[Mass]

52. More than corporate reporters??? Who most often are wrong? Sorry, but this is plain stupid.

The media have been wrong and wrong again. Why should I trust their unconfirmed rumors.

Remember, those are the same reporters spewing GOP talking points. Why would they be more reliable here?

[Drale]

6. In this case, no ones going to blink twice

because she rammed the White House gates and the guards first duty is the protect the President and they can not know her motives or if she may be heavily armed or have a bomb or something else.

[geek tragedy]

14. Except for the 2000 lbs of metal with 200 HP she controlled. nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

16. You act like a nut in DC, expect to die.

It's simple.

No conspiracy there.

And, I think you mean "excessive."

In this case, deadly force was not "excessive."

Two 's'...

[Niceguy1]

48. anywhere

A car is a weapon and if you aim it at sn officer expect to get shot.

[maddezmom]

17. She was armed with a vehicle

[kestrel91316]

18. She rammed the WH gate. They had NO way of knowing she didn't have a bomb and 10 Uzis and 10k rounds

They had every right to act to defend our president, our legislature, and our nation's capitol from apparent hostile action.

Her car is a deadly weapon and she didn't hesitate to use it.

[FarPoint]

30. You are correct.

I saw the video...she had stopped, then took off like a fool.

[Abq_Sarah]

53. She didn't ram the WH gate

She hit a barrier in front of the Treasury building... a block away from the White House.

[maddezmom]

59. Maybe they still consider that a breach

Here is the most recent link from MSNBC

It started at 2:18 p.m. when the woman in a black car tried to breach White House security at 15th St. and E, law-enforcement sources said.


http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/03/20805397-woman-shot-and-killed-by-capitol-police-after-chaotic-chase-from-white-house

[kestrel91316]

19. She attempted to murder cops by driving her car into theirs, you fool.

[uppityperson]

21. Wasn't she armed with a 2 thousand pound machine moving fast?

[seveneyes]

38. So now we can just shoot all those drivers we see in high speed chases?

Maybe even shoot them twice if they are driving a four thousand pound machine?

[geek tragedy]

47. If they try to run over police, yes nt

[uppityperson]

50. If they tried to ram into the white house lawn and ran over police, makes sense.Not sure how you got

from this one case to "all" though. Dichotomous thinking?

[seveneyes]

54. Just bothers me that a non-killing solution was not used

I honestly don't know enough about this instance to make a call. And yes, I was being hyperdramatic.

[uppityperson]

55. It often happens that shooting too soon is employed. I don't know enough in this case either.

No problems, sorry for the snark.

[seveneyes]

64. Not a problem...I was asking for it

Sometimes I forget to count to 30 before responding to something I have read. Hell, I poked around reading this place for so long before deciding to stick my nose in, you would think I could at least follow my own preconditions. It was pretty mild snark compared to some I have seen. Thanks again.

[Aerows]

26. She rammed the gates of the White House

Protecting the POTUS is their job.

[Ranchemp.]

31. She was armed with a 2000+ weapon and already had shown

utter disregard for the safety of the officers and civilians alike.
There was no excessive use of force by law enforcement.

[AZ Mike]

33. WTF?

Are you being serious?!?!?

[Ecumenist]

43. DAFUQQ? She WAS armed with a 2 tonne battering ram on wheels....

Enjoy your stay..however long it may be!

[CJCRANE]

7. She refused to leave her car, reversed into a police car, then drove through a group of cops.

You can see the footage on CNN.

[geek tragedy]

11. Enjoy your short stay at DU. nt

[maddezmom]

12. I don't believe it was the "coppers" that ever said she was armed it was the media

[ChisolmTrailDem]

28. It was the "coppers" who said the suspect was unarmed, you moran! n/t

[Avalux]

4. Strange she has no ID on her person or in the car (if true). n/t

[randome]

56. That stood out to me, too.

Now there is a suggestion that she had mental health 'issues'.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[davepc]

5. But I thought it was an attack by an NRA rightwing crazy?

I don't like it when facts don't fit into my preconceived world view.

[MoonRiver]

8. Who said it was an NRA rightwing crazy?

[friendly_iconoclast]

24. Another DUer: "Thank Tea baggers and NRA Our government is now on lockdown"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023776935

apparently because it's fun to blame those we don't like...

[HockeyMom]

9. Of course crazy FEMALE NRA gunners

don't exist? NRA wants MORE of them.

[davepc]

13. You'd need a gun to be a "gunner", no?

And all reports say she didn't have one.

[MoonRiver]

15. And exactly why are you conducting NRA image control?

[Skip Intro]

22. How is reporting facts doing NRA image control? n/t

[MoonRiver]

37. Let me put it this way:

He doth protest too much.

[Dreamer Tatum]

41. And that's how ignorance is perpetuated

Someone points out an inconvenient error, and their motives in pointing out that error are questioned.

[The Straight Story]

20. Guess we can blame the car and no one will talk about why she did it then

Because it is always great to talk about how and not why (no one really cares why).

Even if less than one percent use their cars to harm others we should register them. Oh wait, they already are. That didn't prevent this person. Um...a list of all people we let drive? No...that didn't prevent it either. There has to be a law we can pass to make sure no one ever does this again. Any law passed would make me feel safer at this point (just whatever we do, don't blame that poor lady or look for a cause).

[gollygee]

23. Let's see

1. She didn't actually kill anyone. If she'd had a gun, she would have been able to easily kill a great number of people.

2. How common are mass-killings-by-cars?

[stillcool]

62. car bombs

are all the rage...but I guess you have to wait for the car to blow up before you attempt to intercept. Maybe next time?

[randome]

63. Why does it need to be a 'mass killing'?

She drove erratically, crashed at least twice, so she was a danger to others as well as her child.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[Eleanors38]

42. Well, effective myths work in every situation, don't they?

[apples and oranges]

29. Diabetic attack, perhaps?

She left the house in a panic with her child, but ultimately lost consciousness while on the road?

[geek tragedy]

32. No. She had full control of the vehicle. nt

[HappyMe]

34. I don't think so.

She rammed the gate by the WH, then led the cops on a high speed chase to the Capital.

[apples and oranges]

36. But why did she have a child in the car?

That's the part that makes me question if there's something more to the story. She rammed the gate then freaked when she saw everyone pointing a gun at her. Fight or flight reaction.

[HappyMe]

39. Who the hell knows.

Who knows if it's even her kid? Just because she had a child, that doesn't make her sane or able to care for the kid.
She refused to get out of the car. I don't think this is a case of a bad driver with bad judgement. She had some sort of agenda.

[frazzled]

35. Left her house in Connecticut and ended up in DC?

I think we all need to wait to see what really happened. The reports right now, even several hours after, are WILDLY different.

[hootinholler]

40. Reported on channel 4 in DC as well n/t

[LittleBlue]

44. Very sad

I sincerely hope that this was not a hypoglycemic incident from a diabetic or mental illness.

Her child in the car with no guns makes me think this may not have been a genuine attempt to cause mayhem.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

45. Cliff van Zandt said maybe "road rage" - on MSNBC

She made a wrong turn and hit the WH gate and got pissed and took off.

Thanks Cliff.

[Skip Intro]

46. All because of wrong turn?

Man, how tragic if true.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

49. Don't take Cliff too seriously.

[Avalux]

57. She had no identification in the car (per ABC news).

Isn't that just a little strange Cliff? Out of state license plate, no ID? Tourist who made a wrong turn and went bananas with a child in the car?

[maddezmom]

60. A little bit more information

A crazed Connecticut woman who tried to ram her way into the White House was shot and killed Thursday after she led police on a high-speed chase through Washington that left one police officer injured.
The woman, a 34-year-old dental hygienist from Stamford who once lived in Brooklyn and who ABC News said has a history of “mental health issues,” had a child in the car with her who was not hurt, officials said.

The drama began around 2:20 p.m., officials said, after the female motorist --- driving a leased black Infiniti – sped into the driveway leading into the White House and tried to breach security at 15th and Pennsylvania Ave., officials said.
Thwarted by the pylons and confronted by cops with their guns drawn, the woman spun the car around and hit the gas – knocking a Secret Service agent over the hood of the car as she sped away.
With Capitol police and Secret Service agents in hot pursuit, the woman raced 12 blocks toward the Capitol, chased at speeds of up to 80 mph at some points.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shots-fired-u-s-capitol-report-article-1.1475378#ixzz2ghPMOcoF

[Avalux]

61. Thank you!

[randome]

58. I don't second-guess officers in a tense situation.

But I wonder why no one tried to shoot out her tires. I mean the car was stopped and surrounded by about six armed officials. I wish at least one of them had thought about this.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[geek tragedy]

65. If someone's charging at police with a knife, they don't shoot them in the big toe. nt