There must be SOME advantage the GOP hopes to gain from waging a war on women. What are they hiding?

[RandomKoolzip]

After observing the behavior of the Republicans for years and years, one can deduce that the GOP will often make miscalculations - or sometime they will make miscalculations that hide an ulterior motive. The recent, unified war against contraception and women's rights seems, on the surface, to be a complete (literal) no-brainer: a position that will GUARANTEE a defeat in the short term. Coupled with the rise of the more extreme wing of the party in the primaries, wherein Rick Santorum's radically extremist right views are suddenly thrust under everyone's noses every day in the news, thus tuning off a huge swath of voters, this whole thrust on the part of the GOP almost seems like a either a TOO-calculated, too-obvious move to either throw the 2012 general election, or in any event, turn off much of America to social conservatism (notice how the discourse went from economic issues to social issues in, like, two months? Thanks to the conservatives, of course - the media debate goes wherever the conservatives want it to go).

Okay, so I'm babbling. What I'm trying to ask is this: is this recent move toward showcasing the ugliest possible side to social conservative politics - a move that seems on the surface to ensure a short-term defeat for their side - hiding a secret motive somehow? I've heard whispers that they're trying to move everyone - the members of their own party, the Dems, independent voters -- rightward again in the long-term, with regard to socially conservative positions. Could it be that they want the public debate to focus on social issues in order to distract voters away from looking at the truly vile economic plans they may be hatching while they still have some power in Congress?

In a nutshell - The trouble is that Rush, Santorum, et al. doubling down on their misogynist, socially conservative positions is a guaranteed lose-lose proposition for the GOP. But we know, from observation, that the conservatives are crafty bastards. There HAS to be a hidden motive, right? They CAN'T be this stupid and short-sighted. Remember, the GOP is evil, not stupid.

Or are they really just stupid?

My brain hurts.

[Shankapotomus]

1. No advantage I can tell

I think they are really this stupid

[randome]

2. You got it.

There is no secret motive. No conspiracy. The sad fact we face is that some of our fellow species are truly stupid.

[Gruntled Old Man]

25. Yep

Sometimes it really is that simple.

[mucifer]

3. don't worry your pretty little head about it.

(Ok I did check your profile and know you are a guy)

[RandomKoolzip]

4. I AM a guy, but my head IS really pretty. Thanks for noticing!

[Tennessee Gal]

5. Their problem is that the economy is showing improvement and ....

Americans are beginning to understand how destructive their tax policies have been to the deficit/debt and this has exposed their selfish stances as power grabbing support of their wealthiest donors. So, their campaign issue options are limited. What do they fall back on? Conservative social issues .... but this time they may have gone too far. Time will tell.

A secret motive? I don't see one.

[hlthe2b]

6. I think they are being driven by their insecurities--loosing "power" to racial minorities, to women

and to others they believe inferior to themselves (e.g., GLBT), non-Xians, and of course, those who would oppose them (Liberals/Progressives/Democrats).

Those so driven by their insecurities are unable to substitute judgement, even when all signs point to adverse consequences.

[cindyperry2010]

16. That I think is really close

to what is going on in their peanut sized brains

[BlancheSplanchnik]

62. yeah, they're reactionaries

there are a few things they understand---like propaganda

and fear

and manipulation

the powerful among them understand ownership=power=money

But I don't think they excel at long term planning, certainly not in terms of long term planning that considers the good--what people need and social trends, because they don't understand people, not from an empathetic perspective.

They want their way, and when they don't get it, they know how to create chaos (throw a snot-nosed tantrum, in the common parlance).

[A-Schwarzenegger]

7. They have been driven insane

by the fact that a brilliant black man is about to be re-elected
after all this turmoil, after the very Second Depression. They
are being out-smarted by a black man they fear & hate
& just cannot figure out or figure out how to beat, and they
have lost their ever-lovin' minds.

As a result, their campaign has sunk to the bedrock of all their
social and economic policies, and that bedrock is the
fear & hatred of women, and the increasingly desperate
need to control her, even to the point of destroying themselves.

It will be particularly sweet when one of the biggest reasons
the feared & hated Obama will be re-elected is that he will win the
great majority of those feared & hated women.

[Tennessee Gal]

9. Yep!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

15. And now, with Obama's call to Fluke...

they must witness the horror of a black man rescuing a white woman
from the profane & violent clutches of raging white men--themselves!

[CrispyQ]

58. ~lol.

I love the irony!

To answer the OP, they are not the sharpest tacks in the pack & they have gone so long spewing crap & never getting called on it, that they are over now overly confident that the media will back them & that the People will acquiesce.

Again, they are so certain they control reality, when in fact, they have not looked at reality closely in such a long time, that they have no idea how out of touch they sound - to millions of women and men - when they make these derogetory comments about women & outrageous statements about birth control.

I hope we can get that hateful prick off the air. I will party the day that hole dies.

[CTyankee]

32. There is really no place they can go. With abortion, they made up the term "partial birth

abortion," a total deceit. It worked because it played to the extreme edge of abortion politics, to our detriment once that term was unleashed on the unsuspecting public. Who could be for murdering full term babies?

This is quite different. They are trying to move this to the extreme edge of contraception with the terms "slut" and "prostitute." The problem is that you offend different types of voters, the young woman college age/ starting out professional and the parents of those young women. Hence, President Obama's telling Sandra Fluke to tell her parents he thought they should be proud of her. That was directly aimed at that demographic. You may be conservative on a number of economic issues (which according to Fluke her parents are) but calling their daughter such names is just insane, as a political strategy.

So the question is: to whom does the message on contraception coverage work politically? Once you have lost the quasi-real religious freedom issue (which the RW has) you are left with contraception itself, a stand alone topic. No matter how you look at it, it is a loser, except with a narrow group of religious fanatics.

Now we will see whether this narrow group of religious fanatics, coupled with (and more than likely overlapping) racists who can't stand the idea of a black president will overcome politically a coalition of Dems and moderate Independents in swing states. Unless there is a very big economic downturn or some devastating foreign policy turn of events, this election is the Dems to lose...the Republicans certainly can't win...

[treestar]

39. +1 This goes against their world view

Their entire world has had a foundation taken from it - a black man should not win the Presidency, merely because black men should not be able to accomplish that.

[magical thyme]

44. there's a time I wouldn't have believed that, except for a woman that I work with

She grew up in the south. She is a sweet, kind, hard working, beautiful, supportive "steel magnolia" in the flesh....until it comes to Obama.

He can do no right. You cannot have a civil discussion with her about any policy advanced by him, no matter how helpful it is. She starts to look like her head will explode with rage and pure, unadulterated hatred.

I first learned of her hard-right, teaparty, KKKristian leanings when she returned from a vacation talking about a wonderful history lecture she attended. People misunderstand and misrepresent slavery. Most owners were very kind, it wasn't at all the way it's presented.

Also climate change is a myth and the scientists, all of them, every single one of them in the world who research it, review and believe the data of their research, is in the employ of the US Government and paid to lie.

Seriously, it was quite shocking to me to witness the "shape-shifting."

[liberal N proud]

8. IMO, they miscalculated when they embraced the teabaggers.

They let a mostly radical group drive the agenda in 2010 to take control of Congress and now they have been consumed by the teabagger agenda.

The radicalness has consumed them.

[DCBob]

10. They couldnt resist the bait and their true colors are showing now.

Most of them truely believe the crap Limbaugh and Santorum are spewing. They usually are able to hide it because they know its a killer politically. But now, with it out there, many are just doubling down and going for broke. I think desperation and futility are beginning to set in and they dont care if it hurts them politically. They know they are going to lose anyway in November so WTF.

[Life Long Dem]

11. The economy is improving so they can't talk about the economy.

So what we see being talked about is an effect of what they are avoiding to talk about.

[Motown_Johnny]

12. I agree

they need some social issues to run on and they are running out of them


Same sex marriage is less and less scary every day and the DADT repeal has gone well


This is an attempt to go back and run on being anti-choice, but even that doesn't work anymore so they had to dig deeper. Now they are in a hole with no way out.

[KG]

13. maybe they think they can win if they get the vote of every white male in the country?

that's the only conclusion i've been able to suss out...

[Life Long Dem]

18. Racism to them is a division tool.

They use racism (the vote of every white male) to divide us.

[vankuria]

20. The way I see it

even white males may get turned off by this. They like sex just as much as anyone else and I would assume they appreciate birth control. This is a losing battle for the GOP...no one is going to stop having sex.

[treestar]

40. And that would still make them stupid, since they know there are liberal white men

Seeing things the way they do, they think liberalism is a tool other white men use to get power.

[Tomay]

14. I think they're just deeply stupid

I like to read comments on right-wing websites like Lucianne.com, etc. to keep up on what the other side's up to, and the overwhelming impression I get is that the Repug base is mainly composed of reactionary morons. The vast majority of them totally back Limbaugh's reprehensible comments, and many of them believe that ANY Repug candidate, even a knuckle-dragger like Santorum, will beat Obama in November, since "everyone hates Obama". The Repug leadership is simply catering to their base. They are all living in a right-wing echo chamber, and I for one am starting to savor this election. I can't wait to watch them all go down to flaming defeat in November.

[Motown_Johnny]

17. Rove went "deeper not wider" to get W. votes

and now that they have abandoned the middle they can't win them back easily.

Now they need to go even deeper for votes, and they just aren't there. Their party is now suffering the inevitable downfall of the flawed and shortsighted tactics known as "Rovian politics".

The same way they run up the debt without any clue how to ever pay it off, they now have a credibility debt with swing voters and they have no way to pay that off either. They just keep digging deeper and deeper until there is no way out.

With any luck we can hand them their asses this November and cause a real break in the party. They will all turn on each other and blame the other factions for the loss. The Republican party is broken and needs to be shattered before it can be rebuilt.

[Schema Thing]

19. Santorum couldn't take on Mitt wrt the economy. They see Mitt losing

to Obama on the economy.... so Santorum just went were he was natural going.


Rush et al followed, because A) they see themselves being muted/silenced on the economy, and B) they are violently stupid.

[piratefish08]

21. i truly think they are caught up in the ecstasy of swinging their viagra swollen dicks around in

public.

they are nothing but a bunch of creepy misogynistic freaks..... fucking cavemen.

[Surya Gayatri]

35. Oh, wow, that mental image is almost

more than I can handle! Bwaahaaaa!

Think of the four remaining pres. contenders whipping out their wangs on the debate stage...
SG

[sendero]

22. My oft-repeated theory here..

.. is that the GOP does not want the presidency in 2012. The mess this country is in cannot be fixed by any president and I think they would prefer to sit it out and then blame it all on "eight years of Obama".

It is VERY DIFFICULT to lose an election with the economy in the shambles it is in but I'm starting to think that the GOP just might pull it off.

[Volaris]

37. I think your argument has a lot of merit...

I had a short conversation with conservative friend the other day (HE doesn't call himself a Republican anymore, because he says the REPUBLICAN party has become too establishment, and therefore, too liberal) and he very quickly equated Pres. Obama to Pres. Jr., in that "neither ONE of them had done a DAMN THING to help the country, and that hunting down OBL was just a feather in Obama's cap that he decided to put there FOR SHOW, because OBL had become "irrelevant"". Yes, I agree with you that they are just going to try and "...just blame it on the cook.", as it were, but I don't think it will work. I think this because too many middle-of-the-road, independent, otherwise-would-be-Republican-voters KNOW how badly the last Administration let things TRULY get fucked up in this Country, and now they all know better than to let themselves get suckered again. Some of them might have considered voting for Romney, but through the course of just the Primary fights he has so destroyed his own credibility that none of them will trust him if he's the GOP nom. All of the people I know are openly discussing policy issues in a way they never have before, friends of mine that NEVER used to have the slightest inclining in American Politics are clicking over to Current.com for their weekly news fixes, ALL of the laid-off Union Labor guys I have the honor of working with at my second job are fired up over what they see as a powerful, (if overall small) push-back against Union busting by State Governments, and my girlfriends kids (10 & 8) and my daughter, (13) were happy as hell over the repeal of DADT and were pissed that the SOPA bill might have the slightest chance of EVER becoming Law. My girlfriend, who HATESHATESHATES the talking heads on the news with the fury of a thousand suns, said to me the other day she heard Newt talking about 2$/gallon gas and she thought "is he NUTS? Even I know that isn't something the President can REALLY control and this guy sounds like the kid at school who says ""if you put me in charge, we will have recess all day and candy for lunch." I might not really like the Pres., but no way in HELL am I voting for THAT moron."

WOW I didn't mean to be so long winded, and yeah, I DO actually know about paragraphs lol, but my point is, wether the GOP wants it to happen or NOT, the American Public is discussing American Politics, and I believe the results, long term, WILL NOT be to the GOP's liking. They can bitch and cry about it all they want, but it won't change the fact that they did this to themselves, and EVENTUALLY, as we always do in this nation, We the People find a way to punish intentional stupidity.
And its happening NOW, were in the midst of it. I know sometimes it feels like it can be hard to see, but I promise you it's there, it's REAL and it's NOT going to go away. (Much to the chagrin of my conservative friend =))
P.S.--where's the damn spellchecker button now?

[sendero]

63. Well said and.

.... I appreciate the anecdotal information.

I don't talk politics with many (there are a few that see things as I do) as here in TX there are a lot of wingnuts and I have learned to not waste time with them.

As for the country's restoring sanity, I'm not seeing much of that yet. But I am certainly glad you are!

[SDjack]

23. It may be exhilaration that a kamikaze pilot feels

as the target is selected, the course is set, the acceleration increases -- followed by the joyful realization that the point of no-return has been passed, and ... SPLAT.

[Surya Gayatri]

31. Nicely apt metaphor, SD...

In my mind's eye, I see the insane cowboy pilot in "Dr. Strangelove" riding his H-bomb down into oblivion!


SG

[Atman]

24. The REAL Republicans are trying to kill off the lunatic fringe.

This is the only way they can kill their Frankenstein's monster that is The Tea Party. If the radical right crazy tea baggers win this one, it will serve to strengthen and embolden them, and make them even harder to get rid of. The GOP didn't really want them to stick around, they were just an AstroTurf ruse to help them win back the House. Now the GOP is done with them, but some people took the ruse seriously and refuse to go away.

Conversely, while they claim to hate Rmoney, the fact is, he is a moderate. Even better for the GOP, he is a moderate who can be easily bought. The ONLY thing Rmoney cares about is more money, so he can likely be counted on to do their bidding if elected. Now, he likely won't get elected, but that's not the GOP's larger concern. They're trying to regain some semblance of moderation after years of inmates running the asylum.

If Rmoney simply wins the nomination, they can begin to clean house and claim "See, we're not that bad! We can be moderate," while telling the super-right extremist tea baggers that the voters have spoken, and America wants moderation, not extremism.

I guarantee we'll be seeing the "sane" branch of the GOP running in 2016 -- Mitch Daniels, Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, etc. They'll still push the same benefit/entitlement slashing, tax-cuts-for-rich agenda, but the guys pushing it will seem reasonable, unlike the lunatics who lost 2012. Remember, the GOP, unlike Democrats, tends to play the long game. America likes to change parties after a president has had his two terms. The GOP is simply expecting they've probably already got 2016, just because of history. But the need to discredit these lunatic extremists just to be extra-safe.

[libinnyandia]

29. Romney is a moderate in the GOP. In the real world he is a reationary. Just look at his tax plan.

[DURHAM D]

26. In the late 60s the leaders of the Republican Party -

were looking around for a way to take advantage of the emerging change in the South after Johnson signed the civil rights and the voting rights act. Also the Vietnam War was going on. The Republican party leaders saw frustration out their and decided to bottle it and use it to win elections.

From that day to this every single policy position taken by that party is based on use of the wedge issue of hate to get votes.

Women and minorities were the original target and are still the main target today. The difference now is that where the early party leaders were just using it to get votes, the leaders in the party today are true bigots. They rose in the ranks, they are in leadership positions, they have taken over the party. They can not help themselves.

I do not believe the Republicans have a master plan at this point. They are just so full of hate that they can not see the destruction it is doing to their party. The leaders are on god's mission.

Sadly, what the Democratic Party has never really been good at is working with that basic reality and pointing it out in easily understood messages for the voters.

[MoonRiver]

27. They are incredibly arrogant.

They really believe we women are their possessions and THEY know what's best for us. But this arrogance will be their downfall. Maybe they will learn, but probably not.

[justiceischeap]

28. I've asked this same question and I've come to the following conclusion

In the not too distant future, women could become more powerful than men (we outnumber men in the US by 3% I think). What better way to retain power than by preemptively taking power away from all groups that are outnumbering them?

The republican breed of old-white men are dying off so they attempt to enact laws that in, their minority numbers, will allow them to retain power. That's how I'm seeing it anyway. They also now know how far they can go with their social conservatism and what it will net them. This, IMO, is a big old social experiment to boot. I think they know they have a slim chance of winning in November, so they put their sacrificial lambs to work on social issues. Mostly though, I think they see their way of thinking dying off and are desperately trying to find ways to hang on to it.

[Warren Stupidity]

30. Vaginas and gas prices is all they've got.

I personally don't see how they win with their War on Women, and gas was 4 bucks under boosh just before the Crash, so that issue is not an easy win for them either. But what else do they have?

Oh yeah, they have a NEGRO in the WHITE house.

And that is all.

The scary part to me is that I've given up estimating the average insanity of Americans.

[NNN0LHI]

33. Well, they got away with "Barack the Magic Negro", so I guess they figured the sky was the limit

Unfortunately it is not just Republicans who can be really stupid.

Don

[flvegan]

34. A prehistoric mindset that women can't/shouldn't vote?

I dunno. Thankfully I'm not quite stupid enough to be able to think like they do to figure it out.

[Blaze Diem]

36. Yes. You are correct. I expect a slow chipping away at

right for women to vote. Gee life for men was so simple before women demanded equality

[global1]

38. Is It Me Or Have All The Wedge Issues That Repugs Used So Successfully In The Past.......

turned around on them?

[RandomKoolzip]

46. Well, the fact that they're STILL harping on that shit is puzzling to me.

I mean, you'd think that, looking at the their numbers, and looking at the shift towards Libertarianism (which is the hot, hot political affiliation these days), that the GOP would start moving away from social conservatism - they WANT to win votes, right? This is why I suspect that there MUST be some hidden motive behind their continual use of these kinds of wedge issues.

[EFerrari]

48. Have they? We're still arguing about abortion all these decades later.

The drug war is stil on. Social services have been cut to nothing. Our schools are in tatters. Voting rights are under attack all over the country. The only gains I can see are around GLBT issues and teenagers are still committing suicide.

I think the thuggery has been pretty successful in moving the country to the right. They may do it to distract from the fact they are lousy governors but there is a longer term gain.

[Mist]

50. I've suspected for decades that there's a reason women have to keep fighting

the same reproductive battles: during the '70s, women were the majority of the activists re: consumer advocacy. Women are very good at this sort of thing--reading people, knowing where and what volunteers should be doing, setting up phone trees. There was a real threat of women changing too much of the status quo--get 'em running around on the abortion/reproductive issues thing and keep 'em out of anything else. The '80s were the first big backlash against reproductive rights, and it hasn't let up since then. We're always fighting the same goddamn fight.

JMO.

[EFerrari]

52. You make good point. n/t

[RandomKoolzip]

55. Great post.

And, as a male, I apologize that this fight is still going on and I proudly stand with you in solidarity.

[Oilwellian]

61. You may find this article very interesting

Why Patriarchal Men Are Utterly Petrified of Birth Control - and Why We'll Still Be Fighting About It 100 Years From Now

http://www.alternet.org/visions/154144/?page=entire

[catrose]

41. It's puzzling

They're racist--so there goes the nonwhite vote, pretty large when they've made sure to run off the Hispanic vote with their stance on immigration. They're homophobic--so there goes the LGBT vote, probably with a large chunk of friends and family. Now women, by anyone's count at least 50% of the population. They don't even count or try to appeal to the poor. I can't figure out how they can win anything, unless their voting machine hacks really are that good. The nasty rich old white man vote isn't enough to elect anybody to anything. But it's refreshing to have them honest, making it clear that they're in it only for themselves.

[HappyMe]

42. Because they have nothing else.

And they really are that stupid.

[LiberalEsto]

43. This is a planned, engineered distraction

to divert our attention from their plans to protect the rich and the corporations at all costs.

It's a vile distraction, but it's working.

[RandomKoolzip]

54. The REALLY insidious part is that a) Yes, it's a distraction, but

also b) The kinds of laws they're proposing will be the most vile and misogynist rollbacks possible, dooming women to second-class citizen status. I don't want to minimize the actual impact of what the GOP wants to do.

[sufrommich]

45. They cater to the the angry white male vote.

Men who think equal rights for women and ethnic groups are the source of all their losses and disappointments in life, if there is a motive, it is to turn back time to an era that suited the angry white male better, it won't happen, they've lost the culture war, they just don't know it yet.

[dynasaw]

47. They See the End for the Likes of Them

1. Cross racial marriages at an all time high
2. For the first time in history women outnumber men in colleges (damn, these women will be able to think for themselves and not have a bunch of elderly white men dictating to them)
3. We have a black president
4. The white population has declined and they are in the minority for the first time and it's not going to change.
5. What the old white guard says or espouse have no relevance; losing power and trying like hell to hang on.

[gulliver]

49. Freedom of religion. Then Rush adds the class war code words.

The GOP wants to leverage the supposed unpopularity of "Obamacare," so one way is to say it is a government encroachment on religious freedom. Rush is just riffing on the theme, but his audience is a bunch of moron assholes. Hence, it turns into other people's money being given to a "co-ed" from "Georgetown." To Rush's audience, that stuck-up college chick who they would never have a chance with is asking for someone else to pay for her to have sex with someone else.

Same old bullshit. It's just about exploiting the resentment of male failures and the ignorant and telling them they are superior.

[The Backlash Cometh]

51. I think there's a factor involved here that deserves a name.

This issue might have received more traction ten years ago at the peak of the Christian right, holier than though, family values, abortion clinic bombing era.

I think the fact that it isn't, and that it's crumbling the Republican base, says more about where we are as a society, than it says about the Republican platform. Really, their platform never changed. They always need someone to hate to galvanize their group. And women have been a target in the past with great success. In the past, they fed off men's resentment to the competition they faced with women in the job market. It worked because we were living in an autocratic, patriarchy era we just went through.

I mean, have we forgotten the kind of abusive things they use to say on right-wing radio? Did Limbaugh say anything different than what he's been saying for years?

So, it's not the Republicans who have changed, but our society.

[SalviaBlue]

53. Its a diversion.

Look. Over here.

[toddwv]

56. You're forgetting a fact that explains all of this.

A LOT of right-wingers get their information from insular sources that, in turn, seem to repeat the same pablum that is fed to them by their political taskmasters.

They actually believe that they are winning because their "news" tells them that THEY are the ones who are expressing the opinions of most Americans. They discount polls showing otherwise and lacking credibility.

Trust me on this. I engage far-rightwingers on a daily basis. The farther right they are, the more likely they are to be wrapped up in their own little deluded world and believe the shit that they a shoveling.

Fortunately, over the past few months I have seen moderates and a bit further center-rights throw their hands up in frustration and disgust over some of the stances that the Republican party is taking.

But there is no doubt in my mind that many of the right actually believe what they are peddling.

[AlinPA]

57. They are simply trying to fire up the GOP voters. Their base loves it. GOP women too.

[Ship of Fools]

59. Even as we speak, even as we sit here and

yell for Limpballs head, the GOP are behind closed doors
all over the country locking down the election fraud they
are about to commit.

2012 will make 2004 look like child's play ...

JMO.

[deacon]

60. They're shrinking the base they are trying to kiss the ass of. n/t

[socialist_n_TN]

64. Yeah, I've wondered about this too, BUT..........

Having interacted with RWers on another political board for a while a few years ago, I actually think that they BELIEVE that these positions are a majority position among the American people, even women.

I knew there was a new meme developing when one of the MOST reactionary RWer on that board started calling himself a "moderate". At first I think that it was just to claim the label and try and pull the conversation to the right. IOW, to cause the general PERCEPTION that these outlandish RW beliefs was the "norm" or "moderate". But after a while it seemed that he started BELIEVING it himself. He actually thought that most people DID think like him.

IMO, they're relying on the old Nixon "Silent Majority" along with a healthy dose of voter suppression of the Dem and left voting groups. However, I REALLY believe that since '04, the "Silent Majority" of the 21st Century is the left side of the political spectrum. The country has shifted left, but very few in the political class ON EITHER SIDE will acknowledge it. The Republicans for obvious reasons. The Dems don't want to acknowledge it because it calls into question their strategy of "triangulation" and moving further right for the last 30 years.

[marlakay]

65. I think they know their going to lose a bunch of far right seats

In the fall, maybe the house and want to pass as much of their bills before then thinking they can filibuster if the dems try to change it back.

I think they already know Obama is going to win so they don't care how crazy they are.