What is the Grand bargain

[gabeana]

referring to,

I am sure I should know what it is but could someone help me out

[doc03]

1. From past experiance it means Chained CPI and other cuts to

SS and other programs.

[gabeana]

4. thanks

so its back to going after the GOP dream of cuts to entitlement programs

[Roland99]

2. He's asking the Grand Wizard first, I guess

Although...wonder who is under that hood...Rove or Norquist?

[AgingAmerican]

3. It's where the GOP gets 98% of what they want

...and we get a few token crumbs in return.

[el_bryanto]

5. Generally it refers to Social Security but can refer to other things

It's the idea that you can get some kind of compromise on an essential issue that can fix Social Security between Democrats and Republicans.

In recent years it's become more a negative term. Again taking Social Security, when one side wants to strengthen and improve Social Security (Democrats/Liberals) and the other side wants to Destroy it (Republicans/Conservatives) what kind of grand bargain is really possible? "Well we'll maim social security, but we won't actually bury it." It often refers to the desires of some Democrats and a handful of Republicans to fix problems through Compromise which inevitably means giving up Democratic Values and Principals.

Bryant

[NRaleighLiberal]

6. Check out this link

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/thefederalbudget/a/What-Is-The-Grand-Bargain.htm

[gabeana]

8. thank you

this is a really good link

[magical thyme]

7. It's also what President Obama wanted in the past

and I'm glad they're stupid enough to think they can get it through this way, because he cannot negotiate on the debt ceiling. So I think if they push for it now they'll force him to say "No grand barngain" and may just accidentally kill any chance of it in the future. Kill it for effing good.

[Wounded Bear]

9. Goes back to the Simpson-Bowles Catfood Commission.....

where they determined that the only way to 'fix' our economy was to cut SS/Medicare/Medicaid and double down on Military spending. (Not really true, there were some 'cuts' to the Pentagon, but not much.)

The backlash was pretty severe (look at the Catfood Commission meme, for one thing) so they renamed it the "Grand Bargain" to sound better. SSDN-same shit, different name.

[chill_wind]

10. DLC/Third Way ideology. Touted by them as far back as 1999

in their agitating for a bargaining "fix" on social security. Further back than that, really.


DLC | The New Democrat | January 1, 1999
A Grand Bargain on Social Security
By Will Marshall

more here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1571153

and lots of direct references by them here:

http://www.thirdway.org/publications/609

[Downwinder]

11. Sort of like a Final Solution.