OK, what are your Ouija Boards & Tarot cards saying? How's this gonna end?

[Jackpine Radical]

Give it your best shot. Will we go all the way to default? Will the Republicans cave by the end of the week?

And what will be the longer-term consequences?

[grasswire]

1. uncharted territory

I fear the worst: the 17th is their Reichstag and they go all out for the coup. Total chaos.

[truebluegreen]

3. Continued shutdown until debt default looms. 14th Amendment.

Followed by Republican meltdown and split in Republican house, followed by ouster of Boehner and election of a "moderate" (relative term) to speakership. Followed by some semblance of work. edit: long term disarray on Republican side of the aisle; Rs lose the House in 2014

I know; I have my rose-colored glasses on today.


edit: Oops. Meant to reply to original post.

[grasswire]

7. see this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023773560

[Agnosticsherbet]

2. Sorry, the spirit of the Ouija is non-essential employee and has been furloughed

My Tarot Deck deals only 'The Tower.' I think it's scared shitless.

[Jackpine Radical]

9. Wow, the Tower--of course.

The archetypal significance of that card haunts me with its eerie connection to 9-11.

The Tower shows a tall tower pitched atop a craggy mountain. Lightning strikes and flames burst from the building’s windows. People are seen to be leaping from the tower in desperation, wanting to flee such destruction and turmoil. The Tower signifies darkness and destruction on a physical scale, as opposed to a spiritual scale. The Tower itself represents ambitions built on false premises. The lightning bolt breaks down existing forms in order to make room for new ones. It represents a sudden, momentary glimpse of truth, a flash of inspiration that breaks down structures of ignorance and false reasoning. Notice the lightning bolt is oriented left to right (from the perspective of the card), from heaven to earth, and from Spirit to material. The falling figures correspond to the chained prisoners in the Devil card. They fall headfirst, because the sudden influx of spiritual consciousness represented by the lightning flash completely upsets all our old notions about the relations between subconsciousness and self-consciousness. The flames are actually the Hebrew yods. There are 22 flames, representing the 22 Major Arcana. The gray clouds are the clouds of misfortune that rain on everyone indiscriminately. The ruling planet of this card is Mars.

[Myrina]

20. Or ...

http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=5&i=41966&t=41966


St. Peter's in the Vatican .....

[Jackpine Radical]

22. I didn't know about that one.

Another instantiation of the archetype.

[Motown_Johnny]

4. Traditional Republicans must turn on the Teabaggers

Democrats will not move and Teabaggers will not move. There is no other way out.

I think this could end next week. The DJI is dropping steadily and now even Bloomberg is saying that the Republicans are no longer the party of business.

My guess is that this goes another 5-6 days and ends around Tuesday of next week (give or take a day). Hopefully the Sunday shows will help bring enough light to the subject that the (R)s decide to move sooner rather than later.


Then the debt ceiling fight... I think it will go fairly smoothly simply because of the momentum from this fight. The Teabaggers will be screaming, crying and holding their breath until they turn blue but what else is new?


Long term... All the (R)s who do the right thing get primary challengers from the far right and the final showdown between the Teabaggers and the traditional Republicans will kick off. Eventually the Teabaggers win and the Republican party becomes a southern regional party by 2022.

[randome]

8. Agree with you. But whatever the TP/GOP morphs into, I think they are finished.

They will forever be viewed as second-rate.
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[Bjorn Against]

5. The Republicans will cave once their campaign donors start pulling funding

A lot of people are losing money off this shut down, and there is no doubt that some of the Republican donors who own corporations that happen to be major government contractors are losing huge amounts of money every day this shut down goes on. Once the big money sources threaten to pull funds from Republican campaigns this shutdown will end, the Republicans may not listen to the people but they do listen to the money.

[Berlum]

6. Note well, Earthlings: Two Major Mojo Eclipses coming soon to your planet

There you have it.

[dipsydoodle]

10. You missed out tea leaves.

.

[Jackpine Radical]

12. Well, the Tea Leaf people don't seem to be doing so well with their soothsaying.

[TeamPooka]

11. Republicans will be dumber than when they started this whole thing. nt

[Jackpine Radical]

13. How?

IQ can't take negative values.

[TeamPooka]

14. they will find a way. They are that good at being dumb. nt

[mnhtnbb]

15. I do not think the Republicans will cave until after the default.

All hell will break loose and it will be the end of the Republican Party as we know it.

Somebody like Colin Powell will be recruited to start a new party--the Republicans having
been doomed by the Tea Baggers to never again be accorded any respect--and the country
will then, finally, with the moderates and fundie right wingers split, begin to move to the left.

I can dream, can't I?

[ladjf]

29. I'm not making fun of you when I say "nice dream". I'm so accustomed to most things going

wrong that I can't have much hope for a realistic ending ending to this disaster.

[JCMach1]

16. Republicans have backed themselves into a lose/lose situation

that's the dangerous part...

[Agnosticsherbet]

17. I think it is more of a head long charge into a lose/lose situation that they think they can win.

There is some evidence that Republicans wanted the shutdown all along. This year, since the meeting mention in my other link, They blocked a conference committee requests 18 times. In fact, 80 Republican members of Congress wrote a letter calling for the shut down.
(Link to the Letter.)

So this was clearly their choice, not a retreat.

It being a choice, they must have considered what they want and what they will accept. The question is, can the whole Republican Caucus hold together?

So far they have.

[Jackpine Radical]

18. Yes, I think the Teabaggers were ooking for this fight, and for the shutdown.

I wonder, though, if they didn't expect the Administration to back down & give them some goodies to take home in exchange for ending the hostage situation.

If my suspicion is correct, one wonders how long they will persist in their delusion. As has been pointed out, the Big Money Guys who fund them are getting very unhappy with the potential for default, the public isn't buying their bullshit, and things are just generally getting worse for them.

There are some interesting recent psychological findings about the effect of presenting delusional people with facts that overwhelmingly contradict the delusions. Turns out that they just harden their attachment to their wrongheaded beliefs.

[Agnosticsherbet]

19. Unless a bunch of Republicans (including the speaker) defects to a clean bill, it will run at

least until the debt ceiling is hit between October 18 and November 5.

If it runs much longer we may be looking at another Republican led economic depression as countries around the world feel the pinch.

[Jackpine Radical]

21. The rest of the world could just about justify invading us

as a threat to international well-being.

[RiffRandell]

23. C'mon dude, it seems you want it to end badly.

Can I kindly suggest getting through this as a united front with Republicans as our common enemy, then fight out who is more right or left?

Please, please, give OUR party (unless yours is different) the respect and support it needs right now?

[Jackpine Radical]

26. First, I most certainly don't want this to end badly, and second,

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I see the Republicans as the sum and total cause of the approaching shipwreck. We should not give in to them and their insane tactics.

Here is a post from a couple of days ago that expresses my thought on the situation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023751265

[RiffRandell]

31. My name was on the rec list.

Glad we agree.

[Jackpine Radical]

33. I apparently wasn't very clear above.

I meant that the gang of Republican mutineers who grabbed control of the wheelhouse are doing dangerous, stupid and unconscionable things that have potentially disastrous consequences far beyond our national borders, and the whole world stands at risk of suffering due to their criminal recklessness.

[winter is coming]

30. They thought they could win it when they started, but things aren't going so well.

That they're now trying to minimize what happened by claiming it's not really a shutdown, just a reduction of nonessential personnel, that tells me that they know their actions aren't playing well. At this point, I think some of them would like to back gracefully out of this mess, while others are going to brazen it out.

[lanlady]

24. okay, I'll bite

The shutdown ends by Columbus Day, following pandemonium in money markets around the world.

The whole mess brings down the Speaker of the House. No more free whiskey for you, Boner.

A pissed-off Federal workforce delivers Terry McCauliffe a crushing victory over Cuccinelli in the Va. governor's race, sending a strong signal that the Tea-tards have run their course, at least here in the civilized world.

Dems pick up some seats in the House in 2014 but not enough for a majority. Stalemate in Congress continues.

2015: Machinery of government starts to gear up for 2016. More stalemate, nothing gets done.

2016: Presidential. Stalemate to the max, even less gets done in Congress.

2018: Tea-tard remnants demand that Pres. Hillary Clinton defund programs for immigrants, or else they will shut down the government.

[The Straight Story]

25. Notsodumbass predicted the following

Quatrain XLII:44

"An annoying orange fell to the ground in the year of two popes as the people of Syria rage in sickness from the skies. Two houses clamor, nation falters, the health of people in a balance, scales tilted by gold. A dark man in a foreign land will stand in a high place and the elephants will scatter, trampling the waters of the sea."

45
"Eyes to the sky closed in lust for gold, a fire burns unseen at seventy and seven degrees, old violence in the lands of Tripolitania falls silent and the trees are no longer visited. Old paper waxes hot with voices raging in the halls while warriors weep at stone tombs. Voices cry out, drowned by a flood in the air."

46
"In those days the battle will wane and the fruit tree's branches will be shaken. Oranges and nuts will spill to the ground, rotted from within. Some will still eat of them and enjoy their bitterness, the rest washed away as the sea tides."

[Jackpine Radical]

27. OMG, you do that well!

Now can you reverse-engineer it into 16th-century French?

[The Straight Story]

28. Well....google translate says:

"Une orange ennuyeux est tombé au sol dans l'année de deux papes comme le peuple de Syrie rage dans la maladie du ciel. Deux maisons clameur, nation faiblit, la santé des personnes dans une balance, échelles inclinées par l'or. Un homme sombre dans un pays étranger se tiendra dans un lieu élevé et les éléphants se disperser, piétinant les eaux de la mer ".

45
"Les yeux vers le ciel fermé en soif de l'or, un feu brûle invisible à soixante-dix et sept degrés, vieux violence dans les terres de la Tripolitaine se tait et les arbres ne sont plus visité. Vieux cires de papier chaud avec des voix qui font rage dans les couloirs tandis que les guerriers pleurer à tombeaux de pierre. voix crient, se sont noyées par une inondation en l'air ".

46
«En ces jours de la bataille s'estompera et les branches de l'arbre fruitier seront ébranlées. Oranges et les noix se répercutera sur le sol, pourri de l'intérieur. Certains vont encore manger d'entre eux et profiter de leur amertume, le reste emporté comme les marées de la mer. "

[pnwmom]

32. I believe the Rethugs will push us over the cliff and Obama

will pull the cords on the 14th Amendment parachute (the parachute he's not admitting he's wearing yet).

[RebelOne]

34. I read tarot cards, but haven't used them for quite a while.

Maybe I will check things out and see what the cards say.

[Jackpine Radical]

35. That would be interesting.

I have a weakness for cartomancy--and, a deep, dark secret--I once wrote a book on the Runes (published years ago by Thorsons).

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. I honestly have no idea

It just feels different from 17 years ago. It's more, radical. It almost feels like a coup

[1-Old-Man]

37. When the Market hits 12,000 and there are mega profits to be made it will end.

[bigwillq]

38. Americans will be screwed over. Again. (nt)