Why when we are standing in solidarity here on DU would people rec a shit stirring divisive bullshit

[Warren Stupidity]

drive by OP intended to do nothing except drive a wedge into that solidarity?

[JaneyVee]

1. MUST. PROVIDE. LINK. I'm curious.

[fadedrose]

5. Ask Warren if this is a clue...

I live in Michigan . . . is it Warren? or am I off-base?

[Warren Stupidity]

9. off by 58

[fadedrose]

12. Hmm, need some more thought.. nt

[morningfog]

39. Ha! No wonder I didn't know what you are talking about.

I've had that troll on hide for a long time. Surprised they are still here.

[Vanje]

41. I am surprised as well.

That troll is useless.

[MNBrewer]

57. Must be someone on my ignore list

[Warren DeMontague]

2. VOOOOO-Lare! Whoa-oh!

edited to add: This is in ref. to the shit-stirring, not you.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. indeed.

[Warren DeMontague]

68. I almost posted the video clip

but I'm not sure it would survive a jury.

[Old and In the Way]

16. i kow i've seen this, but i have a sudden need to see this again...

Kaufman, I believe. He forecast all of this vile shit. We're being led crazy by the craziness of the anti-American, anti-socialist anarchists that the Tea Party Republicans represent.

[geek tragedy]

4. Same reason some people post "why not delay Obamacare" and "shutdown isn't hurting anyone" threads

There be trolls.

[Warren Stupidity]

6. That is a pretty damning list of trolls.

[geek tragedy]

8. THey outnumber the kind you're complaining about especially if you include the

"Obama's gonna CAVE" trolls

[Warren Stupidity]

11. it is kind of like posting in a thread that one alerted on.

just sort of weird behavior.

[meow2u3]

17. Alert them as trolls and MIRT will deal with them

They're not real DUers.

[geek tragedy]

21. I agree. Trolls of different stripes are still trolls nt

[Skip Intro]

49. Sometimes you can tell a troll by his/her post-hide count.

Just sayin'.

High post-hide count is a result of the majority of DUers disagreeing so much with something another has said that they vote to hide it.

You know what I mean?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=144296&sub=trans

[geek tragedy]

56. We were just talking about you . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3756553

It is fascinating to watch. Nobody is getting hurt that I can see. Nobody is going to go without, as far as I can tell.

Why, it's practically a slimdown! Those head start students and cancer patients and furloughed workers are just a bunch of whiners!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=606333

A majority want it stopped or changed.

Why, John Boehner is representing the American people after all. Or, at least he's representing you,

[Skip Intro]

59. Wait. You've had 19 posts hidden in 90 days? NINETEEN?!

ZERO percent chance of serving on a jury?!

Man.

You know, I might be a harsh dose of reality sometimes, but I don't have any posts hidden.

Post hides are a logical measure, yes? Hide means you have been judged by your peers to be so far out of what is acceptable your post must be hidden, yes?

And you got 19 in 90 days?

Holy fuck.

I've never seen an active DUer with a ZERO per cent chance of serving on a jury.

I mean ZERO?!

Dayum. That ain't a ringing endorsement, gt... Not at all.

btw, who is "we?" doesn't look like anyone is talking to you but me.

[freshwest]

66. Pretty shocking stuff. I don't usually post on what I consider Metas anymore. Here we are back again

With DUers complaining about other DUers, instead of the topics of OPs.

This OP is what used to be called flame bait and I find the few I have seen in the last day or so complaining about people rehashing the past, more disruptive than those OPs that they are calling out.

Some of those OPs are about history, but they give no clear message to go forward. I have Rec'd them because they have some truth and are well thought out OPINION pieces. I don't have to agree with them to see good points.

But neither they nor this OP create the mood we are seeking right now, and I find this more disruptive than the OPs being fussed at here.

I don't care for stumbling upon mainstream media views touted here if they agree with the GOP and don't care about the people being hurt. That is what you just linked to, which I had not seen. It sounds exactly like what Hannity said, it's nearly word for word. It is disenhearting to see posted here at DU. One of the OPs was self-deleted to stop criticism, but the OP writer did not change it, and it was not a well-thought OP nor empathetic, IMO.

I am going to leave this thread because I am finding out some discouraging things about some people's views and am not sure what they are really saying.

I will not Rec this thread because it is a call-out. But if anyone who thinks this is a good use of your time, that you are refining the DU experience for the betterment of all, you must continue. I don't agree.

I'm much more concerned about people I know who are being hurt through, and by the fear, this shutdown is generating. And with what happens after October 17th and the fascists in the HoR violate the Good Faith & Credit Clause of the US Consitution.

RWNJs have declared that November 17th will be the day of their revolt to take Obama out of power. Now that does correspond with what would happen the day that the payments would actually stop.

If Obama takes measures to restore the Clause in order to support Constitutional government, there will be a rebellion. And as I have many times before, some of those infamous executive orders may have to be used. The ones the rightists have complained about in media to scare people, but will be needed to defend the country.

I don't want to see this go on and they are working as hard to bring martial law with the rightists promotion of unlimited and reckless gun use. Anyone who has paid attention knows that they will atempt to force a Constitional Convention in which as stated by Ryan, they will repeal the 14th amendment.

I urge anyone who does not know what that amendment did, as the Emanicipation Proclaimation and Civil War itself were insufficient to preserve the ideal of all men being created equal, then had to have many other amendments made, would know what the GOP has in store for us.

They are dividing up the country into little enclaves, and everything they can do to destroy democratic government. A student of history would recall things that Lincoln which would be called totalitarian today. But the rightists are pushing for it.

I am less concerned with DUers going after each other and not discussing the real issues, since talking about each other and calling a mob to do things to other DUers is not a real issue. We have serious things going on at this time, even though Hannity does not think so.

Fine, he's a millionaire. Most DUers are not and have empathy for their fellow DUers like Demotex and others like a2liberal who have just lost their jobs from this. Some comments have been ill advised.

I will be looking to see what to do in the event of the debt ceiling not being raised. As far as I know, the 14th has not been invoked recently and White House lawyers told Obama he could not use it in 2011 to force the GOP to raise the debt ceiling that December.

The continuing crisis being pushed on Americans is severe and desrructive. I'll leave this to those who feel this is a real issue. It is your right to do so. I may make a thread, a very plain one, asking what people know about what literally happens if we default. I believe it could end up with the UN troops that the rightists claim they don't want, but I think they really do, or they would work this out. That's just my take.

[muriel_volestrangler]

73. You recommended the flame thread this one is complaining about

You are being actively divisive on DU by doing that.

You have no right to call anything else on DU 'flame bait' when you take such actions. You are attacking Democrats.

[JDPriestly]

67. We, in California, love it. And we are a lot of the country.

We have been working for universal healthcare for years.

It's just a matter of human decency. Other developed countries have healthcare for all one way or another. We don't. That demonstrates a lack of human decency.

It is odd to me that so many Republicans claim to be pro-life but oppose the thing that more than any other, will save lives. Unbelievable.

I lived in several European countries, and enjoyed the single payer healthcare. It frees patients and doctors from financial fears, for the patient when he or she becomes ill or needs medical care, and for the doctor, when he treats a patient who may be indigent, unemployed or have no money.

And in my experience in Europe, those who want to spend a lot of money on healthcare and get a deluxe health insurance plan can do so. I think it will be the same way here.

Just give this healthcare law a chance. The law can be amended if people really, really don't like some aspect of it.

But all of us have a responsibility to care for the safety and security of our fellow Americans. And this health insurance bill is just one part of caring for the safety and security of all Americans.

Hey! We drive carefully. We don't speed in dangerous zones. We obey stoplights. We insure our cars. We keep our homes hooked up to public sewage systems or have an alternative that does not pollute the world. We send our children to school or educate them at home. We are a responsible people. Trying our best to make sure that our fellow Americans have affordable healthcare is just another sign that we are a responsible nation.

We are our brothers' keepers. And that we should be.

http://biblehub.com/genesis/4-9.htm

The blood of Americans who could have lived had they only had heatlhcare cries out from the earth.

I fully support the ACA.

[cui bono]

27. Is that different than alerting a post? n/t

[Scootaloo]

29. No, MIRT won't

And in fact, didn't.

Granted, my understanding is MIRT can't do much when someone has over a hundred posts... but I wonder about the admins as well, sometimes.

[valerief]

34. They're not even real people, in my book. nt

[JoeyT]

72. The difference is those trolls get scorn and derision.

The only "Why not delay Obamacare" thread I've seen so far got zero recs. (Other than the one about Manchin, the recs for which were obviously "People need to see this asshole" recs rather than "I agree with this man" recs)

The thread he's talking about got twenty recs so far, and entirely predictable ones, too. To the point most people could've guessed 90% of them without clicking on the link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10023770634&info=1#rec

[hrmjustin]

7. Oh I hate when I miss things. What did I miss?

[Fumesucker]

25. Do a DU search for Emotarian

That should lead you to the thread in question.

[pinboy3niner]

31. Thanks

I saw that thread listed, but haven't looked at it yet.

[pinboy3niner]

32. Oh, fuck! It's another "People's View" blog thread.

[Dragonfli]

33. Thanks, I have a feeling it is an anti-left emotional screed but not sure by whom or why.

My guess is a deaniacwhatever# post or whatever name Spamden is using these days.

[hrmjustin]

37. Thanks. Not surprised bby the author.

[a2liberal]

65. Wow

thanks, that is crazy. and here I was feeling like we were all finally standing together uniting around an issue.

[JHB]

10. And starting a thread calling attention to that helps solidarity... how?

It's small beans, Warren. Let it go.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Im actually curious why so many boggers thought that was worthy of a rec.

I'd like an honest answer.

[JHB]

23. After all the tit-fot-tat pie fights we've had on this site?

You can count on some people rec'ing a post from The Spandan Channel just for a few of the names it will tick off. Some even said as much. It's not as if that hasn't happened in the other direction. In pie fights everyone ends up with custard splashed somewhere.

Maybe some have other reasons, but most will revolve around those lines.

Frankly I thought it was encouraging that only 15. At least for today, that's reason enough to declare victory and go home.

[DevonRex]

71. I am curious why you have called out an entire group when actually

many of us did NOT rec that thread. Can you never resist the urge to point fingers at the Obama Group? Is it an obsession of yours or what? And you had the gall to speak of unity while doing this??

I don't appreciate it one bit. Another thing - some people in that thread revved it only after someone started a "list" of those who did so they could call them names later on. And funny thing, many people wouldn't have even seen the other thread if you hadn't started this one.

Great job you did for DU unity there.

[Fumesucker]

78. The whole "list of names that recced a thread" thing started not that long after DU3 was introduced

I had an OP up about the practice in the much lamented Meta some considerable time ago.

[DonViejo]

77. Send an e-mail to every DU'er that recommended the OP...

asking them why they recommended it. Then you can start your own OP comprised of their responses.

[Autumn]

14. That one should not even be responded to. It's a waste of

time. If all the posters in that thread would not give any response to it, it would fade away and be gone. You can't change its mind, you just enable the stirring by playing it's game.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. I disagree.

The overwhelmingly negative response to that crap was fine. But that is not what interests me, what I want to know is why so many of our "BOG" group thought that a divisive flamebait shit stirring troll was worthy of a rec.

[IveWornAHundredPants]

46. That's really not true.

You want Michigan to secede from the Democratic Union? There's only one way that'll happen: if the threads consistently get the same dozen cheerleading responses and then die. That type don't need to be told they're talking shit, they already know that. That's why they post it.

As for the recs from halfway sane people (if that happened), I don't really know.

[Rex]

69. Why do they have so many people blocked from that forum?

I put a lot of them on ignore and DU3 is so much easier on the eyes.

[Motown_Johnny]

15. Trolls

[Cerridwen]

19. Because they can.

Because they can and because they get away with it.

In that thread I noticed references to omc and to lozoccollo who also did what they did because they could during the old mod system. Four years for omc. How many was is for lozo?

Now we have a jury system that allows filth so long as the filth is stated politely and doesn't obviously contradict the Terms of Service. Well, not obviously unless you are prone to being "thin skinned." Ah, yes, "thin skinned," the bullies definition of how dare you take offense at that loathsome thing I just said.

You'll also notice in that thread that only two (at the time I checked) of those who recc'd the thread actually responded to the thread.

Cowards all.

[bobduca]

61. ...

19 members have recommended this thread (displayed in chronological order):

greatauntoftriplets mac56 freshwest bluestate10 Cha sheshe2 Liberal_Stalwart71 regnaDkciN Tarheel_Dem shenmue hwmnbn sagat 90-percent SidDithers msanthrope RosaLuxemburg treestar gulliver flamingdem

[Fumesucker]

20. It's been obvious for some time now how a troll can get an instant adoring fan club on DU

[Egnever]

54. Let me guess

By bashing Obama?

[Fumesucker]

60. Fuck Nader!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=127001

[cui bono]

22. They would and they have. And a jury left it standing.

Blech.

[pa28]

24. I love threads like that.

Look at the reccers and use it to build your jury blacklist. Very handy.

[frylock]

30. brilliant!

[IveWornAHundredPants]

26. I guess my question is

why would anyone - any non-troll, that is - respond to crap like that? Let the creeps circle-jerk themselves and then let the thread sink to the depths and die of loneliness, as it deserves to. I know there's a real impulse to answer flamebait, but it really is better to just walk away shaking your head.

[Dragonfli]

28. Another OP by the progressive hating Spamden? That guy should just post pro right rants rather than

emotion based left hatred. He belongs here as much as Alex Jones and his out of context blog is just insulting to non right wingers.

I guess I will have to look for it, since it is your little secret.... whatever it was.

[tkmorris]

35. Because they share that aim

There's no need to over-complicate things. They are doing exactly what they appear to be doing.

[LostOne4Ever]

36. I don't like ignoring other DUers

But there are some who simply want to piss off other people. Its best to ignore/trash them than risk one's blood pressure. I simply don't read any posts by that poster in particular.

[pinboy3niner]

38. At some point, an obsession with posting that crap here becomes spamming. nt

[LostOne4Ever]

43. Definitely! (nt)

[morningfog]

51. Especially when they are zombie, return trolls.

[morningfog]

40. Trolling doing what trolls do. Trolling the flame bait chub throught the waters.

Sad hobby some have.

[Warpy]

42. Everybody who replied is onto his bullshit

He posts his blog and then runs away.

I wish the admins. would catch a clue and ban his ass.

"Democrat," my flabby old ass.

[Zorra]

44. When you leave the door of the tent wide open, you never know what's gonna crawl in. nt

[treestar]

45. that has been happening since Nov. 9 2008

Starting early with Rick Warren picked for the invocation. The stimulus, Obama's first thing, was not big enough. Or was a gift to the banksters. This has been going on for 5 1/2 years now and it's insulting to pretend it was not.

The ACA was not good enough, DADT was not repealed fast enough, increasing troops in Afghanistan was too much and a long history up to and including the NSA. We have always had to defend the Democrats here, ever since the day after the 2008 election. Those are the people who said they were not going to vote in 2010, were not going to donate or campaign, because of the things I just mentioned. They have a lot of nerve calling anyone else divisive.

[rug]

47. So you agree the "emotarian" left is responsible for the shutdown.

[Dragonfli]

58. Egotarians are experts on "emotarians" so they would know.

Thanks for revealing earlier the appropriate name for these experts.

I am sure the egotarians know for a FACT111!!11 that progressives are causing the shutdown and are also properly suspected to have played a role in most child molestation cases since 1547, the truth is out there bro!

[Fumesucker]

48. Rick Warren was and is a homophobic bigot, the stimulus was indeed too small

And how are things working out in Afghanistan five years down the road, eh?

Obama's war in Afghanistan is longer than the entire US involvement in WWII at this point.

[joshcryer]

55. yep voter suppression

[freshwest]

70. True. And people are without work, food and medical care. Threads are not the issue for them.

Three DUers been badly hurt, here are just three of several hurting DUers:

Demotex
a2liberal
grantcart

If the Teaterrorists follow the demands of Freedom Works today, and refuse to raise the debt ceiling on October 17th. the people who are sitting pretty now will not be. Some are already suffering, and here is one item in a list of more who will suffer then:

41. What will happen to veterans receiving compensation for service- or combat-related wounds and injuries? The Department of Veterans Affairs said if the shutdown continues into late October, it will run out of money for compensation and pension checks to more than 3.6 million veterans who rely on the money to support themselves.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/29/questions-and-answers-about-the-shutdown/2888419/

Link is courtesy of a post by Creek Dog.

Who will remember these threads with complaints about other DUers?

I don't think it will matter.

[hrmjustin]

50. There needs to be a discusion on whether the people's view is appropriate for DU. People should go

to ATA and ask skinner.

[Egnever]

52. So your answer is to start a shit stirring thread?

[OmahaBlueDog]

53. Warren, I like and respect your posts

But if you are going to post a call out thread, post a callout thread. Name names. Provide links.

Take it from my friend, Tuco...

[Deep13]

62. Why is it important for a website's users to pretend to have the same opinion?

Also, what on Earth are you talking about?

[JI7]

63. same reason you made this thread ?

[grantcart]

64. Well this is awkward.

K and R

[msanthrope]

74. Warren, I recc'd it because someone decided to make the recs an issue.

I'm going to keep that particular post handy, for when someone complains about McCarthyism or Stasi!!

[Puzzledtraveller]

75. The mistake is in thinking we ever have solidarity.

[Orsino]

76. Because solidarity doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

Lockstep is for that other site. Our political commonalities mean that shit-stirring doesn't work so well over here, and after all, over here is just a discussion board--not party headquarters.

DU is not being hijacked, or not any more than usual.