The New Republican Strategy ?

[kentuck]

Their plan is to keep the government closed until the debt limit vote comes due. That should be sometime around the middle of this month.

In the meantime, they will pass piecemeal legislation to open parks and national landmarks, in order not to anger too many voters.

They know that Democrats and the President respect government more than they do. In the meantime, they will call this a government "slowdown", not a "shutdown".

They believe that if they threaten to not increase the debt limit, the Democrats will finally break. They believe they can still get concessions from the Democrats and the President. They have not given up on their efforts to repeal Obamacare and the debt limit vote will give them one more opportunity.

Because of the anger and because of the lack of leadership, the Republicans will not vote to stop the government shutdown anytime soon. This shutdown is only the warm-up until the main event.

Get your hotdogs and popcorn because this is going to be a long battle.

** This is just my opinion. Give it as much weight as you deem worthy.**

[Laelth]

1. Just your opinion?

You may be right, of course, but I wondered if you had a source for this prediction.



-Laelth

[gordianot]

4. Check with the NSA would be willing to bet they have proof.

[gordianot]

2. Exactly, this was all planned well in advance.

Who blinks first loses.

[bunnies]

3. The Senate wont pass the piecemeal crap, though.

Its just going to keep spanking the House for its little tantrum. As it should.

[TwilightGardener]

5. Refuse the piecemeal approach. That was their plan all along. Everyone suffers--end of story.

The military and essential personnel have been exempted--that's enough.

[kentuck]

6. Should they refuse to open the parks?

Tough call. I would be inclined to vote with them one time and then, if something else came up that they needed to "piecemeal", I would point out who is calling the shots on the shutdown? They can open it anytime they want...

[TwilightGardener]

21. Yes. Parks aren't essential. People want to vote for Repubs, this is what they get.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

7. The senate won't take up their piecemeal legislation

So they are fucked.

[kentuck]

8. Are you sure of that?

??

[Pretzel_Warrior]

9. Around 99% sure. It is a sure loser.

It takes pressure off of GOP during shutdown.

[kentuck]

10. Should Democrats point out who has the key to open the parks and memorials?

Could they make that point?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

11. Because parks, memorials, and museums are among most visible

Those clearly need to be a part of the whole CR package. Otherwise GOP has no incentive to reopen other parts of government.

Aside from that, GOP are batshit crazy and being led along by a Cuban-Canadian nutjob, Cruz. No conference and no compromise. Put senate CR to up or down vote. That is all.

[kentuck]

12. The Governor of Arizona was angry that the Grand Canyon was closed...

People were complaining that they could not see the Canyon as they had planned. Repubs did not want these people angry at them.

So, what you are saying, it would be OK if they angry at the Democrats??

[Pretzel_Warrior]

14. It would still be GOP failing to pass a full CR

Even if they do pass small CR bills to only cover things like national parks. Americans will be told repeatedly by PBO and Dems that GOP is engaged in more game playing.

Result--Repubs will still be blamed when Jimmy can't go to the Smithsonian.

[kentuck]

16. But Jimmy could go to the Smithsonian if...

the Democrats do not block the vote?? I don't understand your logic?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

18. pretty obvious logic.

this all rests with Repukes not following through on agreed compromise budget number and refusing to pass a clean, unfucked with full CR. Jimmy may not understand, but his dad and mom might. Even if they are rethugs themselves they might understand if you break it down into small words.

[Bandit]

13. Grasping at straws... Neither the Senate nor Obama will accept piecemeal legislation.

It will be a clean CR or nothing....

[kentuck]

15. Do you think that would be the best strategy - to not open the parks and memorials?

Repubs could say they wanted to open up Grand Canyon for the tourists but the Democrats shut it down, just like they shut down the government? Is that the argument that we would like to give the Repubs?

Or the Democrats could show the American people who was holding the key to the government "shutdown" by pointing out who suggested opening the parks? And that if they really wanted, they could also stop the government shutdown... All they have to do is ask, so long as they put their guns back in their holsters. America does not like to have guns pointed at her head...

[Bandit]

17. If you give one inch they will want to take ten miles

Accept ONLY a clean CR and then let's talk about Budget matters....This is not the time or the method to do the business of the government. Fund the Government for the next two months and then begin the Negotiations..Don't negotiate with a gun to your head.

[kentuck]

20. "Don't negotiate with a gun to your head."

I would agree with that. Thanks!

I just think this battle is far from over.

[Hutzpa]

19. Republicans cannot be trusted

and they have shown that on numerous occasions.

They're good at reneging on deals so how do you trust a party that
constantly renege on deals?