Personal impact of government shutdown on DU.

[Starry Messenger]

I've seen some posts about the personal impact this partisan shutdown is having on DUers and their family. Can we get a picture of the overall impact here?

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	My job is being furloughed, this sucks.
	1 (3%)
	I'm in essential services and now working for no pay.
	0 (0%)
	A public program I rely on is being stopped or shortly coming to an end.
	0 (0%)
	Family members with gov't jobs are being furloughed.
	7 (24%)
	Family members are in essential services and now working for no pay.
	1 (3%)
	Family members who rely on public programs are having this service stopped or ended soon.
	1 (3%)
	This shutdown does not affect me much materially.
	19 (66%)
	0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[TBF]

1. With an extended shutdown I think my dad would be effected -

he gets checks from the Dept. of Defense and Social Security monthly (100% disabled war veteran), but it looks like the VA hospitals will remain open so his ongoing care shouldn't be affected. He doesn't live paycheck to paycheck as some of the Vets do. I'm sure there are many who could be hurt if this goes on for awhile.

Frankly I don't think Congress should be getting their checks either if folks like Veterans are affected.

[TBF]

3. I'm sure he'll get his checks this month -

the SS Disability check is not that big. He also has a modest inheritance and he's tight as anything - always has money in the bank. I think he'll be ok. I worry about the younger vets though - and other government workers who are lower income.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. This month yes, they already went out

[dixiegrrrrl]

39. I thought Soc. Sec. payments came on a Wed.

and came by direct deposit, that actual checks were phased out Jan. of this year.
What did I miss?

[Starry Messenger]

6. USA today has a good chart about what is affected.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/01/government-shutdown-obama-open-closed/2900043/

I totally agree about Congress. I just read that there was an act passed in the 90's that prevents Congress from getting a pay hit when they do this. Yet, WIC is getting shutdown.

[question everything]

4. It does not affect most Americans personally because this is not a real shut down

Delay flights, shut down the FAA, FDA, CDC. Stop Social Security, Disability and Food Stamps and then you will see citizens screaming bloody murder. No doubt, there are many among Cruz constituents who consider their food stamps and their disability checks their birth right. Stop them and then you will see how quickly we get the government operational again.

The teabaggers do want anarchy. They don't care about the consequences of shutting down the government. And the way it happens now, they may be proven right. You see? Nothing happens. We don't need a government. Not such a "bloated" one. But there are a lot more people depending on government programs, even if they do not realize that. Remember during the 2009 debate when someone demanded that his Medicare not be touched by the government?

[Starry Messenger]

7. WIC and other programs are taking a hit.

700,000 to 1.2 million jobs are being affected. That's pretty consequential. I've ready estimates that the GDP will also take a hit.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-27/shutdown-would-shave-fourth-quarter-u-s-growth-as-much-as-1-4-.html

"A shutdown of the U.S. government would reduce fourth-quarter economic growth by as much as 1.4 percentage points depending on its length, economists say, as government workers from park rangers to telephone receptionists are furloughed.

Mark Zandi of Moody’s Analytics Inc. estimates a three-to-four week shutdown would cut growth by 1.4 points. Zandi projects a 2.5 percent annualized pace of fourth-quarter growth without a shutdown. A two-week shutdown starting Oct. 1 could cut growth by 0.3 percentage point to a 2.3 percent rate, according to St. Louis-based Macroeconomic Advisers LLC."

[Marrah_G]

5. Not a family member, but a friend's husband is now working without pay

She is freaking out that they might lose the house if this goes on for months. I tried to calm her some by telling her the longest one only lasted 3 weeks.

[Starry Messenger]

9. It's so wrong that people have to work without pay, when Congress gets paid.

Hopefully this won't go for three weeks. I have family being furloughed, her mom is in ill health. This is very stressful.

[madville]

11. He shouldn't be working if he is furloughed

He could actually get in trouble for working. The law specifically forbids furloughed workers from working while in a non-pay/non-duty status. I'm not even going to log in to my government email while this is happening.

I got my furlough notice early this morning, pulled this from it:

"During the furlough period, you will be in nonpay, nonduty status. You will not be permitted to serve as an unpaid volunteer, this means you cannot work, even remotely, and must remain away from your work place unless and until recalled. Failure to follow this policy may result in a violation of law and may result in penalties.

[Starry Messenger]

13. Two categories:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/30/absolutely-everything-you-need-to-know-about-how-the-government-shutdown-will-work/

"Does a shutdown mean everyone who works for the federal government has to go home?

Not exactly. The laws and regulations governing shutdowns separate federal workers into "essential" and "non-essential." (Actually, the preferred term nowadays is "excepted" and "non-excepted." This was tweaked in 1995 because "non-essential" seemed a bit hurtful. But we'll keep things simple.)

The Office of Management and Budget recently ordered managers at all federal agencies to conduct reviews to see which of their employees fall into each of these two categories. If a shutdown hits, the essential workers stick around, albeit without pay. The non-essential workers have to go home after a half-day of preparing to close shop."

[madville]

15. The essential workers will get paid

They are not working "without pay". If the shutdown was to go longer than two weeks it's possible they may see a paycheck delay but they would for sure get paid for time worked once the government is funded again.

There is no guarantee non-essential workers will get back pay for furlough time, even though they have every time it has happened before.

[Starry Messenger]

21. I'm sorry you are being furloughed, madville.

Thanks for clearing that up about the difference.

Not getting paid or not getting paid on time are both very stressful and shouldn't be happening.

[Marrah_G]

22. That is not what his work is being told.

I'm going to do some googling to see what I can find.

[Marrah_G]

18. He works doing cargo inspections.

He is essential personnel, not being paid. He is not furloughed.

[madville]

25. He will get paid then

His next paycheck on 11OCT could possibly be delayed if the shutdown extends past then (doubtful). At the very least he will get paid when they fund the government. Essential workers clocking hours will get paid.

[Marrah_G]

26. I hope you are right

But that is not what they are being told at work.

[dixiegrrrrl]

43. I have just read that workers actually might get retroactive pay

for the time they are furloughed.

In past shutdowns, Congress has approved retroactive back pay for employees furloughed by government shutdowns.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304373104579107480729687014.html

[dipsydoodle]

8. Hardly likely to affect me materially

same I guess as everyone else in the UK.

[G_j]

10. other, it effects the economy of our entire state

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/09/30/3243532/shutdown-could-hurt-nc-tourism.html

[Starry Messenger]

12. I hear that, Yosemite is closed today on its 150th anniversary.

I was trying to keep the poll narrow, but the broader economic affects are unavoidable.

[Ohio Joe]

14. 4 & 6

For both friends and family

At least most of them know the fault of this lays squarely with the repugs.

[Starry Messenger]

17. Sorry about that, Ohio Joe

I saw some GOP ahole on Chris Hayes last night trying to justify this bullshit. It made no sense even by their limited standards.

[Gormy Cuss]

16. Can't chose one option -- family members in all three categories.

In the '95-'96 shutdowns my income stopped because I was a contractor working mostly for Federal agencies. It was an unpleasant holiday gift from Congress. The worst of it was there was no sense of how long it would take to resolve and thus it was really hard to budget or find alternative work because I was contractually obligated to be available as soon as the shutdowns were over.

[Starry Messenger]

19. That sucks, Gormy.

The part about not being able to work while furloughed is insane. I read another article that said there are some ethics clauses that bar some employees from working other jobs during this time, too.

I don't know if people outside the public sector appreciate how much bs government workers put up with.

[Gormy Cuss]

23. People who try to minimize the effect clearly have no idea how far-reaching it is.

After those '95--'96 shutdowns work was hell for six months because we had to make up for lost time on time-sensitive deadlines and we weren't allowed to do it by putting in overtime (not allowed under the contract) and the prime contractor couldn't hire temp workers fast enough to make a difference.

Meanwhile, no one in Congress was inconvenienced one iota.

[Starry Messenger]

24. That's very very true.

It's not like the work just goes away.

People take for granted the excellent work and service provided by the government workers. There are many far-reaching effects that won't manifest themselves right away.

[hobbit709]

20. I refilled all my prescriptions with the VA 3 weeks ago.

Had my semiannual with the doctor a month ago. So I have at least 2 months worth of meds, etc. My SS isn't affected. But I'm luckier than a lot of people.

[TBF]

55. Folks are saying the VA hositals and benefits are ok -

that was important to me too. My dad is a veteran and relies greatly on the hospital for all his medical needs (he is 100% disabled war veteran).

[yesphan]

27. "This shutdown does not affect me much materially."

Yet.

[Starry Messenger]

28. I admit that one was kind of sarcastic.

I think the effects will be more far-reaching than people perhaps know right now.

[NM_Birder]

29. I agree....

I don't want to sound sarcastic either but it really doesn't affect me personally just yet. I am involved in construction projects on KAFB and LANL that will not be affected by the shut down, not really things that can be shut down without creating serious problems down stream.

But............. we'll all feel the effects of this sooner or later.

[Starry Messenger]

30. Down stream is how I think of it too.

The entire ecology of our support system feels things like this when one part is damaged.

[freshwest]

81. It's affecting people I know and it's tearing their lives apart.

Fortunately most people I am related to are covered under things are not going to be shut down.

My concern is for those millions who have done so much to make America a better place to live and my life and that of others will be much worse for it as they leave public service.

They've been the whipping post for years and it hurt their pride and belief in this country. Not only were they messed with, but people who needed their help are being left out to dry or die. It strikes at core values.

Now they will be different people. I'm already seeing the difference and it was all deliberately perpetrated by the Teapubicans to scatter those who believe in the Commons and lending a helping hand and destroy the living knowledge they have within them.

[BlueCheese]

31. I have friends who are federal employees.

They can take the hit and aren't worried. I would not be surprised if they get some back pay when this is over.

I find it ironic that today's Google doodle is about Yosemite's opening, which is closed.

[XemaSab]

32. My job has hella federal contracts

[Gothmog]

33. The SEC is shut down

Back in the 1996 shutdown, a SEC reviewer actually faxed me comments to a S-4 exchange offer during the shutdown from his home. Anyone with SEC registration statements or offerings pending will be put on hold and this includes Twitter.

[Starry Messenger]

34. Wow, yikes.

Didn't even think of that. That can have far-reaching effects even if delayed for a few days, I imagine?

[Gothmog]

44. This can be serious

There are several types of registration statements can not go effective without SEC approval and in most offerings it is customary for the issuer and issuer counsel to state that no stop orders have been issue by the SEC. That cannot happen now.

The Twitter S-1 is being reviewed by the SEC on a confidential basis due to the JOBS Act. We may see this registration statement until the SEC is back in business.

[Starry Messenger]

47. Thank you, I'm learning a lot from DUers today.

I live in Silicon Valley and I know people out here were hopeful about the Twitter offering getting off to a better start than what happened with Facebook. Sounds like it's going to be hard to catch a break there.

[Gothmog]

83. I was wrong

Unlike 1995, the SEC is not closed right now. The sec had money leftover from the prior fiscal year and can keep open for a couple of weeks

[MoonRiver]

35. I was concerned about the Stock Market, but it is doing ok.

Other than that no worries, except emotional rage about teacrazies pulling this stunt.

[Starry Messenger]

36. It is enraging.

This is a very childish and horrifying stunt.

[2naSalit]

37. No option for me to check on this poll

I am seeking government employment again and all hiring has been frozen so I won't even find out about the applications submitted for which closing dates were this week or in the near future until this blows over. Also, the community nearest me is going into freakout mode since the NPs and NFs that I live near (am surrounded by) are kicking out all the campers this morning. Since I am surrounded by public lands, all services, including pullouts and rest areas along the highways that pass through them, are closed.

Not only that but all those folks who graze their cattle at subsidized rates on the public lands may well turn out far more livestock than is allowed while the shutdown is in effect, like they did last time, which also means serious erosion and other damage that will take years for the landscape to recover from... all because there's nobody there to stop the cattlefolk from doing it.

I suppose that the hunting/fishing licenses and permits will be put on hold as well.

Personal impact... can't get hired either by the gov't or in the private sector in my area because the private sector is dependent upon the NPs and NFs in the area, which are now closed and essentially evacuated.

[Starry Messenger]

38. Thank you for checking in.

I probably should have included an "other" option, I didn't have a clear picture of the scope of different situations. I'm sorry your hiring situation is in bleak limbo now.

I heard about campers being kicked out today from the parks and forests.

I didn't know about cattle being grazed on public lands for subsidized rates. Are these small cattle ranches or large companies?

[2naSalit]

42. Both.

It seems that whenever a chance for anarchy in the woods ensues, all who can will take advantage of it.

Obviously closures of the public lands will be more effective at chokepoints. These are more common in national parks and national wildlife refuges than national forests or BLM administered lands. National park and forest closures will have economic consequences to nearby communities. In addition to closures, the public employees will not be paid. While some proponents of a shutdown have dismissed this as “no big deal if the Washington Monument is closed,” many understand that the public lands are a substantial portion of the Western United States.

In addition to closures to the public, permits for various public land activities will not be issued during the shutdown. For example, the Bureau of Land Management will not be able to process new oil and gas permits.

Here is the complete introduction to the BLM’s shutdown rules. The rules for other agencies might be found on-line.

General: In the event that Congress is unable to enact appropriations for FY 2014 or a continuing resolution, essentially all activities of the BLM will be halted with the exception of law enforcement and emergency response functions. Without appropriated funds, there is no authority to incur obligations, including obligations for salaries, except in situations involving orderly shutdown of the bureau or to protect life and property. In the event that a shutdown
occurs, the Department will notify bureaus to begin an orderly shutdown of unfunded functions. This will require the furlough of a majority of BLM employees. Voluntary services from employees will not be accepted. (emphasis ours)

The last government shutdown took place Nov. 14-19, 1995 and Dec. 16-Jan. 6, 1996. It was President Clinton versus the Republican congress. Eventually the President won after public opinion turned on the Republicans, especially Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

It is an open question how much anarchy will prevail on the public lands. During the 1995-6 shutdown, the Western Watersheds Project has learned that in some areas cattle operators immediately turned their livestock out on public lands for an illegal helping of public forage.

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013/09/30/shutdown-public-lands/

[Starry Messenger]

45. You have to wonder how many of those taking a bigger helping of a public resource

think the ACA is socialism and support the Tea Party shutdown of the government.

I know very little about public land management, so thank you for taking the time to explain this.

[2naSalit]

49. You're quite welcome

Another thing, I just discussed with a friend who plays the stock market, is happening. Last night the market was tanking but, as I told my friend who was commenting on how it's skyrocketing this morning, the slump last night was ll for show. Remember, these "players" are all the same pukes who fought for Citizens United and funded the POSs who caused this shutdown so...

It all sucks. I suspect that this is how democracies die. I wonder how much longer ours will last since the historical lifespan of a democracy is approximately 200 years...

[Starry Messenger]

52. I'm hoping we have a sea change and get mobilized in 2014 over this

and flip the Congress. A girl can dream anyway! We are certainly coming to an end of a cycle though, for sure.

[2naSalit]

56. I'm hoping for

an immediate and overwhelming public demand for their immediate removal from office, that's my admitted dream.

I have to get some chores done, like get some more firewood cut and indoors since nights are getting cold up here at 7,000 ft.!

[Starry Messenger]

58. I like your dream too!

Stay warm, and thanks again for the info!

[Liberalynn]

41. Shut Down does not impact me personally

but if the debt ceiling is not raised I have heard SS and Medicare payments may be delayed. I am sorry for the people it does immediately impact and so ticked at the Pukers each and every one of them.

[Dawgs]

46. My company has already been affected.

Cities and local governments have stopped buying our products because of the shutdown.

[Starry Messenger]

48. I'm very sorry to hear that, Dawgs.

I hope the GOP blinks soon and ends this stunt they've enacted. So many people will be hurting quickly.

[Dawgs]

50. Thanks.

[Blue_In_AK]

51. I'm not affected much personally unless this starts impacting social security payouts.

If it continues any length of time, it'll have a pretty negative effect on Alaska. I think I read this morning that this state has the third most federal employees of any state in the union as a proportion of our total work force.

http://www.adn.com/2013/09/30/3103435/shutdown-in-alaska-could-close.html

[Starry Messenger]

53. That makes sense, though I had no idea it was that high.

"National park buildings and facilities will be closed, according to the National Park Service. Some fall wildlife research will be canceled, says the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Air crash investigators in Alaska could be directed to stay home, says the National Transportation Safety Board, an arm of Congress.

Even preschoolers may be affected. Head Start centers that serve 1,761 Alaska children will be forced to close, according to the office of U.S. Sen. Mark Begich.

In all, some 13,000 federal employees in Alaska could face a furlough, according to Begich.

But without knowing how long furloughs will last, it's impossible to gauge what the shutdown will do to Alaska's economy, said Dan Robinson, chief of research and analysis for the state Department of Labor."


Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2013/09/30/3103435/shutdown-in-alaska-could-close.html#storylink=cpy

That makes me sick about the pre-schoolers too. And then that affects the families who then have to find other care options for their little ones.

[Blue_In_AK]

77. The fact that we have so many federal employees here

explains why we "get" so many federal dollars. Sometimes people imply that Alaskans are freeloaders because so many federal dollars come our way, but this is why. Not to mention the fact that 60% of the land up here is under federal control...national parks, national forests, military bases, etc.

[BeeBee]

54. I work in a business where we have to get label approval from the government.

The bureau that takes care of that is shut down and can delay product releases.

[Starry Messenger]

57. BeeBee, that sucks.

Thank you for the work you do. So many things I didn't think of when creating this poll.

[BeeBee]

66. Luckily I only have one label pending that's not urgent right now. Luckily,

I got approval on Monday for the one urgent one I had!

[TygrBright]

59. I live in a state whose economy will tank bigtime if this goes on...

...for any length of time.

Federal employees, and even moreso, Federal contractors represent the largest sector of New Mexico's economy.

So, a hearty "FUCK YOU!" to the Greedy Oligarch Panderers.

disgustedly,
Bright

[Zorra]

60. Other: I am disturbed that ignorant, malicious fascist terrorists have the capability to shut down

the government for nefarious reasons.

[TygrBright]

63. Thank you, Zorra! I wish I could rec your reply post. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

65. I agree with Tygr.

Next time I'll wait until I've had coffee to create a poll. I don't do them very often. I was so pissed reading my family member's plight on Facebook, I was only thinking of the immediate job situation.

This capability to shut down the government should be taken away, I can't think of a single positive purpose it could ever serve and it is totally undemocratic.

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. Other

we are military retirees, so this lasts over a month next month no pension.

My sis is a federal employee and her husband is a retiree. No other source of any income.

[Starry Messenger]

69. That is very scary nadin.

Even delays are heartbreaking.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. I know my mom will give her a hand

But that is souring her completely

[ProSense]

64. Even with the

limits of the choices in the OP poll, extrapolate and this shutdown will likely impact about one in three Americans directly or indirectly.

Everything You Need To Know About The Government Shutdown

By Annie-Rose Strasser

<....>

Who’s Affected

Everyone will be affected by the shutdown in some way. In terms of direct impact, federal employees — about 800,000 of them who aren’t considered “essential personnel” — will have it worst, since they’re not able to work or get paid during a shutdown. For some perspective, 97 percent of NASA and 94 percent of the Environmental Protection Agency are considered nonessential. Several other programs will also bear the brunt of the shutdown. Here’s ThinkProgress’s list from earlier in the week:

FINANCIAL SERVICES. The Small Business Administration will stop making loans, federal home loan guarantees will likely go on hold, and students applying for financial aid could also see delays and backlogs in applications.

HEALTH CARE. The National Institutes of Health will stop accepting new patients and delay or stop clinical trials. Medicare and the Veterans administration will continue paying out benefits, but new filers could face delays and doctors and hospitals may also have to wait for reimbursements.

<...>

DISASTER RELIEF. In preparation for a potential shutdown, the Utah National Guard is holding off on sending a team to help rebuild areas in Colorado devastated by massive floods last week. More National Guard engineers are desperately needed to repair major roads and bridges in Colorado. Roughly 240 Colorado National Guardsmen currently working on flood missions are also in danger of losing funding.

NUTRITION FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Though food stamps will still be available in the event of a shutdown, the Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) nutrition program, a service meant to help new and expecting mothers and their young children get nutritious foods, will not. If a shutdown lasts for more than a few days, the roughly 9 million Americans who rely on WIC could see their assistance dry up, leaving them food-insecure.

- more -

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/10/01/2706621/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-government-shutdown/

Jan Brewer Unsure If Grand Canyon Is A Shutdown 'Priority' For Arizona...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023758845

A failure for the ages (Boehner)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023758956

The nine most painful impacts of a government shutdown

By Brad Plumer

1) More than 2 million federal workers will go without pay indefinitely — and many of them might never get repaid.
<...>

2) Millions of veterans may not receive benefits if the shutdown lasts more than two weeks.
<...>

3) The CDC will halt its flu program just as flu season gets underway.
<...>

4) Some food-safety operations would cease.
<...>

5) Nutritional programs for women, infants and children could cease after a week.
<...>

6) Financing for small businesses could be hampered.
<...>

7) The tourist trade would take a hit.
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8) Head Start programs for hundreds of kids will slowly start closing.
<...>

9) Disability benefits could be interrupted.
<...>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/01/the-nine-most-painful-consequences-of-a-government-shutdown/

Screw 'em,

Love,

The I-Got-Mine Caucus.

Poll Indicates GOP Has Been Deeply Damaged By Shutdown Fight
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023758198

[tortie]

67. It has not affected any in my family yet

But I have a niece that works with the WIC program in my county. I just heard that they estimate they are OK for 9 days, if the shutdown goes on longer than that, she will be affected.

[Starry Messenger]

68. Thanks for the link to the poll!

I was looking for something to say if this had damaged the GOP in the polls. The Congress critter on Chris Hayes last night made it sound like he had the wind at his back. I knew he was lying, but it always helps to see just by how much:

"In fact, the latest survey from Quinnipiac University contains a ton of bad news for the GOP. For starters, 72 percent of Americans said they are opposed to shutting down the government in an effort to block implemntation of the health care law. A poll last week also showed a wide majority opposed to shutting down the government over Obamacare.

The federal government shut down for the first time since 1996 on Tuesday morning amid Republican-led efforts to include policy concessions on the health care law in must-pass bills to fund the government.

While Quinnipiac's poll showed that the Affordable Care Act remains polarizing — 45 percent support it while 47 percent are opposed — 58 percent said they are opposed to Congress cutting off funding for the law. Seventy-four percent said they disapprove of congressional Republicans while only 17 percent said they approve — their lowest score ever in Quinnipiac's polling."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-indicates-gop-has-been-deeply-damaged-by-shutdown-fight

In the end, we're all affected by hurts to vulnerable sectors. Our economy is "trickle-up". This is really economic war, with hundreds of thousands of peoples' ability to support themselves and their families under attack.

[SalviaBlue]

70. The small business I work for did some contract work

for a gov agency. It was a large job that equals about one months worth of income for us. We submitted our invoice a couple of weeks ago and were told today (by our contact, who is now furloughed) that we would not be paid until this is over. I told my Republican boss to call his congressman

[Starry Messenger]

71. Oh no SalviaBlue!

That is terrible news. I hope your Republican boss does a little reflecting today. Thank you for your hard work.

[SalviaBlue]

72. He can cover it until he gets paid, so no real damage at this point.

I try not to have political discussions with him but he said "its no way to run a business" to which I responded "its not a business," then I zipped my lips.

[Starry Messenger]

75. I have a Republican dad.

Say no more, I get it. o.O

[kestrel91316]

73. It doesn't affect me - other than in that it harms many of my clients financially, and that has

an impact on my business income.

[YoungDemCA]

76. This will impact almost everyone, to one extent or another....

Here's a good article on the impact it will have on the Bay Area.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/NASA-Ames-in-Moffett-Field-Faces-Possible-Shutdown-225832791.html

I have a friend who works at NASA Ames Resarch Center, FWIW.

[steve2470]

78. so far it does not affect me but I feel very bad for those it does nt

[Starry Messenger]

80. +1

[johnp3907]

79. "Pass," for now.

I'm in wait and see mode.

[sakabatou]

82. Unsure

[B Calm]

84. Depends on the market place.