Ok, my uncle posted this on FB, and I want to refute it

[LaydeeBug]

because nerves are running raw with this shut down and I don't want to back down....this man didn't know the difference between the debt and the deficit a week ago. He tried to call it a liberal conspiracy. Now that he HAS found it, this is what he comes up with:


(start quote)

The Liberal Philosophy is imploding upon itself. A Philosophy of sharing, has been convoluted into a system of "gimme". Since everyone is well aware that our deficit, which has been cut in half still results in the debt growing, this means that future generations, people not even born yet, owe money to the federal government at birth. Failure to consider a budget, shows the disdain of financial constraint in lieu of agenda. Today's Liberal has become a give it to me now philosophy, with little concern of who is left paying the debt. This of course, results in millions and millions of Americans languishing their entire life in debt, unable taste any part of what we used to call the American Dream. To bring back this once wonderful philosophy of caring and sharing, put that Philosophy on a Budget.

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[n2doc]

1. Is he on Social Security?

Most of the Debt is due to military and Security spending, on wars with countries that never attacked us, and from subsidies to agribiz and big oil. Perhaps these "liberal takers" could be targeted first, since they are the biggest.

[bunnies]

2. Failure to consider a budget?

Oopsie! Thats republicans.

GOP blocks Reid from creating conference committee on budget
By Erik Wasson - 04/23/13 10:30 AM ET

Senate Republicans on Tuesday prevented Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) from setting up a budget conference.

Reid sought the Senate's unanimous consent to form a budget conference committee aimed at reconciling the wildly different House and Senate budget resolutions, but Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) objected.

Toomey said he was objecting on behalf of Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee who had a conflict and could not be present.

“It seems House Republicans don’t want to be seen even discussing the possibility of compromise with the Democrats for fear of a Tea Party revolt,” Reid said.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/295477-reid-to-seek-consent-to-convene-budget-

AND

Republicans Spent Year Blocking Budget Conference (VIDEO)

WASHINGTON -- House Republicans decided Monday that government shutdown or not, it was more important for them to keep trying to strike a blow against Obamacare. Having failed to convince Senate Democrats to go along, the Republicans resorted to seeking a "conference committee" to resolve the differences.

For Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), chair of the Senate Budget Committee, the move is ironic. She has been trying for more than a half-year to go to a conference to work out dramatic differences between the Senate budget and the House version. Senate and House Republicans have objected, repeatedly.

But with the clock expiring at midnight Monday, and federal officials starting to shut down all non-essential government functions, the House resorted to seeking a conference committee to pass a spending bill, or "continuing resolution" that runs only through mid-November or mid-December.

Senate Democrats called that negotiating at gunpoint.

more at link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/budget-conference-republicans_n_4020621.html

[LaydeeBug]

4. Oh bunnies. THANK YOU. Thank you soooooo very much. nt

[bunnies]

5. No problem LaydeeBug!

That should shut him right up.

[DetlefK]

3. Some prejudice in there...

It doesn't matter whether you languish your whole life in debt as long as you don't have to repay it. The US still has the debt from WWII. It was never balanced and nobody cares about balancing it: As long as the economy grows faster than the debt, everything's fine.
And who exactly will spend his entire life in poverty because he has to pay down his share of the national debt?
Who exactly is unable to found a family or start a business because of his share of the national debt?
Who exactly is unable to afford a car or a new TV or new clothes because of his share of the national debt?

And the gimme-philosophy? How about: "You are no Ayn-Randian Atlas who society owes a favor to. You profited from the toil and the tax-payments of others. Pay your share."

[sinkingfeeling]

6. If your uncle wasn't born prior to 1920, there was a per capita debt.

So what's new?





http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2005/12/picturing-national-debt-on-real.html#.UkrbSRgo75o

[Xyzse]

7. Not quite

The Liberal Philosophy has always been looking for ways of taking care of one another, beyond the devices of those who would try to take advantage of them. It is the idea of trying to protect fair play from those who would try to game the system.

I am sorry, but the idea of spending beyond our means(when the economy crashed and we were attacked) instead of cutting back and helping each other out and buckling down, do a limited engagement to actually concentrate on the attackers, they went and cut taxes, encouraging debt, borrowed to give a pay out to the rich and start up an occupation... That was started up by GWB.

That is projection right there, blaming the ones that are trying to fix things when they made the damn mess.
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So let's break down your quote:

"The Liberal Philosophy is imploding upon itself. A Philosophy of sharing, has been convoluted into a system of "gimme"."
-Who is asking and getting the most out of government? Isn't it the banks and the corporations as well as the 1%ers? They use the money that they get from the government to buy out their competition, and then move operations outside of the country to evade taxes. Yet, they are still the ones complaining the most and getting an outsized representation.
-They took out the Food Program out of the Farm bill which really just helps out the bigger farms out there, who have used that to leverage and take over the smaller farms.
-They then complain that poor people get refrigeration? I am sorry, how selfish could they get.((Yes, people at FOX cable news did that.))

"Since everyone is well aware that our deficit, which has been cut in half still results in the debt growing, this means that future generations, people not even born yet, owe money to the federal government at birth."
-The problem isn't this. The problem is priorities. The priority is to grow the damn economy and produce jobs. If people were actually working, and have the security to go out there and try, nothing is going to work. The reason the security net is important is so that people can pull themselves up from life's eventualities. The current system right now is basically just kicking someone while they are down. That is the current Tea Party/Conservative philosophy. "I got mine", while feeling entitled to every single thing.
-Guess what, Tea Partiers are just as much in debt as Liberals, they tend to use the same programs thinking themselves entitled to it, then conveniently forget that they used the same programs when other people are trying to do the same. They don't want to pay in to it. It basically just means that not only are they a "gimme" mindset, they are also douches that take things and are ungrateful about it. Such as Rick Perry that ingrate when he needed help in Texas. Like Paul Ryan who used government programs for his schooling and is trying to cut that for everyone else.

"Failure to consider a budget, shows the disdain of financial constraint in lieu of agenda."
-Yes, budgets are considered but they aren't even followed. It is mostly used as political theater right now. Just look, the quote is saying that the deficit is cut in half! Then still complains about it. Methinks he is stretching too much.
-Yes, we consider budgets, but they refuse to actually look at where the cuts should go. Nor do they consider ways to get more money. It is a two way streak. I am sorry, but they really have to tax those up top. That needs to circulate around the broader economy. That is money that right now is stuck creating monopolies.

"Today's Liberal has become a give it to me now philosophy, with little concern of who is left paying the debt."
-They have a lot of nerve. Who brought us to this mess to begin with?

This of course, results in millions and millions of Americans languishing their entire life in debt, unable taste any part of what we used to call the American Dream. To bring back this once wonderful philosophy of caring and sharing, put that Philosophy on a Budget.
-We are in a budget, our programs have been cut, while they expand it for those up top.
-I guess I can agree with this in a way. However, we can not bleed a turnip, so you go for where the funds are now stuck.
--Raise Tax on corporations and teh 1%.
--Bring back the Estate Tax
--Cut on the Defense budget

So, I guess your Uncle may have correctly posted something. However, it isn't the Liberal Philosophy. He is talking about the Capitalistic Philosophy. When you say it that way, I can pretty much agree.

We can not afford the Bush Tax cuts, and that should have expired a long time ago.
We can not afford to keep the Estate Tax taken out.
We can not afford to keep the funding levels for Defense Spending.
We can not afford to allow large corporations to not pay taxes.
We can not afford to allow multi-nationals to shelter their taxes.

See?

[rug]

8. Tell him your aunt is leaving him.

[cynatnite]

9. Didn't Raygun and bush explode our debt? n/t

[Demo_Chris]

10. He's your Uncle. Family...

I suggest you let him post any silly nonsense he likes without a public debate from you.

[LaydeeBug]

11. His son set him straight a little bit, and I am just getting my ducks in a row.

but I understand.

I really, really do.