Gun Nuts And Tea Party Nuts Are One And The Same.

[onehandle]

They are the same people. They both want to destroy Americans to support their fetish.

[gopiscrap]

1. Many in NRA are teabaggers

[Dawson Leery]

2. k/r

[lonestarnot]

3. NRA = Nuts Racists and Assholes.

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4. Are you saying DU and other Dem gun-owners are Tea Party Nuts?

If not, then please define "gun nut."

Thanks.

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. Pretty sure that's what he's saying. And I'm sure a cohort of his, one whose name implies he lives

in a tavern, would agree 100%.

Remember, their stated goal is to shame, ALA the way cigarette smokers were shamed... I tried to explain though that the only way they could shame gun owners (seeing as how they can't be distinguished in a crowd like someone with a cig between their fore and middle fingers) is to either follow them into the woods (or into the desert in my case) or stand at the entrance of the indoor range and make raspberries at them as they enter.

So I guess shaming them anonymously on message boards is the best they got.

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13. Rofl. That image cracks me up.

I hope onehandle doesn't mean all DU gun owners, and Dem gun owners, and other legal gun owners, are all gun nuts simply because they own guns. But I haven't seen any response, so you may be right.

Still, with all the discussion of guns, I've never had anyone define "gun nut," and I've asked several times.

Couple of angry giving raspberries to people going into a gun range. Lol. I can see it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. How many other ways are there to shame gun owners into changing their behavior?

Just don't get any on me... cuz then I'm handing the gun case to my Wife, sending her inside, and we're wrestling.

[X_Digger]

16. He's hitching his little red wagon to all the tea-party hate tonight.

Kind of transparent, IMHO.

[Capt.Rocky300]

5. Yes they are.....

Today I was behind an older beat up pickup that had an NRA sticker, a yellow "Don't Tread on Me" with the snake sticker, one of those window decals that looks like Dennis the Menace peeing on something, in this case it was "Gun Control". And, to top it off was an impeach Obama sticker as well as a retired Navy decal.

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. Come on...

There wasn't one more cliché you could toss in there? I mean really? Beat up pickup? NRA? Gadsden Flag? Piss on gun control? Impeach Obama? Retired Navy? Surely you could have come up with something more had you really tried. Confederate Flag fronting a rifle rack maybe? You didn't try hard enough...

We have a saying when a low-count poster posts something like what you just did... it goes like this:

Cool Story Bro!

[durablend]

30. You saying he's trolling?

There's plenty of 'those folks' around here with two or more of those 'attributes' (though 'beat up truck' has an equal chance of being 'beat up SUV').

[Capt.Rocky300]

32. Nope, that was all they had. Sorry I couldn't take a picture for you.....

I was busy driving in a heavy downpour and giving the two ladies inside the truck a dirty look as I passed. I did exaggerate about one thing. It wasn't a full size pickup, it was a Ford Ranger. As for my low post count, I guess you were never at a point with a low number of posts? So, lots of posts equal honesty and integrity and low posts means troll? Do I understand you correctly? I just thought it meant I don't post much.

[hack89]

23. Because we know all ex-military are tea-baggers? nt

[Capt.Rocky300]

33. Nope. But the owner of that truck obviously is..........

My older brother, deceased now due to cancer, spent 25 years as a Naval Officer and was certainly no teabagger. In fact, he hated Republicans and told me that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were the two most dangerous men on the planet shortly after they took their offices. He would have been angered by a fellow Navy veteran putting that other trash on his vehicle.

[4bucksagallon]

6. I'd like a description of a "gun nut". I own guns to protect myself and my family.

Is that considered a "gun nut"? I quit the NRA many many years ago when they were hijacked by the RWer's, so I don't see the correlation. Oh, and I don't have a fetish with my guns but I do have an understanding and more than a working knowledge of them, that hopefully will keep our family safe, and I don't want to destroy America. Ball is in your court for clarification.

[Hoyt]

7. Do you carry in public, have several "assault" style rifles, hicap mags, lots of ammo,

thought Zman should have shot unarmed teen, promote more gunz in more places, think violent crime is rampant, who do you consider threats, etc. Those offer clues.

[onehandle]

8. People who vote for gun extremism over their families' interests.

If you would rather have a 30 round clip or no expanded background checks over Obamacare, you are a nut.

[Hoyt]

9. I like that definition.

[roamer65]

12. There are many responsible gun owners who agree with...

...very stringent background checks, assault weapon bans and limits on magazine capacity. Such as I.

Be careful not to lump us into the "gun nut" category, folks.

[Lizzie Poppet]

19. I strongly support universal background checks...

...as well as mandating secure firearms storage. I support more-stringent competency testing for CCW permits, greater access for the NICS system to police and mental healthcare records., and permanent denial of the right to possess firearms to anyone convicted of a violent crime. And more...

Gun nut? Maybe...I'm an avid target shooter, carry a handgun for protection, and consider the RKBA to be an individual right. But I also support the above (and other) sensible regulations.

[4bucksagallon]

18. Good then I don't fit your description........

I have no problem with background checks, assault weapons bans or hi-cap magazines bans, you should have put that in your original post. I do have a problem with people that think we should not be able to defend ourselves. I am not living in America right now and it is a matter of life and death here for someone without a means to defend themselves. I could give you examples but since I don't fit your description there is no need.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. Safe from what?

Do you live in a war zone? A high crime area?

Just askin'

[4bucksagallon]

21. Actually I do live in a undeclared war zone. There are many attacks and kidnappings especially of...

foreigners. We have more groups of terrorists here than you have fingers on both hands. They range from the communists, the NPA, to Al Qaeda, and everything in between. Some would not choose to live here and I can understand that but it is my families choice, just like choosing to defend ourselves when, not if, the attacks occur. We just had an attack on a military road checkpoint less than 200 meters from here by the NPA. That was less than a month ago. It closed the main highway and lasted for over 4 hours, from about 8pm until after midnight. Here most people hire their own private security guards but I like to be able to defend myself and my family.

[Stinky The Clown]

22. where is "here"?

[hack89]

24. I would guess the Philippines

The New People's Army (NPA) (Filipino: Bagong Hukbong Bayan) is the armed wing of the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP). It was formed on March 29, 1969. The Maoist NPA conducts its armed guerrilla struggle based on the strategical line of protracted 'people's war'.

[4bucksagallon]

26. Almost typhoon free and damn near Republican free Mindanao......

Republicans won't live here because it's too dangerous. They are cowards you know......... LOL! Hack below you got it right. The NPA is our commie group here the rest are Muslim extremists. But as you can see I have reason to have a weapon handy.

[REP]

49. Holy crap!

You live in an area that's home to some of my favorite orchids, but that's a lot to deal with to see them growing huge and wild.

[Electric Monk]

17. If you think the solution to America's problem with gun violence is more guns, you just might be

a gun nut.

(in my best Jeff Foxworthy voice...)

[otohara]

20. How Many Guns Does It Take

to protect yourself and your family?
What kind of guns does one man need to protect family/self?

I would think one gun would be sufficient. So many gun folks are hoarders of guns and ammunition and that to me seems nutty.

[hack89]

25. What if you don't own guns for protection?

but rather for recreational and target shooting. I have a safe full of guns because my entire family shoots.

[otohara]

34. McNuttery

I have no idea what recreational shooting means - is that like recreational drug use?

The fact that your entire family shoots tells me you are the one who made that choice for them. Maybe they'd like recreational drug use too!

I wouldn't want my kids at your home.

[hack89]

35. That's nice. nt

[EX500rider]

37. Why would target shooting be like drug use?

And how exactly do you know who made choices to do what in a family you've never met?

[otohara]

40. Is Target Shooting Recreational?

He said "recreational use" and "target practice" I haven't a fucking clue what recreational means when it comes to guns.

I have seen areas in the mountains where there are piles of bullet riddled beer cans, old cans of beans, broken bottles, ...STOP signs riddled with bullet holes in rural areas. Is this considered gun recreational use?

I do understand the gun culture more now than ever - when I see hoards of men run out and buying more guns after the Aurora/Sandy Hook shootings, I cringe and stay home knowing there's so many men out there with guns.

[EX500rider]

41. "Is Target Shooting Recreational?"

Gosh no.......everybody gets paid secretly by the NRA when they go to the range! lol

"I have seen areas in the mountains where there are piles of bullet riddled beer cans, old cans of beans, broken bottles, ...STOP signs riddled with bullet holes in rural areas. Is this considered gun recreational use?"

Probably by the rednecks who did it, yes.

"I cringe and stay home knowing there's so many men out there with guns."

Matters not how many people have guns.....matters much how many people are shot with them.....and you have never been safer from gun violence since the early 1960's since the trend has been steadily down. You're allot more likely to die in a car crash then be shot by another person. Do you cringe and stay home when hoards of men run out and buy cars too?

[otohara]

43. Spare Me The NRA Talking Points

I can't shake the image of my neighbors 9 year old being shot in the head by his father. A successful man and until he was in his 60's was a so-called responsible gun owner. He didn't run the boy over with his SUV and then drive off a cliff, no he chose to blow his brains out and then turned the gun on himself.

Everything criminal is so much easier, quicker, precise when a gun is nearby.

I have insurance and have been in 3 auto accidents ...but due to improved safety devices I have escaped serious injury. I know there's always a chance I might get in a car accident, I don't expect to go to a movie and be shot with an AR15 or what ever the next mass shooter will use.

[EX500rider]

48. "Spare Me The NRA Talking Points"

Which seems to be short hand for I got nothing so I'll rope in the NRA and point to the boogyman......

And the fact that gun violence has been dropping steadily is just that, a fact, not a talking point. Just not one anti-2nd people want to hear or can refute.

[EX500rider]

50. "I might get in a car accident, I don't expect to go to a movie and be shot"

And just what do you thinks the odds are for either of those events?

Death by car: 1 in 84

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/how-scared-should-we-be/?_r=0

Lets see, mass shooting in a movie theater.....happened once i think.......ever......and 12 people died out of a population of 313,000,000......so the odds of that happening to you at the most would be 1 in 26 million I believe.

Seems you may worry about the wrong things from my point of view.

[oneshooter]

45. A few forms of recreational shooting

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cowboy%20action%20shooting&oq=cowboy%20a&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0l10.120465.129772.2.134206.8.8.0.0.0.0.1564.4583.2j1j0j2j6-1j1j1.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.Chi2OsxTBUs

[EX500rider]

36. How exactly can you tell "hoarding" from collecting? n/t

[coldmountain]

27. RBKA extremism is like pornography, you know it when you see it

Like porn, it's also at it's most ugly when it involves children

[badtoworse]

28. What a crock.

[coldmountain]

31. Want to bet everyone of these drunken congresscrooks holding the government hostage is NRA?

The lowest most sordid events in American history always have guns involved in some way.

[EX500rider]

38. And some of the greatest moments involved guns..

....like throwing out the British, freeing the slaves, opening up German concentration camps....etc

[coldmountain]

46. The slaves would have been free sooner if the British won

Just saying

[EX500rider]

47. Maybe...

......or maybe the southern states would have told them to piss up a rope like they did to the Federal US govt.

[coldmountain]

51. Maybe the Brits would have let the slaves exterminate the Scots-Irish they detested anyway

[Kaleva]

39. The Dem candidate for Congress in the last election is a lifetime member of the NRA

Gary McDowell narrowly lost to incumbent Republican Dan Benishek in the 2012 election.

[malaise]

29. and they are all ReTHUG nuts

[Union Scribe]

42. Don't forget Apple extremists.

A chilling trifecta.

[aikoaiko]

44. bwahaha

[krispos42]

52. I doubt it.

"Gun nuttery", as you call it, will not destroy America.

Every day, the trickle of people that are murdered with guns, or that kill themselves with guns, is but a small slice of the number of people that die every day.

Equal or greater numbers are killed with vehicles. Far greater numbers are killed by medical errors, cancer, diabetes, MRSA, pneumonia, pollution, etc.


And these numbers used to be much higher. For 30 years, the homicide rate (including the gun homicide rate) was higher than today; up to twice as high, as was vehicular deaths.

The economy and the culture and the society can and does deal quite well with death; it has been a part of humanity for far longer than civilization. It adapts.


The Tea Party, however, has direct influence over laws passed and the political process. Open-carry, 11-plus capacity magazines, and protruding pistol grips will not, can not, deny budget-bill passage. Stand-your-ground laws and AR-15s and AK-47s cannot and will not prevent the debt ceiling from being raised, and the resultant economic collapse.




But, like I've said before, the relentless pursuit of ineffective but cultural-war gun laws will prevent us from furthering a progressive agenda with a progressive congress.

Your side's war on the AR-15, for example, earn the long-term and deep-seated animosity of gun owners, who have shown themselves to be people that strongly feel the need to be politically organized and politically active in order to protect their ability to own guns.

But people that do not own AR-15s and never will, will not organize to anywhere near the level that gun-owners will. Not being interested in guns and not owning guns, they will not be politically energized at attempts to make illegal what they don't own and are not going to own.


Social and economic policy are a bit on the esoteric side and on the academic side. The Tea Party is full of idiots that are angry at having to live with the consequences of them voting for Republican for 30 years. Their status is economic stagnation or economic loss as a direct result of their putting corporatist, union-busting, globalization Republicans in office. But they don't understand that, so they have a lot of anger with no target.

Until your side decides to wage war on things like protruding pistol grips and magazine capacities, things that reach into their homes and directly affect things they own. You might as well tried to ban pick-up trucks by calling them "assault weapons".